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Wylie's Mom 04-30-2015 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4555232)
Lol ok should I share what one person wrote and deleted on a thread where Jodi was just just posting an article and got bashed? Yep I judge you might be surprised to find out everyone does it especially those who say they don't. I stand by what I said it is seriously crazy to say I do is scared of thunderstorms because of the rabies shot just like those people saying a dog is scared of thunderstorms because they were spayed to early. There are people who will actually believe that stuff and it's just wrong.
And now you're going to just point fingers at everyone else, instead of looking at your own behavior??? THAT is what you're getting from all of this? Wow.

If that's where you're going to go with this, then please just stay off of this thread entirely.

A bigger person would've have apologized about 10 posts back, for petes sake, Taylor.

Lovetodream88 04-30-2015 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4555196)
No, Taylor's comment was rude, period.

It's NOT cool or acceptable here at YT to just say stuff like "yeah that article you posted is just a bunch of crap" -- there is simply no reason to treat people in this manner. If anyone thinks that's fine here at YT, then this is NOT the right forum for you to participate in and you need to go elsewhere.

For someone claiming to have her feelings constantly hurt here at YT, Taylor is seemingly oblivious lately as to how she affects other human being's feelings here, and not just in this thread here.

People, seriously, if you cannot treat people decently at this forum and/or just even recognize and acknowledge when something is rude -- then you maybe do not belong on this forum.

Members here at YT are WELCOME to post these kinds of articles and if anyone does not like it and feels the need to be derogatory about it, you simply need to refrain from posting, end of story.

For petes sake, we're ONLY asking that people be DECENT to other people here. If that's not doable, then leave.
Ok I'm sorry my Grandfather is dying and I didn't take the time to sugar coat it or word it the way other people do and get away with calling others names and opinions crud. I will never understand why a microscope is always on me but when other people do it it's ignored. My opinion was about the article not the poster. Things without science that effect dogs and could hurt them makes me extremely upset.

Lovetodream88 04-30-2015 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4555239)
And now you're going to just point fingers at everyone else, instead of looking at your own behavior??? THAT is what you're getting from all of this? Wow.

If that's where you're going to go with this, then please just stay off of this thread entirely.

A bigger person would've have apologized about 10 posts back, for petes sake, Taylor.
Ann I did not attack the poster just the article. I tried apologizing to someone else who later on called me a bully. An apology is just words it's actions that mean something. I will try harder not word stuff like that in the future

Wylie's Mom 04-30-2015 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4555243)
Ok I'm sorry my Grandfather is dying and I didn't take the time to sugar coat it or word it the way other people do and get away with calling others names and opinions crud. I will never understand why a microscope is always on me but when other people do it it's ignored. My opinion was about the article not the poster. Things without science that effect dogs and could hurt them makes me extremely upset.
Again, stop with the pointing to others here - this isn't about others and how they behave here.

You are not the only person to whom BIG life things are happening...we are all human beings here with sick family members, people dying, sick pets, financial issues, child care issues, job issues - whatever it is. I'm sorry about your grandfather, but that is not an excuse to make it okay to treat others poorly. No, not here. If you want to behave like that in your real life, fine, do it -- but not here. Enough is enough. I understand death and life - my Mom died when I was 21 - I didn't use that as an excuse to treat others in any sort of way. If you cannot handle being here right now and being decent toward others, then please take a break from YT.

ColesMommy01 04-30-2015 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4555243)
Ok I'm sorry my Grandfather is dying and I didn't take the time to sugar coat it or word it the way other people do and get away with calling others names and opinions crud. I will never understand why a microscope is always on me but when other people do it it's ignored. My opinion was about the article not the poster. Things without science that effect dogs and could hurt them makes me extremely upset.
It's terrible your grandfather is dying, but no one is looking for you to sugarcoat anything. People go through situations like that daily and still remain respectful towards others. My husband was in a war zone and I'm an insulin dependent diabetic, but just because my sugar levels are off or I'm worried to death about my husband doesn't give me the right to be rude/disrespectful to others. A microscope is not on you, believe it that when another member is out of line they're called on it. You may be called on it more and if that's so I advise you to look at the reason why.

Wylie's Mom 04-30-2015 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4555246)
Ann I did not attack the poster just the article. I tried apologizing to someone else who later on called me a bully. An apology is just words it's actions that mean something. I will try harder not word stuff like that in the future
Did I say you attacked the poster, ever? No, I did not.

