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Verbena 03-08-2014 04:33 AM

Side note.

A lot of people were displaced when Sandy came. The people went into shelters and there was no place to bring there pets. Sometimes even though we would never think of surrendering our fur babies, you are put in a position that you have to. I have friends that lost their homes and some still living in a hotel. And some have homes that are still not have been repaired or replaced. There was so much devastation.

matese 03-08-2014 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by McheleM (Post 4402847)
As a wife to a plumber, I can tell you that bottled water is no safer than tap water. Every year my husband has to take a continuing education class to maintain his license and every year he comes home and tells me horror stories.


Consider this.... They collect spring water and take it to their plant, where they clean it, and purify it. They add nothing to it. They also add nothing to kill bacteria, which is fine if you immediately open it and drink it, but you don't. They store it in their warehouse. Their heat of the summer warehouse. Then it gets loaded onto a box truck, where it's shipped across the US to different stores, again in the heat of summer or cold of winter, who knows?. Then, it's received at the store, where it sits in their warehouse, until time to put it on the shelf, where it again, sits. So there's no telling how long it's been since everything was stripped from your good, clean, spring water, including the good stuff, has been in the heat, how many warehouses and trucks it's been on, and how long it's been on the shelf in that store before you take it home and drink it. And it's been growing bacteria the entire time.

At least tap water has stuff in it to kill bacteria, but your best bet is to filter the tap water as you use it.


Oh, that went through my head years ago, they say spring water is better, In my mind I would say, yeah but how long has it been bottled before the consumer gets it. I will go with the filter. Thanks so much for your input. everyone's, advise, suggestions, experience's have been so helpful.

matese 03-08-2014 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Verbena (Post 4402887)
Side note.

A lot of people were displaced when Sandy came. The people went into shelters and there was no place to bring there pets. Sometimes even though we would never think of surrendering our fur babies, you are put in a position that you have to. I have friends that lost their homes and some still living in a hotel. And some have homes that are still not have been repaired or replaced. There was so much devastation.


I am very much aware of this, it was horrible, BUT, I would NEVER had put my dog in a shelter, unless one was recommended to me by my vet, I would have stayed in hotel / motel that took dogs, even if I had to go out of my area, I would had slept in my car with my dog rather then put her in a "strange" shelter. ppl do what needs to be done and I can understand that, the safety of my babies is # one priory, maybe I just love my dogs more then I should, but this is who I am. I don't blame the prev. owner, she was innocently ignorant, a first time dog owner, did what she was told, trusted the info. she was given, I have had dogs all my life, yorkies 30 + years, would I but a 2 y/o baby is a shelter!!!! NO, same with my dogs, where I go they go. Thank you for your reply.

matese 03-08-2014 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4402146)
My neighbor's dog had C-diff, and I believe mine did also, though it was never officially diagnosed. Also I've seen many people complaining of their dogs having diarrhea/soft stools with no help from their vets. Maybe this is becoming more common in the pet population and should be tested for sooner rather than later.




diarrhea/soft stools, is one thing, could be from something new they feed their baby, new treat, a bit of table food, when there is mucus and BLOOD in their stool that's an ISSUE. As margaritaville pointed out, Cody came from an area that was hit by hurricane sandy, was more then likely subjected to contaminated water. Wouldn't it be wonderful if this could be done............veterinary care, new meds, new treatments have progressed so greatly in the last 25 years it is AMAZING. Thank you for you heads up. All replies age greatly appreciated

navillusc 03-08-2014 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by McheleM (Post 4402847)
As a wife to a plumber, I can tell you that bottled water is no safer than tap water. Every year my husband has to take a continuing education class to maintain his license and every year he comes home and tells me horror stories.


Consider this.... They collect spring water and take it to their plant, where they clean it, and purify it. They add nothing to it. They also add nothing to kill bacteria, which is fine if you immediately open it and drink it, but you don't. They store it in their warehouse. Their heat of the summer warehouse. Then it gets loaded onto a box truck, where it's shipped across the US to different stores, again in the heat of summer or cold of winter, who knows?. Then, it's received at the store, where it sits in their warehouse, until time to put it on the shelf, where it again, sits. So there's no telling how long it's been since everything was stripped from your good, clean, spring water, including the good stuff, has been in the heat, how many warehouses and trucks it's been on, and how long it's been on the shelf in that store before you take it home and drink it. And it's been growing bacteria the entire time.

At least tap water has stuff in it to kill bacteria, but your best bet is to filter the tap water as you use it.

There is more to this as well. Plastics leech into the contents, and most filters do not remove much. Most are either particle or charcoal filters. particle filters will remove particles...sand, etc., within a certain size range...see the wrapper...charcoal filters improve the taste of chlorinated water. Improving the taste does not, however, improve the water. Fluoride added to the water can only be removed by three processes from what I have learned...reverse osmosis, ozonation, and distillation. Bottled water is tap water from 'somewhere' with unknown additives.

