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sportschick 10-27-2013 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4339540)
Medication was created to treat illnesses and painful or irritating conditions and should only be used to treat a medical condition - otherwise giving medication to any creature is not to be condoned or is even considered ethical - especially for the giver's own convenience when other pet/child-friendly methods of handling a pet or child are available. As a person disabled by a bad back, I can tell you all about it. I cannot believe that people would drug or dope their pet or child - it is unthinkable to most parents of dogs or little humans.

It is unconscionable to give an animal a medication with side effects - drowsiness/sedation/loss of consciousness, lethargy, rapid heart rate, nausea/vomiting, dizziness, etc., just for your own personal convenience. If a vet prescribes the medication for a dog's own symptoms such as itching, that use of medication is ethical and benefits the actual dog himself - relieving him from symptoms. But to dose/drug a dog and gork his head out so that he passes out while you rest up is beyond the pale to many doglovers.

If you dog or child was inconvenient for any reason, such as you had missed a couple of night's sleep and needed a nap one evening, the neighbors who dislike dogs are coming to visit or you needed to study - would you drug the dog or child for that, too? Why even have a pet or child if you put them to sleep when they become inconvenient to you? That animal or child is looking to his owner/parent for love, his total care and well-being and dosing him when times are bad is not in the little one's own best interest ever. And any vet that agrees with you - and no doubt some will - should be drummed out of business. It is unthinkable to drug little creatures in our charge to the point of losing consciousness when they are inconvenient to our lives.

Ahhh, my dog didn't lose consiousness, she just got tired, which is what Benadryl does.

And can still haven't answered MY QUESTION as to HOW Benadryl is different from the ONE time I gave it to her to calm her as opposed to it being given to her EVERY NIGHT. She is going to, as you said gork out, but that will happen every night if I give it to her for her allergies. Which, as you have not addresed, I am NOT going to do.

And do you have kids?

yakkwak 10-27-2013 05:26 PM

Probably not going to convince your objectors otherwise. Intent and purpose DO matter. Just as an example (word emphasis here): a pain physician prescribes opiates to patient with instructions to take PRN (as needed only) for pain. On week one, patient takes as prescribed for purpose - legitimate pain. On week two, patient is healing and no longer experiencing pain at level requiring opiates. However, it was a crappy week for patient and patient wishes to diminish emotional distress so takes prescribed pain med. That would be a violation of the physician-patient agreement and would be classified as medication abuse, legally and morally. You already expressed regret, so take the large amount of feedback that was provided in a respectful manner. We all make mistakes.
Huge sigh.
Still hope you feel better.
Signed,
a mom of human and fur-babies: the distinction is irrelevant.

ladyjane 10-27-2013 05:29 PM

I have merely glanced at this thread off and on because someone keeps bumping it, but all I can say is that your reason given was just not a reason that I would medicate one of my pups. I have multiple medical issues including a horrible back and it has never occurred to me to make my pups alter their behaviors to suit me and I sure as heck would not medicate them for it. If it ever came to the point that I felt I had to medicate them because of *me* or *my problems* then I would think it was time to find a way to change the entire situation. The effect that Benadryl might have is not the point....it is the reason stated that I find troublesome.

ladyjane 10-27-2013 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by yakkwak (Post 4339553)
Probably not going to convince your objectors otherwise. Intent and purpose DO matter. Just as an example (word emphasis here): a pain physician prescribes opiates to patient with instructions to take PRN (as needed only) for pain. On week one, patient takes as prescribed for purpose - legitimate pain. On week two, patient is healing and no longer experiencing pain at level requiring opiates. However, it was a crappy week for patient and patient wishes to diminish emotional distress so takes prescribed pain med. That would be a violation of the physician-patient agreement and would be classified as medication abuse, legally and morally. You already expressed regret, so take the large amount of feedback that was provided in a respectful manner. We all make mistakes.
Huge sigh.
Still hope you feel better.
Signed,
a mom of human and fur-babies: the distinction is irrelevant.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

yorkietalkjilly 10-27-2013 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sportschick (Post 4339548)
Ahhh, my dog didn't lose consiousness, she just got tired, which is what Benadryl does.

And can still haven't answered MY QUESTION as to HOW Benadryl is different from the ONE time I gave it to her to calm her as opposed to it being given to her EVERY NIGHT. She is going to, as you said gork out, but that will happen every night if I give it to her for her allergies. Which, as you have not addresed, I am NOT going to do.

And do you have kids?

