YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community

YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community (https://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/index.php)
-   General Yorkshire Terrier Discussion (https://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/general-yorkshire-terrier-discussion/)
-   -   vet school vs pvt. personal vet WARNING long post (https://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/general-yorkshire-terrier-discussion/273705-vet-school-vs-pvt-personal-vet-warning-long-post.html)

107barney 03-13-2014 04:25 AM

I want to chime in again. Having been to vet schools and also larger and smaller specialty hospitals I like the specialty hospital experience better. We are fortunate we have many choices here. I don't like students.

107barney 03-13-2014 04:29 AM

By the way, your vet doesn't know what she doesn't know. If she knew what to do then the issues wouldn't be going on 17 mos. You need to get out of there, and go somewhere else. I like internal med as a start.

margaritaville 03-13-2014 04:48 AM

Joan, you wrote that has been going on for 17mo., don't you think that is time enough to see improvement or cure? I do, and would move on (I think you are beginning to realize this by the questions you have).
As for vet schools, don't be afraid of going there. Just equate them to teaching hospitals, these resident vets train under a professor who actually is in control of your pets care. The resident suggests the care but the professor rounds with them just as in a human hospital. They have the most up to date research, equipment and labs and have seen almost everything in their medical practice. so don't worry about your little one being a guinea pig.

matese 03-13-2014 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4405087)
By the way, your vet doesn't know what she doesn't know. If she knew what to do then the issues wouldn't be going on 17 mos. You need to get out of there, and go somewhere else. I like internal med as a start.

I guess you didn't read all postings, my vet is not treating him for 17 months. I adopted him 4 months ago, when I took him home first day before coming in house I walked him he pooped, I saw colitis, nx day went to the vet, she gave him meds with a 6 week follow up that turned into follow up in 8 weeks due to me being snowed in, cancelled the 6 wk appt. new appt. was 2 wks later, so there was the first 2 months I owned him. Two weeks after I owned him I was able to talk to prev. owner that told me the dog got diarrhea when they were hit by hurricane Sandy, they had to evacuate, had to put dog in shelter for 16 days when they picked the dog up he had diarrhea, prev owner took him to "A" vet, that vet gave tge dog meds, I guess she finished the meds and never went back to the vet, and the dog still had colitis. (This past Monday I spoke to the prev. owner's great grandmother where I got the TRUTH of why the dog was surrendered) anyway, so I bring the dog to vet that was supposed to be a 6 wk follow up but turned into a 8 week follow up, and this is when I told her the prev. owner told me Cody had diarrhea since Sandy, the vet had a better understanding and gave diff, meds with a 6 week follow up, which turned into a 8 wk follow up again, due to snow, sleet & ice, I had to cancel that 6 wk appt. now this is 3rd visit to vet, she puts the dog on vet prescription HILL dog food Z/D dry and wet with a sublament, no other food is to be given, feed him 1/4 cup 3 times a day, follow up in 2 weeks, which is today, that I had to cancel due to ice and frozen roads, so my vet has only seen him 3 times. TRUST ME WHEN I SAY if a vet was treating any dog I had for 17 months and could not cure my dog I would have left her longgg time ago, Cody has only 3 visits with my vet due to long follow ups. a 6 week follow up to give meds time to get into system and do their work, both times he had a 6 wk follow up had to be cancelled that made a 6 wk into a 8 week follow up. If you had read entire posting you would have saw this. I have had yorkies since 1980, I am NOT a FIRST TIME YORKIE/ DOG OWNER. My vet is the BEST in my county. AGAIN my dog has had ONLY 3 visits with my vet, not 17 months with my vet TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TREAT my dog... Thank you for your input

margaritaville 03-13-2014 05:36 AM

I believe what is being said is........after 17mo it's time for positive results.....for the dogs sake.

matese 03-13-2014 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by margaritaville (Post 4405096)
Joan, you wrote that has been going on for 17mo., don't you think that is time enough to see improvement or cure? I do, and would move on (I think you are beginning to realize this by the questions you have).
As for vet schools, don't be afraid of going there. Just equate them to teaching hospitals, these resident vets train under a professor who actually is in control of your pets care. The resident suggests the care but the professor rounds with them just as in a human hospital. They have the most up to date research, equipment and labs and have seen almost everything in their medical practice. so don't worry about your little one being a guinea pig.