An ozonator or reverse osmosis system, even if only used for drinking water, should help prevent additional microbial infection. You can ozonate Gerber water, etc., and health food stores sell ozonated water, often in plastic bottles...which never made sense to me but distilled water is sold in plastic, too. We have bought ozonated water in gallon jugs, too...at the supermarket. I suggest reading the label on the water, strange as that sounds.

I am sorry you have endured so much, but understand what Cody means yo you. Poor baby has been through a lot himself and I understand your worry. I think it will not hurt to clean up his food and water, and hopefully quickly the rest of the answers will be discovered so he can recover from these issues.

Welcome and congratulations on finding your new best friend, the adorable Cody.

matese 03-08-2014 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by navillusc (Post 4402992)
There is more to this as well. Plastics leech into the contents, and most filters do not remove much. Most are either particle or charcoal filters. particle filters will remove particles...sand, etc., within a certain size range...see the wrapper...charcoal filters improve the taste of chlorinated water. Improving the taste does not, however, improve the water. Fluoride added to the water can only be removed by three processes from what I have learned...reverse osmosis, ozonation, and distillation. Bottled water is tap water from 'somewhere' with unknown additives.

An ozonator or reverse osmosis system, even if only used for drinking water, should help prevent additional microbial infection. You can ozonate Gerber water, etc., and health food stores sell ozonated water, often in plastic bottles...which never made sense to me but distilled water is sold in plastic, too. We have bought ozonated water in gallon jugs, too...at the supermarket. I suggest reading the label on the water, strange as that sounds.

I am sorry you have endured so much, but understand what Cody means yo you. Poor baby has been through a lot himself and I understand your worry. I think it will not hurt to clean up his food and water, and hopefully quickly the rest of the answers will be discovered so he can recover from these issues.

Welcome and congratulations on finding your new best friend, the adorable Cody.

How very nice of you to offer up this info. I’ve known for years about chemicals bleeding out from plastic. Yearsss ago I read not to feed dogs from plastic dishes, bowls, due to chemicals bleeding out into food and water, article read use, glass, ceramic or stainless steel ONLY, and that’s what I use. When I was advised (by an on line Nutritionist ) that tap water was TOXIC and to use bottled Spring water, well, my area only sells water in plastic jugs, so in my mind I am saying how can water in plastic jugs be less toxic then tap water, I did send a reply back about this. Only solution for me is a filter. I believe it’s the Purex Pitcher, several members suggested that, That’s what I will get my nx trip shopping. Cody is only 2 y/o just a baby, he has so many more years ahead of him. He was tossed to the curb by prev. owners, that LOVED HIM DEEPLY, for what reason, (which could be 3 that I know of) my heart is ripped out that could surrender this awesome lil pup. I want to give him the BEST and HAPPIEST life I can. Again thank you for this info and your concern for my lil cody




 

Lil Sis 03-08-2014 08:53 AM

This is a lot of interesting information to me. We used to have a reverse osmosis filters. I need to install one in our new house!!

I have a question about microwaving dog food. I often add pumpkin, some home cooked (a recipe that is vet approved) to my Sam's science hill kidney kibble.. and warm it up. Is that bad?

matese 03-08-2014 09:27 AM

Thank you Teri for your very kind words. Yes, 3 deaths in 7 weeks was more then over whelming for me, the 3 I loved MOST in this world are gone. I am soooo happy you found something for kitty to put him back on track. Loosing a loved pet is like loosing a child, the pain in your heart is not less when its a pet... My vet uses a oriental herb, writing is so tiny its hard to read the label ...its JING TANG herbal dietary supplement. She travels all over giving speeches and seminars on this. I will stick with her until she tells me she has done all that she can do, and Cody still has this infection. I am not going to loose this little boy, I will go, do, see who ever, where ever to cure this lil imp. He's just a baby 2 y/o, has many years ahead of him. I will go to the extreme to see if he can get cured. Again, thank you for this posting, it means a lot to me.

matese 03-08-2014 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Lil Sis (Post 4403031)
This is a lot of interesting information to me. We used to have a reverse osmosis filters. I need to install one in our new house!!

I have a question about microwaving dog food. I often add pumpkin, some home cooked (a recipe that is vet approved) to my Sam's science hill kidney kibble.. and warm it up. Is that bad?


I was in touch with an on line nutritionist who advised NO NOT MICRO WAVE the dogs food. I use my lap top when I come on YT, the nutritionist info I have on my desk top. I can see if I can copy what she wrote, sometimes micro soft windows will not allow me to copy things from on line. What she wrote about micro waving dogs food made 100% sense to me, Cody was eating cooked rice, I would boil one cup of rice, that makes a lot of cooked rice lol, at meal time I took his portion out of the frig, nooked it for 10 seconds only, well I stopped micro waving, used the ole fashion way lol, fry pan on stove. I will see later today if I can copy this about micro waving. Until I can do this, I would advise you not to micro wave anything for your pup, put it in a small fry pan to warm it up.

