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rjacktoo 09-19-2014 08:01 PM
Newbie here with question re: reputable breeder..apologize if I'm in the wrong place!
 
Hello all.

Just joined this great group this evening! I am not sure where to post a message regarding reputable places to find a forever friend....

I've been visiting this site for a while and finding such great info! I grew up with Yorkies in the 60's and 70's....we always had a "baby"and a large dog of some kind too, and it always amazed me how the Yorkie was consistently the one "in charge".

I have two grown children and two boys, twins who are 12, and everyone is self sufficient enough at last that I can welcome another Yorkie to love and have as my companion! We have a fat cat named Tucker and an elderly Golden Retriever named Gracie. We lost Gracie's littermate and sister earlier this summer to cancer.

We live in Austin TX. I am mortally terrified of doing business with an unscrupulous breeder. I have not consulted my vet yet, (just moving forward with this idea this past week or so), but I thought you guys might be able to point me in the right direction.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

Lovetodream88 09-20-2014 09:40 AM
You can check the ytca.org

Faboosh 09-20-2014 10:10 AM
Welcome to YT!! Definitely look into YTCA.org, but also check under the breeder section here on YorkieTalk. There's countless threads of good & bad breeders from all over the country. You'll learn a lot about what and who to look out for!

Glad you're doing your research and I hope you find the perfect pup for your family :)

matese 09-20-2014 11:07 AM
Welcome to Yt, sorry can't help you with breeders, I suggest follow advise of the above members.

Nancy1999 09-20-2014 11:19 AM
I too recommend the YTCA, when I first came to Yorkietalk, I had no idea on how to find a dog. Someone mentioned the Yorkshire Terrier club of America and I'm so glad that they did. It's the mother club of the Yorkie and breeders who belong must be breeding for several years and promise to abide by certain ethical standards. Of course, not every breeder who belongs is great, but you can find some great ones who belong I recommend it because they have members in nearly every state and most people can visit the home in person. This is extremely important, otherwise, you don't know how the breeding pair are being kept. While Yorkietalk also has some good breeders, anyone can join Yorkietalk and some breeders join just to sell dogs. Yorkietalk has in the past had members who were horrific breeders, so please be careful if you go that route. Some people will recommend a breeder even though there own dog is still just a pup and they have no way of knowing if it's healthy yet. Best of luck! In the library we have several guides on how to choose a breeder. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...e-breeder.html The link in my signature takes you to a breeder referral for the YTCA.

mrsedwardslpn 09-20-2014 11:37 AM
Try the ytca as others have mentioned and also akc. Im searching for my second baby and I see a bunch of breeders in tx. I'll pm you some info and hopefully it will help

Nancy1999 09-20-2014 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by mrsedwardslpn (Post 4488888)
Try the ytca as others have mentioned and also akc. Im searching for my second baby and I see a bunch of breeders in tx. I'll pm you some info and hopefully it will help
Sorry, but the AKC will advertise any breeder who coughs up the money, this is not enough of an endorsement. There are puppymills who still belong to the AKC and the AKC can't kick them out if they are following state laws.

mrsedwardslpn 09-20-2014 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4488893)
Sorry, but the AKC will advertise any breeder who coughs up the money, this is not enough of an endorsement. There are puppymills who still belong to the AKC and the AKC can't kick them out if they are following state laws.
I agree however,

There are puppy mills and backyard breeders everywhere it's your job to get to know your breeder and recognize red flags just as it is with any other place you look.

Nancy1999 09-20-2014 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsedwardslpn (Post 4488899)
I agree however,

There are puppy mills and backyard breeders everywhere it's your job to get to know your breeder and recognize red flags just as it is with any other place you look.
Absolutely, I'm just saying that an AKC ad is no different than an ad in the local paper.

magicgenie 09-20-2014 03:25 PM
I'm with Nancy in that AKC will sell an ad to anyone who's registering a litter. YTCA was once the gold standard but has lost members and prestige in recent years because of their own infighting. It's still a good place to start a search, but be careful not to fall prey to some members whose only interest in the club is the higher price their directory listing can command for them. Proceed slowly, communicate with breeders, establish rapport, check references and reconcile their standards to your expectations.

