Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4515763)

Lynzy I don't think I have shared my personal phone numbers here, and I don't have a business breeding name, so how could you have googled either one? Just would like to know.

Originally Posted by Kimby44 (Post 4514280)

I would like to introduce myself, my name is Kim Balas. First I would like to say that Yes, I am a breeder and have been so for many years but beside being a breeder I am a mother, wife, daughter and sister and good friend to all of those who know me personally. Most importantly I am human being with feelings.

I don't usually sign up or go on the forums as during the years that I bred and showed my other love (Ragdolls) I was the lucky recipient of being the president of one of the Ragdoll clubs, during these years I learned how really cruel people are to each other. (We allowed no flaming on our forum so we did not have many participants) So this being said, I am going to address the post that has been floating around about my wonderful yorkies and myself.

My hope is that all of you that are so quick to jump on someone that you know nothing about take the time and realize that all is not always how it seems. With all the strife in the world these days the last thing that we as Americans need to do is fight with each other.

I know that many of you have had bad experiences with breeders and I am sure equally many of you have had great experiences and some of you do rescue. But my hope is that in the season of loving and caring that you can stop and take the time to be good to your fellow man/woman. Now I will go on the thread and address the post that has all the hateful remarks about me on it.

Regards,
Kim Balas
Mistibleu Yorkies

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4515502)

Wowee and you can tell without a shadow of a doubt based on a web presence if some-one is reputable or not? Makes me so not want to put up a website, for others to base their decisions on!


So you don't care whether or not what the OP posts is factual or not? You just care what your little detective work has brought up?


Bah Humbug I say. The breeder also alluded to breeding (in the past) Ragdoll cats, so what? She might be a co-owner of a couple of Poodles so what? She might breed Poms and Yorkies is that so bad? Two breeds is not outside of the possibility of a reputable breeder.


Maybe we should have on this site, bad owner reviews, kind of levelling the playing field so to speak!

Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 4515463)

Wow, is all I can say too. I don't know Kim Balas, never heard of her before the thread where the customer is blaming her for the puppy breaking his leg the day after she purchased him. I'm very confused about the allegations of malnutrition being a contributing cause for a leg fracture after purchase. Why did she buy an unhealthy looking dog?
Poop eating is very common, by the way, and in no way indicates a dog is malnourished. Dogs naturally see feces as a possible food source. Females instinctly clean up their puppies' poop to keep predators away. People should actually learn something about what they're talking about before spreading fasehoods.
Looks to me like the buyer tried to shake down the breeder for money for the puppy's injury and set out to ruin her reputation when she didn't oblige. I wasn't there, didn't see any of it, but that's how it looks to me. Some people on here are ready to stomp on her because her name is associated some way with Poodles and Poms as well as Yorkies. In their minds that seems to confirm this is a bad breeder.
I'd also like to question the person on one of these Kim Balas threads who makes reference to "socially acceptable" age for spay/neuter. As an advocate of relatively early spay/neuter, this is the first I hear of social acceptability in that decision.
Anyway, these attacks on breeder based on flimsy evidence is a huge part of why I lurk and rarely post.
Rant over for today, I hope. Have a nice day.

Originally Posted by chickensmith (Post 4515774)

in gemys defense...I don't believe the last statement was directed at Taylor (lovetodream). I may be wrong since I didn't write the post and I'm sure if I am she will correct me! I did feel that you were being a bit rude and pretty much implying that she was lieing about not knowing the breeder. I'm not a breeder nor a yorkie expert...which is why I visit this forum frequently! I think there's a difference between educating people and cramming it down their throats. This thread has been intense from the beginning....which has made it hard to follow.

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea (Post 4515776)

Thanks for the summary on what has transpired. It saves me the time of reading the rest. Well summarized! :thumbup:

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea (Post 4515776)

Thanks for the summary on what has transpired. It saves me the time of reading the rest. Well summarized! :thumbup:

Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4515548)

Without knowing anything about this particular situation or even who this person is, I just wanted to add that this forum in particular does seem to be pretty hard on breeders and I see why we don't have many around anymore which is a shame. Nothing is black and white. You can't automatically claim that a breeder is not reputable because they let pups go at 8 weeks old. Many many small breeds leave at 8 weeks old and are absolutely fine. Is it IDEAL? Maybe not. But it IS legal and not every puppy benefits from staying with mom through 12 weeks. A person breeds two breeds does NOT make a person automatically non-reputable. Sometimes what happens is, someone is involved in one breed and then gradually switches to another, but they still may have a few litters of the first breed, and so on, there's just SO many variables, you can't judge based upon that. Same with websites -- some of the best breeders have the crappiest websites, some of the worst breeders have the best websites and vice versa. It's simply impossible to tell.

Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4515548)

Without knowing anything about this particular situation or even who this person is, I just wanted to add that this forum in particular does seem to be pretty hard on breeders and I see why we don't have many around anymore which is a shame. Nothing is black and white. You can't automatically claim that a breeder is not reputable because they let pups go at 8 weeks old. Many many small breeds leave at 8 weeks old and are absolutely fine. Is it IDEAL? Maybe not. But it IS legal and not every puppy benefits from staying with mom through 12 weeks. A person breeds two breeds does NOT make a person automatically non-reputable. Sometimes what happens is, someone is involved in one breed and then gradually switches to another, but they still may have a few litters of the first breed, and so on, there's just SO many variables, you can't judge based upon that. Same with websites -- some of the best breeders have the crappiest websites, some of the worst breeders have the best websites and vice versa. It's simply impossible to tell.

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea (Post 4515787)

:thumbup:

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4515780)

If you are interested in hearing both sides:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...es-beware.html

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea (Post 4515796)

Thanks
I used the link, read until the part about LTD88 being delusional.... I'm laughing too hard to read any more... I'll stick with the summary that someone, magicgenie, wrote. Looking at the customer's original post, there's a little bit that just doesn't add up, some details. PLUS, it was way back in JULY! Certainly, I feel empathy for the customer here and I hope her pup continues to do well. The OP in the other thread certainly has the right to say what she feels because it's her puppy. The puppy had an accident and broke it's leg after she bought it. I didn't see any reference for medical documentation to back up the malnutrition claim. Also, we don't like it, but, dogs occasionally eat feces..... ect ect.

The OP here vented and that's good. For others, one in particular, to continue to bash a breeder and other YT members though over and over with little to no basis of fact, well, that particular person has issues that carries over into many threads here at the YT community. Neither one of these two threads are really about the breeder or the OP anymore...

Originally Posted by chickensmith (Post 4515774)

in gemys defense...I don't believe the last statement was directed at Taylor (lovetodream). I may be wrong since I didn't write the post and I'm sure if I am she will correct me! I did feel that you were being a bit rude and pretty much implying that she was lieing about not knowing the breeder. I'm not a breeder nor a yorkie expert...which is why I visit this forum frequently! I think there's a difference between educating people and cramming it down their throats. This thread has been intense from the beginning....which has made it hard to follow.

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea (Post 4515796)

Thanks
I used the link, read until the part about LTD88 being delusional.... I'm laughing too hard to read any more... I'll stick with the summary that someone, magicgenie, wrote. Looking at the customer's original post, there's a little bit that just doesn't add up, some details. PLUS, it was way back in JULY! Certainly, I feel empathy for the customer here and I hope her pup continues to do well. The OP in the other thread certainly has the right to say what she feels because it's her puppy. The puppy had an accident and broke it's leg after she bought it. I didn't see any reference for medical documentation to back up the malnutrition claim. Also, we don't like it, but, dogs occasionally eat feces..... ect ect.

The OP here vented and that's good. For others, one in particular, to continue to bash a breeder and other YT members though over and over with little to no basis of fact, well, that particular person has issues that carries over into many threads here at the YT community. Neither one of these two threads are really about the breeder or the OP anymore...

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4515763)

Lynzy I don't think I have shared my personal phone numbers here, and I don't have a business breeding name, so how could you have googled either one? Just would like to know.

Originally Posted by richards6402 (Post 4515848)

I always stay away from threads like this and avoid all the drama it contains , but I got sucked into this one and find myself in the cesspool this one has become.I don’t know this breeder that came on YT to tell her side of the story but she has the same right everyone else has that posts on here.Instead of getting into a fruitful discussion and asking her questions about the problem…….she is crucified.Since when do people on YT get to be Judge and Jury?Not only did the breeder get crucified but the thread then went into attack mode.
Last year a Mi Ki breeder in my town was arrested by the county sheriff’s office for animal cruelty.Her website was beautiful, it looked like her dogs were living in a 5 star resort.According to her website she belonged to all the right organizations, was as Mi Ki rescuer and all around good person with her dogs being her number 1 priority.When the sheriff raided her home they were sickened by what they found…..I think they seized 50 Mi Ki dogs all stuffed into about 3 cages in her basement where the smell was so bad they had to wear masks.Dead dogs were with live dogs, dog cages sitting on top of other dog cages that hadn’t been cleaned for weeks….you get the picture.The dogs lived in deplorable conditions but boy her website was slick and said all the right things.So what is the moral of my story….don’t go ONLY by a website to determine if a breeder is good or bad which is what exactly happened in this thread.
I am getting tired of the needless, petty drama on YT…..and it seems to me it’s always the same people that are in the middle stirring things up.I have decided to take a vacation from this forum.If and when I decide to come back, I hope things change…… but I’m not holding my breath.

Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 4515463)

Wow, is all I can say too. I don't know Kim Balas, never heard of her before the thread where the customer is blaming her for the puppy breaking his leg the day after she purchased him. I'm very confused about the allegations of malnutrition being a contributing cause for a leg fracture after purchase. Why did she buy an unhealthy looking dog?
Poop eating is very common, by the way, and in no way indicates a dog is malnourished. Dogs naturally see feces as a possible food source. Females instinctly clean up their puppies' poop to keep predators away. People should actually learn something about what they're talking about before spreading fasehoods.
Looks to me like the buyer tried to shake down the breeder for money for the puppy's injury and set out to ruin her reputation when she didn't oblige. I wasn't there, didn't see any of it, but that's how it looks to me. Some people on here are ready to stomp on her because her name is associated some way with Poodles and Poms as well as Yorkies. In their minds that seems to confirm this is a bad breeder.
I'd also like to question the person on one of these Kim Balas threads who makes reference to "socially acceptable" age for spay/neuter. As an advocate of relatively early spay/neuter, this is the first I hear of social acceptability in that decision.
Anyway, these attacks on breeder based on flimsy evidence is a huge part of why I lurk and rarely post.
Rant over for today, I hope. Have a nice day.

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 4515807)

Believe me...you can find out pretty much anything about anyone if you dig around enough. It really is pretty simple to do. You don't need a lot of information either to get pretty darn far.

Originally Posted by chickensmith (Post 4515774)

in gemys defense...I don't believe the last statement was directed at Taylor (lovetodream). I may be wrong since I didn't write the post and I'm sure if I am she will correct me! I did feel that you were being a bit rude and pretty much implying that she was lieing about not knowing the breeder. I'm not a breeder nor a yorkie expert...which is why I visit this forum frequently! I think there's a difference between educating people and cramming it down their throats. This thread has been intense from the beginning....which has made it hard to follow.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4515801)

If it was not directed at me I'm sure Gemy would have said that by now since she has been back to post since then but she hasn't. I was not trying to say anyone was a liar but I did apologize if she felt that way. What I kept repeating was there are some facts that people seem to keep missing and I felt the need to continually defend myself.

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4515914)

Sigh Taylor, yet again. No my comment was not directed at you in anyway = just let us level the playing field okay? Have bad pet owner reviews on here too? Hey why not?


So I will give you the apology you *gave me*, I am sorry you felt this way!

Originally Posted by richards6402 (Post 4515848)

I always stay away from threads like this and avoid all the drama it contains , but I got sucked into this one and find myself in the cesspool this one has become.I don’t know this breeder that came on YT to tell her side of the story but she has the same right everyone else has that posts on here.Instead of getting into a fruitful discussion and asking her questions about the problem…….she is crucified.Since when do people on YT get to be Judge and Jury?Not only did the breeder get crucified but the thread then went into attack mode.
Last year a Mi Ki breeder in my town was arrested by the county sheriff’s office for animal cruelty.Her website was beautiful, it looked like her dogs were living in a 5 star resort.According to her website she belonged to all the right organizations, was as Mi Ki rescuer and all around good person with her dogs being her number 1 priority.When the sheriff raided her home they were sickened by what they found…..I think they seized 50 Mi Ki dogs all stuffed into about 3 cages in her basement where the smell was so bad they had to wear masks.Dead dogs were with live dogs, dog cages sitting on top of other dog cages that hadn’t been cleaned for weeks….you get the picture.The dogs lived in deplorable conditions but boy her website was slick and said all the right things.So what is the moral of my story….don’t go ONLY by a website to determine if a breeder is good or bad which is what exactly happened in this thread.
I am getting tired of the needless, petty drama on YT…..and it seems to me it’s always the same people that are in the middle stirring things up.I have decided to take a vacation from this forum.If and when I decide to come back, I hope things change…… but I’m not holding my breath.