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lisaly 11-29-2016 12:01 AM
Here is a link to the book Gail recommended. It's an ebook that can be downloaded to your computer.

http://www.caninesports.com/store/p1...tine_Zink.html

Links to other books and dvds from her website:
http://www.caninesports.com/store/c1..._Products.html

gemy 11-29-2016 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by lisaly (Post 4677601)
That must have been fascinating going to one of Dr. Zink's workshops. Her credentials are amazing.

All of my Yorkies in the past had dew claws removed. Kate has her front dew claws, and I wondered why when her tail had been docked. Dr, Zink's article gives a good explanation why it's best to leave dew claws intact.

http://www.caninesports.com/uploads/...xplanation.pdf

Oh it was Lisa. I had pre booked private assessment of Magic. And Ilona taped it all. I can't share that video as I promised I wouldn't.

She is an amazing teacher I barely got through the physical aspects although my dog sailed through it.

magicgenie 11-29-2016 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 4677588)
I no longer remove dewclaws on my puppies (although would remove rear dew claws if any puppies ever have any). I bought two dogs from Canada who still had their dewclaws and after having them, saw no reason to remove them any longer. Removing dewclaws caused bleeding and screaming puppies whereas docking tails is bloodless and quick. My 5 1/2 month old puppy with dew claws really uses her paws to grip things and uses her dewclaws to help hold onto toys and chews.

So far as tails, I'll continue to dock tails as long as I'm allowed to as I believe it is a much more balanced look. While i have gotten used to the look of an undocked tail, I very much prefer a docked tail and always will.
yes, and we've paved paradise and put up a parking lot.
Good luck with that.

gemy 11-29-2016 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 4677690)
yes, and we've paved paradise and put up a parking lot.
Good luck with that.
I am truly not sure what you meant by this. It seems derogatory, we were having nice discussion as you said earlier.

Public sentiment always changes and as breeders we should at least try to sway or weigh in on this.

Lilah Charm 11-29-2016 08:36 PM
I am excited to read up! Yes, AKC standard is still definitely a docked tail, does it not say dewclaws too? You have to do it between theee and five day's because they don't have appropriate blood clotting prior to 72 hours and post five days the blood vessel attachment is forming that connects the dew claw to the foot.

MyFairLacy 11-29-2016 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Lilah Charm (Post 4677719)
I am excited to read up! Yes, AKC standard is still definitely a docked tail, does it not say dewclaws too? You have to do it between theee and five day's because they don't have appropriate blood clotting prior to 72 hours and post five days the blood vessel attachment is forming that connects the dew claw to the foot.
The YTCA standard says "Dew claws, if any, are generally removed from the hind legs. Dew claws on the forelegs may be removed." So it's optional according to standard but judges don't check for dew claws.

I always dock tails at 4-5 days old and that was when I removed dew claws as well before I stopped.

Lilah Charm 11-30-2016 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 4677734)
The YTCA standard says "Dew claws, if any, are generally removed from the hind legs. Dew claws on the forelegs may be removed." So it's optional according to standard but judges don't check for dew claws.

I always dock tails at 4-5 days old and that was when I removed dew claws as well before I stopped.
Thank you for that clarification! :) I feel like I should have that standard painted on my wall, lol. I wonder how common it is that folks leave them on then? I noticed Gail said tha her boy has his tail docked to a 'medium length' and admittedly the length of the docking was one that hadn't occurred to me previously either! We have a Yorkshire terrier specialty I am really aiming to go to next week around here- I will keep my eyes peeled to compare :longyorkie:

Lovetodream88 11-30-2016 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Lilah Charm (Post 4677736)
Thank you for that clarification! :) I feel like I should have that standard painted on my wall, lol. I wonder how common it is that folks leave them on then? I noticed Gail said tha her boy has his tail docked to a 'medium length' and admittedly the length of the docking was one that hadn't occurred to me previously either! We have a Yorkshire terrier specialty I am really aiming to go to next week around here- I will keep my eyes peeled to compare :longyorkie:
I wonder if the standard says how long the dock must be? Sammy who was a rescue had a very short nubby and Callie's is longer then he's was but definitely not a full tail.

lisaly 11-30-2016 09:21 AM
I personally believe in breeder's choice. I love the look of a tail docked to medium length, but I've had Yorkies from the time I was in my late teens. Despite that, if I personally was given a choice, I don't think I could ask for a docked tail, since I can't dismiss the issue of pain for these poor babies. Dew claw removal must be very painful. Katie has her front dewclaws :) I've read both sides of the argument about the degree of pain they feel having their tails docked.