It's the ethical ease with which you drug your dog for your convenience that is the huge problem. Drug them for one situation when they are inconvenient - despite the affect to their dog's body - it's organs, liver, etc. - when the dog didn't need it at all - and you will find it easy to dope it for another inconvenience. It is an abusive way to treat an animal in your control - dosing it with un-needed medication that is intended only for the treatment or prevention of valid medical problems. Any person that uses medications with so cavalier an attitude for the dog's well-being and such self-indulgent consideration of their own convenience is overlooking an ethical problem that they have: Doping an innocent animal with a drug for convenience-sake only and no consideration of the dog and whether or not it was in his best interest. It is wrong and I pity animals or children of owners or parents who dope with such righteous indignation as yours when others disagree with arbitrarily treating unwilling innocents this way.

As for gorking her out every night for her allergies, I would find a vet specialist and take steps to find out what my dog was allergic to rather than treat it to a nightly drugging. It may be something that a simple change in diet or bathing in a certain shampoo could treat without the doping.

Yes, I have children.

wemple2 10-27-2013 07:00 PM

I just don't even know what to say in response to this...what part of don't drug your dog for your convenience do you not understand? Really? smh...

Magnus 10-27-2013 07:30 PM

I use the emu oil on both Magnus and Zoey. It doesn't make either of their coats greasy. I've been using for about 2-3 years I think and their coat is very soft and I can tell their skin isn't dry. :)

As for accupuncture... I think it really depends on how good the accupuncturist is. My mom's been to quite a few and she only found ONE that worked for her. He uses those HUGE needles.

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Originally Posted by sportschick (Post 4339340)
I actually do mix the fish oil into her food every day. I will check into the Emu Oil to spritz her with. My question is though, does that make her coat greasy? I know Emu Oil is very good for people skin so I would imagine it would be good for doggie skin as well!

Acupuncture never worked for me for my back. Has worked for other ailments though. Yes, I actually am going to get a massage. There are tons of Groupons and Living Social type deals for massages, so I can get a couple for very short money. Massages have helped me in the past!


Magnus 10-27-2013 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4339574)

As for gorking her out every night for her allergies, I would find a vet specialist and take steps to find out what my dog was allergic to rather than treat it to a nightly drugging. It may be something that a simple change in diet or bathing in a certain shampoo could treat without the doping.

Yes, I have children.

Question on testing for allergies but this might be totally out of the field... I've heard from someone that allergies tests aren't 100% accurate. At least for humans that is. I think I heard skin tests were more precise though.. Does this apply when it comes to dog allergy tests also?

Sunnydayz 10-27-2013 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by yakkwak (Post 4339553)
Probably not going to convince your objectors otherwise. Intent and purpose DO matter. Just as an example (word emphasis here): a pain physician prescribes opiates to patient with instructions to take PRN (as needed only) for pain. On week one, patient takes as prescribed for purpose - legitimate pain. On week two, patient is healing and no longer experiencing pain at level requiring opiates. However, it was a crappy week for patient and patient wishes to diminish emotional distress so takes prescribed pain med. That would be a violation of the physician-patient agreement and would be classified as medication abuse, legally and morally. You already expressed regret, so take the large amount of feedback that was provided in a respectful manner. We all make mistakes.
Huge sigh.
Still hope you feel better.
Signed,
a mom of human and fur-babies: the distinction is irrelevant.


I too have severe medical problems with paralysis, as well as 5 plates, 14 screws and artificial bone in my sacrum from my spinal cord surgery. I totally agree no medication should be abused, nor misused for un intended purposes.

I go to pain management every month, and I always tell my dr that I want to be on the least amount of medications as possible, using some topical ones instead of increasing dosage of oral meds. I have animals, a grown daughter who I never even considered giving a medication too, to make things easier for me, I also have 2 grand daughters and this would never happen to them.

Medication should only be used for it's rx'd reason, and never for somebody else's benefit. I actually live in more pain then most would tolerate, but choose pain over side effects of the meds. People reach to easily for medication o make their lives easier one way or other, and is becoming far to common now days.

Sportschick, did you go to the link I posted of my blog, that tells about my spinal cord surgery and how it destroyed who I was? I really think you should read it. I'm not down paying your pain in any way, but I can tell you I thought my pain was bad until it was really really bad, then I understood how much better off I was before losing so much of my life. I gave many suggestions as alternatives to knocking your dog out with a med, but you shot everyone of them down, then told me I was Lucky to have such a good dog. He's only 4 1/2 months old and is far from being trained all the way. Let me ask you this, if it was you and someone gave you a drug, without your consent because you don't have a voice to say no, and then it made you feel groggy, would you be angry at that person for doing that to you? I am sure you would.