I asked vet school vs pvt. personal vet JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, I could NOT UNDERSTAND why anyone would want to take their dog to a place were there were STUDENTS JUST LEARNING instead of taking their dogs to a CERTIFIED VET that has been in practice for YEARS. it was a question out of SHEER CURISOTY not a because I was considering using one. The question I asked has been answered and now I have a full understanding of vet schools.(posting before I loose this)

kjc 03-13-2014 06:00 AM

2 more cents worth: Six weeks between appointments is way too long for a dog with diarrhea/intestinal issues. Antibiotics should work in a matter of days, except for maybe low dose long term therapy, but that wouldn't be tried unless a definite diagnosis had been made and no other ABs worked quicker.

I suspect too that this may be C-diff/Clostridium, which normally responds to Metronidazole. Metro is normally dosed for 1-2 weeks, but to clear Clostridium, the dog needs to take it for 3-4 weeks. Changing up on ABs with this bacteria will only make it even more resistant.

ladyjane 03-13-2014 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matese (Post 4405106)
I asked vet school vs pvt. personal vet JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, I could NOT UNDERSTAND why anyone would want to take their dog to a place were there were STUDENTS JUST LEARNING instead of taking their dogs to a CERTIFIED VET that has been in practice for YEARS. it was a question out of SHEER CURISOTY not a because I was considering using one. The question I asked has been answered and now I have a full understanding of vet schools.(posting before I loose this)

Yes, you asked about the difference and you are totally not understanding what goes on at vet schools; but I am not going to repeat that. What stands out to me is comparing them to a "certified" vet as you call it. What exactly is that? Just because a vet has been in practice for years does not make him/her an up to date vet OR a specialist. The only "certification" that I would be looking for with a pup like yours is a "board certified specialist". Whether FOUR months or SEVENTEEN months matters not. Symptoms are being treated without looking for a cause. Colitis is not something you "see" .. colitis is a diagnosis. You keep saying you "saw' colitis. Unless tests are done on your pup which I suspect have not been done since you say your vet is not charging you, then I think you are treating symptoms.

You went on another thread and told a woman to take her pup to Penn, yet every time someone here on your thread suggests either a specialist or a vet school, you make excuses and swear your vet will refer you. I would have to ask when at this point. My vet would have long ago suggested further testing if the symptoms were still going on.

matese 03-13-2014 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by margaritaville http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ima...s/viewpost.gif Joan, you wrote that has been going on for 17mo., don't you think that is time enough to see improvement or cure? I do, and would move on (I think you are beginning to realize this by the questions you have).
As for vet schools, don't be afraid of going there. Just equate them to teaching hospitals, these resident vets train under a professor who actually is in control of your pets care. The resident suggests the care but the professor rounds with them just as in a human hospital. They have the most up to date research, equipment and labs and have seen almost everything in their medical practice. so don't worry about your little one being a guinea pig.