Here is the stance on tail docking by the AMVA.


Dr. Jean Dodds' Pet Health Resource Blog | Tail Docking Dogs ? A Controversial Topic

https://www.avma.org/KB/Resources/FA...l-docking.aspx

Kat549 11-30-2016 10:08 AM
I am getting a second Yorkie in a few weeks and I specifically asked the breeder not to dock the tail ! I like tails !

Lilah Charm 11-30-2016 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4677808)
I wonder if the standard says how long the dock must be? Sammy who was a rescue had a very short nubby and Callie's is longer then he's was but definitely not a full tail.
That is just what I was wondering, I felt like I had been working to hold the breed standard in my mind but then didn't even remember that it stated front dewclaws were allowed to remain intact. Truly, I need to paint it on my wall above the yorkie castle! Lol. I feel like Lilah's tail is docked quite short. So short in fact that I feel like the aesthetic balance between her perky ears is a bit off. Though I will note that her tail hair has never grown very fantastically (a short docking recourse perhaps?) like dblains Lola- my goodness she has lovely tail hair! Even when Lilah is sporting a long coat her tail hair growth seems quite stunted.

Does anyone here dock their own tails? How do you determine the docking length? Is there a docked tail length determined by ytca or akc?

MyFairLacy 11-30-2016 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4677808)
I wonder if the standard says how long the dock must be? Sammy who was a rescue had a very short nubby and Callie's is longer then he's was but definitely not a full tail.
Yes the standard says docked to medium length. It should no be docked really short. A lot of pet breeders dock too short

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Originally Posted by Lilah Charm (Post 4677833)
That is just what I was wondering, I felt like I had been working to hold the breed standard in my mind but then didn't even remember that it stated front dewclaws were allowed to remain intact. Truly, I need to paint it on my wall above the yorkie castle! Lol. I feel like Lilah's tail is docked quite short. So short in fact that I feel like the aesthetic balance between her perky ears is a bit off. Though I will note that her tail hair has never grown very fantastically (a short docking recourse perhaps?) like dblains Lola- my goodness she has lovely tail hair! Even when Lilah is sporting a long coat her tail hair growth seems quite stunted.

Does anyone here dock their own tails? How do you determine the docking length? Is there a docked tail length determined by ytca or akc?
I dock my own. I measure about 1/3in past where the tan turns into black under the tail and dock there. Anything shorter than 1/4in past the tan will probably be too short. My 5 month puppy I docked closer to 1/2in past the tan and it's slightly longer than I'd prefer so I'll stick to 1/3in in the future.

Lilah Charm 11-30-2016 12:13 PM
I dock my own. I measure about 1/3in past where the tan turns into black under the tail and dock there. Anything shorter than 1/4in past the tan will probably be too short. My 5 month puppy I docked closer to 1/2in past the tan and it's slightly longer than I'd prefer so I'll stick to 1/3in in the future.[/QUOTE]

Thank you! Lilah's is just barely past the black really. She was intended for show and her papa was finished but I think her breeder was still pretty new to the show circuit and was already kind of 'over it' with her experience in show unfortunately.

Britster 12-02-2016 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4677606)
If you have any more links or any more infor on agility or starting agility I would love for you to pm them to me. He is still just 9 months and I heard I shouldn't start agility until a year so we are working on obedience and regular puppy stuff. He knows stay, sit, roll over, beg, lay and come. He's a fast learner.
You can start -- you just wouldn't do any big jumping etc. But you can certainly start teaching foundations. :)

It's sooo much fun. I miss doing it with Jax.

MisfitMonroe 01-16-2017 08:06 PM
I purchased my first Yorkie a couple of weeks ago. Bentley is a Parti and the breeder said her dogs did not have docked tails so she did not dock the puppies. Honestly, I was glad. My husband was concerned as he thought they needed to be for health reasons or something. Bentley has a cute tail, its all black but the tip is white. I suppose if he his tailed would have been docked the white portion would be gone.


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