mrsedwardslpn 09-20-2014 03:29 PM
Guess I said one thing and opened a can of worms... wish I could delete my response for this topic. Everyone doesn't need to jump at what I said. To the OP I apologize for giving you any misleading or wrong info I'm by no means an expert just giving my OP IN I ON from what I've been told by other posters. I hope you find your pup

Nancy1999 09-20-2014 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsedwardslpn (Post 4488940)
Guess I said one thing and opened a can of worms... wish I could delete my response for this topic. Everyone doesn't need to jump at what I said. To the OP I apologize for giving you any misleading or wrong info I'm by no means an expert just giving my OP IN I ON from what I've been told by other posters. I hope you find your pup
I thought that was a good way to get a breeder too at one time, don't feel bad for relying information you have been given, I'm just saying, you'd probably have to do a more through search of the breeder if her only credentials are AKC, but AKC is still a huge step above no registry at all. I'm saying please visit the home, no matter what.

Nancy1999 09-20-2014 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 4488937)
I'm with Nancy in that AKC will sell an ad to anyone who's registering a litter. YTCA was once the gold standard but has lost members and prestige in recent years because of their own infighting. It's still a good place to start a search, but be careful not to fall prey to some members whose only interest in the club is the higher price their directory listing can command for them. Proceed slowly, communicate with breeders, establish rapport, check references and reconcile their standards to your expectations.
That's too bad about the infighting, sometimes we should focus on what we have in common, than all our differences.

mrsedwardslpn 09-20-2014 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4488944)
I thought that was a good way to get a breeder too at one time, don't feel bad for relying information you have been given, I'm just saying, you'd probably have to do a more through search of the breeder if her only credentials are AKC, but AKC is still a huge step above no registry at all. I'm saying please visit the home, no matter what.
Funny because most ppl here praise the akc. I Definitely agree with doing thorough checks on the breeder get references and please do a home visit with ANY breeder the YTCA breeders isn't exempt from that.

mrsedwardslpn 09-20-2014 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4488945)
That's too bad about the infighting, sometimes we should focus on what we have in common, than all our differences.
I still love you Nancy and Joey and his beautiful haircut:D
Nikki

Nancy1999 09-20-2014 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsedwardslpn (Post 4488946)
Funny because most ppl here praise the akc. I Definitely agree with doing thorough checks on the breeder get references and please do a home visit with ANY breeder the YTCA breeders isn't exempt from that.
Yeah, I agree with this too, again I think the AKC does a good job, but their specialty is record keeping and it's the only registry that really cares about the "purity of the breed of the dogs, they do genetic testing. Other registries just take the breeders word for it. So if you want a purebred, you'll have a better chance of getting one if the breeder is a member of the AKC.

Nancy1999 09-20-2014 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsedwardslpn (Post 4488947)
I still love you Nancy and Joey and his beautiful haircut:D
Nikki
Oh thank you Nikki, and Joey thanks you too!

Lovetodream88 09-20-2014 06:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrsedwardslpn (Post 4488946)
Funny because most ppl here praise the akc. I Definitely agree with doing thorough checks on the breeder get references and please do a home visit with ANY breeder the YTCA breeders isn't exempt from that.
The AKC is the only reputable registry in the US but there are still puppy mills who use them and breeders who will forge papers and stuff so just AKC doesn't make them good and it is better then the other registries you can register anything with but definitely not perfect. The ytca has ethics and puppy mills will not bother being a member if there's.

Nancy1999 09-21-2014 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4489000)
The AKC is the only reputable registry in the US but there are still puppy mills who use them and breeders who will forge papers and stuff so just AKC doesn't make them good and it is better then the other registries you can register anything with but definitely not perfect. The ytca has ethics and puppy mills will not bother being a member if there's.
I hate to say this, but even YTCA breeders have been accused of running "puppy mills". The reason I recommend the YTCA is there is usually a breeder in most states and so the would be buy can actually visit the home and see for yourself how breeding dogs are housed.

Lovetodream88 09-21-2014 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4489084)
I hate to say this, but even YTCA breeders have been accused of running "puppy mills". The reason I recommend the YTCA is there is usually a breeder in most states and so the would be buy can actually visit the home and see for yourself how breeding dogs are housed.
Haven't heard of that one but if there doing everything they are supposed to do I would think that would make it hard to have a puppy mill.