__________________________________________________ _______
My vet has only seen Cody 3 times, (read my reply to Barney107)
from my original post I have learned there are specialist for certain illness, which I did not know. I never had a prolonged illness with any of my dogs. Again, Cody has had only 3 visits my vet, I adopted Cody in Nov. 2013, he came with colitis. My vet is working on getting him on the road to a healthy life. IF A TIME COMES WHEN MY VET LOOKS ME IN THE EYE AND TELLS ME THERE IS NOTHING MORE SHE CAN DO TO CURE HIM, that is the time I will seek a specialist. I have been with this vet since 1984 if she can not get him well she will advise me where to go & who to use. My vet LOVES ANIMALS and strides to cure all that come into her clinic. I can understand ppl thinking my vet has been treating Cody for 17 months, but if they read entire posting, not skip over anything they will see, my vet has just started treating him, I appreciate all the concern members have and offer their advise and their opinions, I do the same thing to posts that I have read, I LOVE my new lil boy, I will do what ever needs to be done, I will travel to where ever I may have to, I will see who ever I need to, to get this baby boy cured, that is IF THERE IS A CURE FOR HIM. Codys priv. owner I just found out this past Monday did not seek medical attention but one time, due to financial difficulties, she left him untreated for 13 months, this I will tell my vet on next visit. The more my vet knows about his past the better she can treat him. Thank you for your concern and your advise. Cody has had ONLY 3 visits with my vet since I have adopted him, My vet is the BEST in the county, I understand vet schools handle 100's more cases then my vet does. But, if it comes to me having to use someone else, I know my vet will advise me, is she does not I will find a specialist, I want to deal with a one on one person, not many ppl that have looked into Codys case. Again thank you very much for your concern for my lil boy.

107barney 03-13-2014 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matese (Post 4405102)
I guess you didn't read all postings, my vet is not treating him for 17 months. I adopted him 4 months ago, when I took him home first day before coming in house I walked him he pooped, I saw colitis, nx day went to the vet, she gave him meds with a 6 week follow up that turned into follow up in 8 weeks due to me being snowed in, cancelled the 6 wk appt. new appt. was 2 wks later, so there was the first 2 months I owned him. Two weeks after I owned him I was able to talk to prev. owner that told me the dog got diarrhea when they were hit by hurricane Sandy, they had to evacuate, had to put dog in shelter for 16 days when they picked the dog up he had diarrhea, prev owner took him to "A" vet, that vet gave tge dog meds, I guess she finished the meds and never went back to the vet, and the dog still had colitis. (This past Monday I spoke to the prev. owner's great grandmother where I got the TRUTH of why the dog was surrendered) anyway, so I bring the dog to vet that was supposed to be a 6 wk follow up but turned into a 8 week follow up, and this is when I told her the prev. owner told me Cody had diarrhea since Sandy, the vet had a better understanding and gave diff, meds with a 6 week follow up, which turned into a 8 wk follow up again, due to snow, sleet & ice, I had to cancel that 6 wk appt. now this is 3rd visit to vet, she puts the dog on vet prescription HILL dog food Z/D dry and wet with a sublament, no other food is to be given, feed him 1/4 cup 3 times a day, follow up in 2 weeks, which is today, that I had to cancel due to ice and frozen roads, so my vet has only seen him 3 times. TRUST ME WHEN I SAY if a vet was treating any dog I had for 17 months and could not cure my dog I would have left her longgg time ago, Cody has only 3 visits with my vet due to long follow ups. a 6 week follow up to give meds time to get into system and do their work, both times he had a 6 wk follow up had to be cancelled that made a 6 wk into a 8 week follow up. If you had read entire posting you would have saw this. I have had yorkies since 1980, I am NOT a FIRST TIME YORKIE/ DOG OWNER. My vet is the BEST in my county. AGAIN my dog has had ONLY 3 visits with my vet, not 17 months with my vet TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TREAT my dog... Thank you for your input

I stand by my words. Your vet wouldn't be touching my dogs. It's your money so if you want to keep flushing it down your vet's toilet feel free.

TxVicki 03-13-2014 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matese (Post 4405110)
Originally Posted by margaritaville http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ima...s/viewpost.gif Joan, you wrote that has been going on for 17mo., don't you think that is time enough to see improvement or cure? I do, and would move on (I think you are beginning to realize this by the questions you have).
As for vet schools, don't be afraid of going there. Just equate them to teaching hospitals, these resident vets train under a professor who actually is in control of your pets care. The resident suggests the care but the professor rounds with them just as in a human hospital. They have the most up to date research, equipment and labs and have seen almost everything in their medical practice. so don't worry about your little one being a guinea pig.