So what if you once apologized to someone and they didn't accept it the way you wanted? Is the apology for YOU or for them?? My goodness, I would sure hope it's for them, end of story. You don't stop apologizing to folks bc you don't like how they receive it! You apologize bc you're sorry.

Yes, ACTIONS mean something -- so we're asking that you please act in a better manner toward others.

You're not a victim in this situation, Taylor. You've been part of the problem here - so please, now, just be part of the solution instead as you go forward.

Please, let this just be the end of it. Enough has been said and it needed to be said.

maxdog 04-30-2015 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4555256)
Did I say you attacked the poster, ever? No, I did not.

So what if you once apologized to someone and they didn't accept it the way you wanted? Is the apology for YOU or for them?? My goodness, I would sure hope it's for them, end of story. You don't stop apologizing to folks bc you don't like how they receive it! You apologize bc you're sorry.

Yes, ACTIONS mean something -- so we're asking that you please act in a better manner toward others.

You're not a victim in this situation, Taylor. You've been part of the problem here - so please, now, just be part of the solution instead as you go forward.

Please, let this just be the end of it. Enough has been said and it needed to be said.
I agree. Can we close this thread now?

Lovetodream88 04-30-2015 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ColesMommy01 (Post 4555255)
It's terrible your grandfather is dying, but no one is looking for you to sugarcoat anything. People go through situations like that daily and still remain respectful towards others. My husband was in a war zone and I'm an insulin dependent diabetic, but just because my sugar levels are off or I'm worried to death about my husband doesn't give me the right to be rude/disrespectful to others. A microscope is not on you, believe it that when another member is out of line they're called on it. You may be called on it more and if that's so I advise you to look at the reason why.
I'm probably going to get banned for replying but I do feel it's important to defend myself. It is not simply my grandfather is dying. You have also not been here to see some of the stuff like with one members and it is a fact people can skate the rules to call people names and everything else but I'm not good at that period so it comes out as just straight attacks. It is part of my disability that I just say things straight out like that and it's one of the reasons I want to get a formal diagnoses of functioning Autism/Aspergers and then hopefully get the right names of therapy to go to. Obviously this is not the thread for it but I don't mind talking about it and would be happy to really explain it better to anyone who asks.

107barney 04-30-2015 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4555260)
I'm probably going to get banned for replying but I do feel it's important to defend myself. It is not simply my grandfather is dying. You have also not been here to see some of the stuff like with one members and it is a fact people can skate the rules to call people names and everything else but I'm not good at that period so it comes out as just straight attacks. It is part of my disability that I just say things straight out like that and it's one of the reasons I want to get a formal diagnoses of functioning Autism/Aspergers and then hopefully get the right names of therapy to go to. Obviously this is not the thread for it but I don't mind talking about it and would be happy to really explain it better to anyone who asks.


Taylor, one of the hardest things for people on the spectrum is to know what social behaviors are appropriate and how they are received by others. I think Ann is wanting you to "get" something you can't get. I hope we all can learn more tolerance for one another, every one of us!

AllDogBoots 04-30-2015 11:12 AM
I think there's a difference between "getting it" and "owning your actions". If Taylor can start a thought by saying I'm probably going to get banned for replying but I do feel it's important to defend myself then she's also capable of thinking I'm probably going to upset the OP by replying but I feel it's important to state my opinion. Perhaps someone who has an undiagnosed, but self assumed possible mental illness should slow themselves down a little in the thought/action process.

If a thread was created that was inviting people to read an article about how delicious dogs taste (an outrageous example) I would probably think to myself "that OP is crazy" and not involved myself and click the next thread. Why is the involvement so necessary to those who don't agree with the original post or the article the person posted?

107barney 04-30-2015 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 4555293)
I think there's a difference between "getting it" and "owning your actions". If Taylor can start a thought by saying I'm probably going to get banned for replying but I do feel it's important to defend myself then she's also capable of thinking I'm probably going to upset the OP by replying but I feel it's important to state my opinion. Perhaps someone who has an undiagnosed, but self assumed possible mental illness should slow themselves down a little in the thought/action process.

If a thread was created that was inviting people to read an article about how delicious dogs taste (an outrageous example) I would probably think to myself "that OP is crazy" and not involved myself and click the next thread. Why is the involvement so necessary to those who don't agree with the original post or the article the person posted?
Isn't being involved in threads what keeps the forum going?

AllDogBoots 04-30-2015 11:20 AM
I'd personally prefer shorter more positive threads but that's just me. Some of the threads posting articles probably don't even need responses at all.