McheleM 03-08-2014 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil Sis (Post 4403031)
This is a lot of interesting information to me. We used to have a reverse osmosis filters. I need to install one in our new house!!

I have a question about microwaving dog food. I often add pumpkin, some home cooked (a recipe that is vet approved) to my Sam's science hill kidney kibble.. and warm it up. Is that bad?

I think microwaving for a seconds is healthier than letting it sit out on the counter to get room temp, and grow bacteria.

Can you possibly put it in a bag, and immerse the bag into a bowl of hot water (like warming a babies bottle) to warm it up??

Yorkiemom1 03-08-2014 12:17 PM

I am not sure what the big deal is about heating dog food/ formula in the microwave except:
**heating in some plastic containers causes the plastic to leak harmful chemicals into the food.... So I heat in glass bowls!
**you get "hot spots" in the food, and while it may be nicely warm in one spot, it is scalding on the bottom. I always stir anything I am heating for my dogs, with my finger, so I know and evenly disperse the "hot spots"....
I also heat gently, 10 seconds at a time....
If there is another concern about heating in the microwave, I need to know! Please share!

kjc 03-08-2014 12:29 PM

I always boiled water in an electric kettle and added it to their food to warm it up.


http://www.mercola.com/article/microwave/hazards2.htm

navillusc 03-08-2014 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil Sis (Post 4403031)
This is a lot of interesting information to me. We used to have a reverse osmosis filters. I need to install one in our new house!!

I have a question about microwaving dog food. I often add pumpkin, some home cooked (a recipe that is vet approved) to my Sam's science hill kidney kibble.. and warm it up. Is that bad?

I got rid of my microwave oven when I learned how dangerous it is to eat microwaved food. A lot of people I have talked to about mictowaved food experience digestive issues when eating anything microwaved.

Plastic is especially dangerous to nuke with food and metal is out, of course. Oh, and nuking veggies creates plant alkaloids even if you only defrost...dangerous for any length of time, as I understand it.

Chlorine is bad to consume...better to boil water to kill microbes unless it is an emergency...like a flood or hurricane to my knowledge.

navillusc 03-08-2014 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matese (Post 4403028)
How very nice of you to offer up this info. I’ve known for years about chemicals bleeding out from plastic. Yearsss ago I read not to feed dogs from plastic dishes, bowls, due to chemicals bleeding out into food and water, article read use, glass, ceramic or stainless steel ONLY, and that’s what I use. When I was advised (by an on line Nutritionist ) that tap water was TOXIC and to use bottled Spring water, well, my area only sells water in plastic jugs, so in my mind I am saying how can water in plastic jugs be less toxic then tap water, I did send a reply back about this. Only solution for me is a filter. I believe it’s the Purex Pitcher, several members suggested that, That’s what I will get my nx trip shopping. Cody is only 2 y/o just a baby, he has so many more years ahead of him. He was tossed to the curb by prev. owners, that LOVED HIM DEEPLY, for what reason, (which could be 3 that I know of) my heart is ripped out that could surrender this awesome lil pup. I want to give him the BEST and HAPPIEST life I can. Again thank you for this info and your concern for my lil cody

You are welcome. :)

I cannot understand Cody losing a loving home either...but now he truly has a loving home.

Depending on the area, drinking water can have a number of chemical additives including chlorine, fluoride, aluminum, and more. None are good, but a 'reason' will be offered for each...should a person choose to just believe and not fact check. ;)




matese 03-08-2014 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4403132)
I am not sure what the big deal is about heating dog food/ formula in the microwave except:
**heating in some plastic containers causes the plastic to leak harmful chemicals into the food.... So I heat in glass bowls!
**you get "hot spots" in the food, and while it may be nicely warm in one spot, it is scalding on the bottom. I always stir anything I am heating for my dogs, with my finger, so I know and evenly disperse the "hot spots"....
I also heat gently, 10 seconds at a time....
If there is another concern about heating in the microwave, I need to know! Please share!


This is what I got from a on line web-site nutritionist




Do you microwave your pet's meals?


Microwave changes the molecular structure of foods and water so anything that is heated by a microwave becomes toxic to the body. The violent change that microwaving causes to the food molecules creates new life forms called radiolytic compounds. These are mutations that are unknown in the natural world. Ordinary cooking also causes the formation of some radiolytic compounds, which is no doubt one reason why it is better to feed your pet plenty of raw food, but microwave cooking causes a much greater number of these compounds. This then causes deterioration of the blood and immune system. In addition, they found that the number of leucocytes increases after feeding pets microwaved food-something which hematologists take very seriously, because this is often a sign of highly harmful effects, such as poisoning. Also, after feeding microwave food, cholesterol levels increased. Please do not even heat water in a microwave



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