__________________________________________________ _______
My vet has only seen Cody 3 times, (read my reply to Barney107)
from my original post I have learned there are specialist for certain illness, which I did not know. I never had a prolonged illness with any of my dogs. Again, Cody has had only 3 visits my vet, I adopted Cody in Nov. 2013, he came with colitis. My vet is working on getting him on the road to a healthy life. IF A TIME COMES WHEN MY VET LOOKS ME IN THE EYE AND TELLS ME THERE IS NOTHING MORE SHE CAN DO TO CURE HIM, that is the time I will seek a specialist. I have been with this vet since 1984 if she can not get him well she will advise me where to go & who to use. My vet LOVES ANIMALS and strides to cure all that come into her clinic. I can understand ppl thinking my vet has been treating Cody for 17 months, but if they read entire posting, not skip over anything they will see, my vet has just started treating him, I appreciate all the concern members have and offer their advise and their opinions, I do the same thing to posts that I have read, I LOVE my new lil boy, I will do what ever needs to be done, I will travel to where ever I may have to, I will see who ever I need to, to get this baby boy cured, that is IF THERE IS A CURE FOR HIM. Codys priv. owner I just found out this past Monday did not seek medical attention but one time, due to financial difficulties, she left him untreated for 13 months, this I will tell my vet on next visit. The more my vet knows about his past the better she can treat him. Thank you for your concern and your advise. Cody has had ONLY 3 visits with my vet since I have adopted him, My vet is the BEST in the county, I understand vet schools handle 100's more cases then my vet does. But, if it comes to me having to use someone else, I know my vet will advise me, is she does not I will find a specialist, I want to deal with a one on one person, not many ppl that have looked into Codys case. Again thank you very much for your concern for my lil boy.

Now that is a blanket statement. I think MY VET is THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY !!! SMH

We all trust that out Vet's are the BEST !!

kjc 03-13-2014 06:18 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Quote:

Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4405108)
2 more cents worth: Six weeks between appointments is way too long for a dog with diarrhea/intestinal issues. Antibiotics should work in a matter of days, except for maybe low dose long term therapy, but that wouldn't be tried unless a definite diagnosis had been made and no other ABs worked quicker.

I suspect too that this may be C-diff/Clostridium, which normally responds to Metronidazole. Metro is normally dosed for 1-2 weeks, but to clear Clostridium, the dog needs to take it for 3-4 weeks. Changing up on ABs with this bacteria will only make it even more resistant.

Edit: After 3-4 weeks on Metronidazole, a recheck is done to be sure the bacteria is under control. After even 1 -2 doses of Metro, poops will be normal and no straining (a symptom) will be evident.

And gross but here's a pic of a colitis type poop (for those who don't know):

Attachment 397362

ETA: It's very hard to get into vet school in the USA, mostly only straight A students are even considered. Also vets are in school longer than human doctors, and for a specialist, add 4 more years to their initial schooling.