Lovetodream88 04-30-2015 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 4555293)
I think there's a difference between "getting it" and "owning your actions". If Taylor can start a thought by saying I'm probably going to get banned for replying but I do feel it's important to defend myself then she's also capable of thinking I'm probably going to upset the OP by replying but I feel it's important to state my opinion. Perhaps someone who has an undiagnosed, but self assumed possible mental illness should slow themselves down a little in the thought/action process.

If a thread was created that was inviting people to read an article about how delicious dogs taste (an outrageous example) I would probably think to myself "that OP is crazy" and not involved myself and click the next thread. Why is the involvement so necessary to those who don't agree with the original post or the article the person posted?
I thought I might get banned because I continued to post on this thread not any other reason. It's not undiagnosed per say and has been talked about with my doctors I just haven't gone to the right doctor to formally diagnose it but my doctors suspect it as well as my aunt who has a doctorate in childhood development. But I have other issues that have been 100% diagnosed and I am considered by the government to be disabled. I have heard from lots of people that normally you do not get accepted and considered disabled the first time and even with my uncle who was in a wheel chair had lost both legs and most of the fingers on one hand it took him getting a lawyer to prove his disability even further for them to accept it. They excepted mine on the first time. I get where I should have said it differently but that's just how it comes out and that's how most things just come out. It was not making judgements on the poster nor was it to attack the poster just the article that seemed seriously off to me.

Lovetodream88 04-30-2015 11:34 AM
Maybe this will help explain it better Autism-Symptoms

AllDogBoots 04-30-2015 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4555022)
I couldn't even finish reading it it's a bunch of blah. Yeah my dog is scared of thunderstorms because she got the rabies vaccine :rolleyes:
Or you could have said "thanks for posting but that article seems way off to me".

Perhaps I'm in my fantasy land.

Lovetodream88 04-30-2015 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4555311)
Maybe this will help explain it better Autism-Symptoms
This also What is Asperger's Syndrome? Symptoms, tests, Causes, Treatments

AllDogBoots 04-30-2015 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4555317)
I appreciate the link however I don't need to research it. If this is something you have you may want to consider working on cause and effect behaviors.

Lovetodream88 04-30-2015 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 4555312)
Or you could have said "thanks for posting but that article seems way off to me".

Perhaps I'm in my fantasy land.
I get that, I just said what was coming out of my mouth after looking at it and thinking hard about it I understand that was not the right way to say it. I'm not good at wording things and that's why I think sometimes it gets taken wrong. I swear I did not intend for it to be mean or an attack on anyone.

AllDogBoots 04-30-2015 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4555319)
I get that, I just said what was coming out of my mouth after looking at it and thinking hard about it I understand that was not the right way to say it. I'm not good at wording things and that's why I think sometimes it gets taken wrong. I swear I did not intend for it to be mean or an attack on anyone.
I believe you. Just slow down a little. Next time put yourself in the OPs position. :)

Lovetodream88 04-30-2015 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 4555318)
I appreciate the link however I don't need to research it. If this is something you have you may want to consider working on cause and effect behaviors.
I understand but I'm at a stand still because I am unaware of what kind of doctor I need to go to, to get a formal diagnoses so I can look for a person who does the kind of therapy I need. There's more to it and other things I need to work on with it too but I don't even know where to start. I also really don't want to go to DC or Baltimore for it.

Lovetodream88 04-30-2015 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 4555318)
I appreciate the link however I don't need to research it. If this is something you have you may want to consider working on cause and effect behaviors.
It wasn't just for you but really everyone.

Wylie's Mom 04-30-2015 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4555268)
Taylor, one of the hardest things for people on the spectrum is to know what social behaviors are appropriate and how they are received by others. I think Ann is wanting you to "get" something you can't get. I hope we all can learn more tolerance for one another, every one of us!
Having worked w/ Autistic adults for 5 years when I lived in Denver, I don't think this is accurate. I've never met an autistic adult, at any place on the spectrum, who had selective feelings about feelings. They either had them, and therefore could also recognize them -or- didn't really have any and therefore could not recognize them. I didn't meet any who had it both ways.

As far as tolerance, yes, of all people Taylor should understand tolerance as more than a fair share has been given her here at YT. We're asking that she also give that to others in return.

