Thank you so much for SHOWING my initial request, which VERY clearly stated I was looking for a dog that did NOT lift his leg to pee!

Which is EXACTLY why I would suggest you go to Build A Bear next time. It is why, in the beginning, I said you should stick with a stuffed animal in the future.

I pasted this to show that you did NOT say INDOORS which you keep insisting. Yes, you said housebroken, but you didn't say "does not hike INDOORS" which you keep insisting you said. I am going to say this ONE MORE TIME: there is a HUGE difference between hiking to pee and hiking to mark. A dog CAN hike on a pee pad. AND males and females HIKE ... it is seen more in males, but can be in females.

I never said you didn't say the above....and I don't know what possessed Dee to post on that thread but she did. Furthermore, we don't know what transpired after that between you and Dee.

I made an observation about this and didn't say anything nasty although you came back with your typical nasty self that I have seen before...many here on this thread have not seen that action. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

First of all, I do not KEEP insisting that I said I only wanted a dog not to hike his leg indoors, I only made mention of it ONCE. But you sure love to exaggerate. lol

And secondly, funny, you keep INSISTING that I said I did not want a dog that lifted his leg to pee OUTDOORS. No where did I say that. You are concocting stories again. Seems to be a favorite pastime of yours, always getting involved in OTHER people's business.

You said, and I quote: "Or one that is older but does NOT lift his leg to pee."

Do you think there is a difference? Dogs either lift their legs indoors or outdoors? They choose? LOL OK...whatever you say.

If you don't want others' comments and observations, I would suggest you not post on PUBLIC forums. You strike me as a very nasty person based upon your nasty remarks in the past and then this present thread. IF I can save a pup from this kind of NONSENSE I will. I didn't say anything nasty...I made observations that I stand by. I believe, as the breeder said, you have unrealistic expectations and quite frankly, you strike me as a very selfish person. So...there you have it...MY thoughts about you. My pastime? LOL you might say I have a barn full of animals I love and place in LOVING homes that will accept them for who they are...

No one should ever buy or adopt a pup if they are not ready to accept typical dog behaviors and help the pup learn what is expected of them...with LOVE and PATIENCE.

I know that if you took a survey, almost everyone on this forum would say that YOU are the VERY nasty one. Everyone knows ladyjane by her viciousness. You LOVE to trash people over and over and over. I feel so very sorry for you. I hope some day some happiness will come into your life so that you don't have to belittle and trash people all the time. Best wishes to you, ladyjane.

LOL how about you start that vote dear? :p :D

You feel sorry for me .. just like you did that poor little Einstein. Just like you did for an obviously mentally ill person. You can fool some people in life......

I can live with myself and my choices....and I won't leave this forum to suit you...nor will I rubber stamp the wrong things done to animals.

I will pray that happiness comes into your life, ladyjane, dear. No one should be as unhappy and miserable as you, it is just so sad.

I would thank you for the prayers if I really thought you were sincere but to say you will pray while making a snide comment in the same sentence is so insincere. You continue to show who you really are.

I would thank you for the prayers if I really thought you were sincere but to say you will pray while making a snide comment in the same paragraph is so insincere. You continue to show who you really are.

I will continue to pray for you ladyjane, no matter what you say. :-)

I'll be the first to kick off that survey. I've read this entire thread. Some of it has been entertaining, such as the comments about barns, etc., but most of it has been jaw dropping. I can't imagine giving a pup up because he lifts his leg, but to each his own. I have the sweetest male imaginable that "squats" most of the time, but even he lifts his leg occasionally. He was neutered very, very early, but it's natural for males to lift their legs...that is how they were made! I, too, have a tiny, tiny female that also "marks"! Unfortunately, we can't control nature.

But, back to the survey...I for one, find Ladyjane to be one of the most knowledgeable, helpful and caring members on this forum. She has helped hundreds of people and countless numbers of pups. She will not candy coat and will absolutely hold one accountable. I did not see where she was vicious or trashed anyone in this thread. I only saw where she was both insulted and attacked. Oh wait, I forgot where she so VICIOUSLY offered to take Einstein and provide him with an unconditional loving, caring home where no one would care if he squats or lifts his leg...what an awful, terrible person! Maybe the OP should take a look in the mirror.

I just looked in the mirror and I like what I see.
Wishing you all the very best and I hope you are having great day. :-)

Little more info about leg lifting: some males like my Max will leg lift very early on. Max was 13 weeks. He always did it on the pad, but I had to make sure the pad was not right next to any vertical surface like a wall.

Max still lifts a foot off the floor when he pees on the pad, but he doesn't lift high as when he outside marking.

Teddy learned to lift his leg at about 10 months watching his brother. He only does it outdoors.

Neutering can prevent marking indoors, if the dog is basically potty trained. But it will not prevent leg lifting and marking in general. That requires more training. Admittedly, I encouraged the marking outdoors with praise because I was trying to reinforce that outdoors was okay.

It is possible to discourage all leg lifting, but it requires training. Show dogs are discouraged from leg lifting to protect their coats.

As Linda pointed out, even girls can pick up this behavior. Our female Airedale lifted her leg outdoors to mark.

Let's take a breath here and consider whether or not this should be below you...? I'm assuming it would be below you, but that you're letting some very base emotions get the best of you.

Please, can we not stoop to this level? Isn't this the exact kind of behavior you'll feel utterly terrible and embarrassed about later...? I know that when I've behaved poorly, I truly feel such remorse and I'm humiliated that I let my emotions in the driver's seat.

I agree with lolasmom re LadyJane. She has helped people on this board with her time and advise. I've been the target of her opinion re something I said but I did not take it personally and appreciate all that she does to help people and their pups. She has never said to me, "Who peed in you Wheaties this morning?" as Sharon said to me in another thread. Please Sharon, do not get a boy - they like to pee! It's their nature.