ladyjane 03-13-2014 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matese (Post 4404289)
just curious, what is the advantage of using a "vet school" over using your own pvt. vet that has all medical history of your pup. Reason I ask, I have been working with my vet (who is always updating herself with the newest procedures) on getting Cody's Colitis under control. I adopted Cody as most members know with a server case of colitis that was left untreated by the prev owner for 13 months, I have him now 4 months today, in the 4 months I have him, he goes to vet every 2 weeks, sometimes every 6 weeks depending on what my vet put him on. There MAY come a time (and I PRAY this will NEVER happen) that my vet will tell me "she has done all that can be done to cure Cody of this Colitis" and he still has it. I have been with this vet since 1984, she has kept 2 of my dogs alive for several years that had server medical issues, I have 1000% trust in her, she has such much LOVE for all the animals she treats and goes to GREAT lengths to find a cure for them. My heart is telling me, because Cody was left untreated for 13 months, there will be no cure for him, and prolonged Colitis I have read MAY lead to Cushings disease . My vet is determined to get him back on the road to recovery, however, should this not happen I will want to seek another venue. I have seen many members advise posters to bring their baby to a vet school and was wondering in Cody’s case of Colitis would this be beneficial for him. I may / can be wrong about this, but I HAVE to say it, so no offence to anyone out there. I hear the TERM “VET SCHOOL” which to me means, ppl learning to become veterinarians. I do not want my baby to be used as a “guinea pig” for ppl that are “learning“. I am sure these vet schools have the most modern technology as far as equipment goes…… I am from the ole school where a used car was just that, now it is referred to as “a pre-owned car” when two diff. breeds of dogs mated they were called MUTTS, now they are called “designer dogs” well I go with the flow and accept the “pre-owned car” and the “designer dog” and if a “vet school” has changed over the years I will accept that to. So any advise on why going to a “vet school” is better then your own vet. Please no nasty, rude, badgering post, I just want to be informed and updated on modern technology, I need to save this precious lil 2 y/o that has many years of life ahead of him. I want him to be healthy and to enjoy his life, I will go to any extreme to find a cure for this new little boy of mine. I want to thank anyone / everyone that takes the time to read this very long post. Any and all advise will be appreciated and will be considered.

OK...you say that he needs to be saved, yet you say your vet has only seen him 3 times in 4 months.

Suffice it to say, that I am totally confused.

maggiefromnj 03-13-2014 06:21 AM

I assume a stool sample was checked? Obvious, but worth asking because you never know...Just ask your vet if there are tests that could be done such as they do on people with bloody stool. Ultrasounds, MRI, assorted scopes (endoscope, colonoscopy type scopes) dog could have ulcers, cancer, who knows? You can't just keep throwing meds and hope one works. The meds are probably cheaper though, the tests cost more. I didn't notice if she did blood work. I think people are saying that it might not actually be colitis.

Good luck, and don't worry your vet won't be insulted if you go elsewhere. Is it the $? You said your vet was treating for free. The free part might be influencing the frequency of visits....

TxVicki 03-13-2014 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TxVicki (Post 4405112)
Now that is a blanket statement. I think MY VET is THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY !!! SMH

We all trust that out Vet's are the BEST !!

See I can make a blanket statement as well about my Vet.

I do know at my Vet if no answers are found, the I am sent to a specialist.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:12 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2003 - 2018 YorkieTalk.com
Privacy Policy - Terms of Use


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 751 752 753 754 755 756 757 758 759 760 761 762 763 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 789 790 791 792 793 794 795 796 797 798 799 800 801 802 803 804 805 806 807 808 809 810 811 812 813 814 815 816 817 818 819 820 821 822 823 824 825 826 827 828 829 830 831 832 833 834 835 836 837 838 839 840 841 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 860 861 862 863 864 865 866 867 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 895 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 961 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 1012 1013 1014 1015 1016 1017 1018 1019 1020 1021 1022 1023 1024 1025 1026 1027 1028 1029 1030 1031 1032 1033 1034 1035 1036 1037 1038 1039 1040 1041 1042 1043 1044 1045 1046 1047 1048 1049 1050 1051 1052 1053 1054 1055 1056 1057 1058 1059 1060 1061 1062 1063 1064 1065 1066 1067 1068 1069 1070 1071 1072 1073 1074 1075 1076 1077 1078 1079 1080 1081 1082 1083 1084 1085 1086 1087 1088 1089 1090 1091 1092 1093 1094 1095 1096 1097 1098 1099 1100 1101 1102 1103 1104 1105 1106 1107 1108 1109 1110 1111 1112 1113 1114 1115 1116 1117 1118 1119 1120 1121 1122 1123 1124 1125 1126 1127 1128 1129 1130 1131 1132 1133 1134 1135 1136 1137 1138 1139 1140 1141 1142 1143 1144 1145 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1151 1152 1153 1154 1155 1156 1157 1158 1159 1160 1161 1162 1163 1164 1165 1166 1167 1168