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Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 4555293)
I think there's a difference between "getting it" and "owning your actions". If Taylor can start a thought by saying I'm probably going to get banned for replying but I do feel it's important to defend myself then she's also capable of thinking I'm probably going to upset the OP by replying but I feel it's important to state my opinion. Perhaps someone who has an undiagnosed, but self assumed possible mental illness should slow themselves down a little in the thought/action process.

If a thread was created that was inviting people to read an article about how delicious dogs taste (an outrageous example) I would probably think to myself "that OP is crazy" and not involved myself and click the next thread. Why is the involvement so necessary to those who don't agree with the original post or the article the person posted?
Like you, I also don't understand what you notice in the first paragraph here. You either get subtleties or you don't, but you can't really have it both ways.

I should also note, as far as illnesses that people have here at YT -- it is *not* YT's responsibility or goal to keep track of and make exceptions as a result of a known or unknown, diagnosed or undiagnosed illness. People need to behave decently here no matter what, period. We won't make exceptions for that.

Lovetodream88 04-30-2015 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4555325)
Having worked w/ Autistic adults for 5 years when I lived in Denver, I don't think this is accurate. I've never met an autistic adult, at any place on the spectrum, who had selective feelings about feelings. They either had them, and therefore could also recognize them -or- didn't really have any and therefore could not recognize them. I didn't meet any who had it both ways.

As far as tolerance, yes, of all people Taylor should understand tolerance as more than a fair share has been given her here at YT. We're asking that she also give that to others in return.



Like you, I also don't understand what you notice in the first paragraph here. You either get subtleties or you don't, but you can't really have it both ways.

I should also note, as far as illnesses that people have here at YT -- it is *not* YT's responsibility or goal to keep track of and make exceptions as a result of a known or unknown, diagnosed or undiagnosed illness. People need to behave decently here no matter what, period. We won't make exceptions for that.
I'm not sure I understand the comments to Cathy's post? Are you saying I'm lying? I'm not an idiot I do try to learn how I'm supposed to do things and what is expect of people but the more tired I get the less I am good at doing what I am "supposed" to do. I don't lie and am not lying I swear to that. I have even said I get it I messed up it was just what came out of my mouth and I was unable to see it has a big deal or really a problem. After the comments and having time to think about it and hear and see ways I could have done it I get it. It's just some times the best way to help me is to not get me so defensive because then I shut down. I don't expect special rules or to get away with everything. Sometimes I just need like a ramp a mental ramp. I'm not trying to just make excuses I am just trying to explain it because I'm not an evil person.

AllDogBoots 04-30-2015 12:08 PM
I think Ann's post confused you. I don't think anyone here thinks you are a bad person.

Wylie's Mom 04-30-2015 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4555326)
I'm not sure I understand the comments to Cathy's post? Are you saying I'm lying? I'm not an idiot I do try to learn how I'm supposed to do things and what is expect of people but the more tired I get the less I am good at doing what I am "supposed" to do. I don't lie and am not lying I swear to that. I have even said I get it I messed up it was just what came out of my mouth and I was unable to see it has a big deal or really a problem. After the comments and having time to think about it and hear and see ways I could have done it I get it. It's just some times the best way to help me is to not get me so defensive because then I shut down. I don't expect special rules or to get away with everything. Sometimes I just need like a ramp a mental ramp. I'm not trying to just make excuses I am just trying to explain it because I'm not an evil person.
No one said anywhere that you're a liar. No one said anywhere that you're an "evil person". This is coming from your own head, Taylor, not from what people are saying. You're reading wayyy into things. You've said so many times that you only think in black and white, so I don't understand why you're now reading into things that aren't being said. I don't think it's going to be helpful or fruitful to put words in people's mouths here.

Lovetodream88 04-30-2015 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4555332)
No one said anywhere that you're a liar. No one said anywhere that you're an "evil person". This is coming from your own head, Taylor, not from what people are saying. You're reading wayyy into things. You've said so many times that you only think in black and white, so I don't understand why you're now reading into things that aren't being said. I don't think it's going to be helpful or fruitful to put words in people's mouths here.
I'm not trying to do that at all I was just confused by your post. I don't think anyone has said I'm evil I just kinda feel like that is what people might think.

Wylie's Mom 04-30-2015 12:21 PM
It's probably best we close this as it's gotten completely off topic and it doesn't appear it will go back on topic again.

In a nutshell, let it be known that YT welcomes its members to post here, and that we all need to be understanding toward what other people may find helpful and interesting -- we don't need to stand in judgment of what others want to post about or be derogatory about the information shared or the source itself. We need to be decent and supportive, or just don't post at all, end of story.


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