Nancy1999 09-21-2014 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4489140)
Haven't heard of that one but if there doing everything they are supposed to do I would think that would make it hard to have a puppy mill.
One problem is that there is no definition of puppy mill, we kind of know what it means, but some people think if you have over a certain number of dogs and the dogs live in kennels it's a puppy mill. I don't believe this, I think that weakens the word and while those may not be ideal conditions, they aren't harmful. Another problem is people pledge to abide by the rules, but that doesn't mean they will do it. Anybody can be hit with the greed bug.

Lovetodream88 09-21-2014 09:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4489143)
One problem is that there is no definition of puppy mill, we kind of know what it means, but some people think if you have over a certain number of dogs and the dogs live in kennels it's a puppy mill. I don't believe this, I think that weakens the word and while those may not be ideal conditions, they aren't harmful. Another problem is people pledge to abide by the rules, but that doesn't mean they will do it. Anybody can be hit with the greed bug.
We need more laws to protect these fuzzy babies.

Nancy1999 09-21-2014 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4489154)
We need more laws to protect these fuzzy babies.
I know, but it so hard to write a good law, one that doesn't hurt the good breeders and makes it more difficult for poor breeders. I've never seen a breeder here, even the good ones for ANY legislation. They fight it tooth and nail, and they are always so afraid it will make it impossible for them to breed and have their animals in the house. There is always loads of propaganda going on about any bill that is written, and this propaganda is sent out by the large commercial breeders, but they want the small home breeders to fight the bill. The truth is we all have to make sacrifices when it comes to ensuring dogs safety and proper breeding conditions. Pet owners can visit the breeder's home, and breeders can allow that. If they don't trust a person enough to come to their home, they shouldn't trust him enough to give him a pup.

chachi 09-21-2014 10:35 AM
Making sure the pups are registered AKC is important because the AKC does the best job of monitoring breeders and they wont register mixes so at least you do know you are getting a purebred which you cant ensure with other registries. I doesnt mean you have a good breeder though you are still going to have to research your breeder and make sure they meet the criteria of what is important in a breeder. My Breeder registered her pups AKC but she also let them go at 7 weeks. She never mentioned health testing and her health guarantee was for 72 hrs so she wasnt a good breeder at all but I wasnt an experienced yorkie buyer either because it was my place to make sure she met certain criteria.

thelittleyorkie 09-21-2014 10:44 AM
Also, ask for references! Reputable breeders give out references, both from previous buyers and from their vet. You can also do a Google search on the breeder. Look for "(insert breeder's name here) reviews" or "(insert kennel name here) reviews" or "(insert breeder's name here) YorkieTalk" or "(insert kennel name here) reviews". If you aren't sure about a breeder, go ahead and post a thread in the Breeders or Breeders, Vet, and Groomers Reviews section here on the forum.

shelbysmom 09-21-2014 12:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrsedwardslpn (Post 4488940)
Guess I said one thing and opened a can of worms... wish I could delete my response for this topic. Everyone doesn't need to jump at what I said. To the OP I apologize for giving you any misleading or wrong info I'm by no means an expert just giving my OP IN I ON from what I've been told by other posters. I hope you find your pup


Well, I think the Ads on AKC are a fine place to start. You can see listings of purebred pups plus they highlight the breeders that are YTCA members and breeders of merit. After that, double check that they are club members (at YTCA website) and do a google search of the breeders name and the kennel name. Any bad reviews (and good ones too) will show up. It takes time and a lot of effort but it's worth it. Good luck.

gemy 09-22-2014 04:06 AM
Go to Dog shows
 
This is rarely mentioned, but for those who live close to large cities, it is a very viable option.


Step 1 www.akc.org Go to Events and Search by State and you will see all the dog shows coming up in your area for 12 months.


Step 2 Go to www.infodog.com something called a Judging Schedule is posted ~2wks before the show date. There you will find out how many Yorkies are entered, and you can see the dogs in the ring.


*Note www.ytca.org wil showcase what they Call Roving Specialities, and this will be where you get to see the largest number of Yorkies in a show. Now they may not occur in a city close to you, but it is worth checking out.


Also Austin is a large enough city, that often times cities have something called All about Pet shows. Or Pet Exhibition, Many times the clubs will rent a booth to educate the public about their breed, and may have some Yorkies attending.


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