People her keep telling you that it's not the med you gave, but the reason you did it is what they ave issue with. It's different if a dr says give this med for this symptom, then you deciding hey I don't feel good, so I will pay dr and give my dog this medicine for my own benefit no matter that e did not need it. I know that is what I have issue with.

MomtoJasper 10-27-2013 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunnydayz (Post 4339636)
I too have severe medical problems with paralysis, as well as 5 plates, 14 screws and artificial bone in my sacrum from my spinal cord surgery. I totally agree no medication should be abused, nor misused for un intended purposes.

I go to pain management every month, and I always tell my dr that I want to be on the least amount of medications as possible, using some topical ones instead of increasing dosage of oral meds. I have animals, a grown daughter who I never even considered giving a medication too, to make things easier for me, I also have 2 grand daughters and this would never happen to them.

Medication should only be used for it's rx'd reason, and never for somebody else's benefit. I actually live in more pain then most would tolerate, but choose pain over side effects of the meds. People reach to easily for medication o make their lives easier one way or other, and is becoming far to common now days.

Sportschick, did you go to the link I posted of my blog, that tells about my spinal cord surgery and how it destroyed who I was? I really think you should read it. I'm not down paying your pain in any way, but I can tell you I thought my pain was bad until it was really really bad, then I understood how much better off I was before losing so much of my life. I gave many suggestions as alternatives to knocking your dog out with a med, but you shot everyone of them down, then told me I was Lucky to have such a good dog. He's only 4 1/2 months old and is far from being trained all the way. Let me ask you this, if it was you and someone gave you a drug, without your consent because you don't have a voice to say no, and then it made you feel groggy, would you be angry at that person for doing that to you? I am sure you would.

People her keep telling you that it's not the med you gave, but the reason you did it is what they ave issue with. It's different if a dr says give this med for this symptom, then you deciding hey I don't feel good, so I will pay dr and give my dog this medicine for my own benefit no matter that e did not need it. I know that is what I have issue with.

I could not have worded this better. I too have chronic pain and see a pain management doctor once per month. I spend about 90% of my days in the bed with one, sometimes two, heating pads going at any given time. Jasper loves fetch. We have a ramp for him and we play fetch or tug of war on the bed. These pups are not hard to please. They just need love and attention. OP, I would hope that some of the suggestions mentioned on this thread have helped you to know what to do instead of giving medicine to put your pup to sleep when you are having a bad day with your back. I do hope you feel better soon and that it isn't anything permanent. Take care of yourself so that you can take care of your baby.:)

sportschick 10-30-2013 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MomtoJasper (Post 4339656)
I could not have worded this better. I too have chronic pain and see a pain management doctor once per month. I spend about 90% of my days in the bed with one, sometimes two, heating pads going at any given time. Jasper loves fetch. We have a ramp for him and we play fetch or tug of war on the bed. These pups are not hard to please. They just need love and attention. OP, I would hope that some of the suggestions mentioned on this thread have helped you to know what to do instead of giving medicine to put your pup to sleep when you are having a bad day with your back. I do hope you feel better soon and that it isn't anything permanent. Take care of yourself so that you can take care of your baby.:)

I cannot even imagine spending 90 percent of my day in bed with my dog. And you think that is good? Dogs need EXERCISE. And yes, they are hard to please beacause they need and REQUIRE exercise. Love and attention are wonderful and she gets that a lot. But she needs to be a DOG and run around. Hence my decision to stop her from doing that for one night.

So, how do all of you that don't provide your dogs with the same level of exercise that I PROVIDE MY DOG feel about that? A lot of you have insulted me for doing something to keep my dog quite for one night. Well guess what, I think that you people are wrong for finding ways to NOT exericse your dogs for many nights.

That being said, I am very sorry for all the people on this site that have serious physical limitations. And I know that you are doing the best you can. BUT, if I had serious physical limitations, I would not have a Yorkie as they require a ton of exercise. I am not going to insult you guys the way you insulted me, but I really would like to.

ladyjane 10-30-2013 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sportschick (Post 4340980)
I cannot even imagine spending 90 percent of my day in bed with my dog. And you think that is good? Dogs need EXERCISE. And yes, they are hard to please beacause they need and REQUIRE exercise. Love and attention are wonderful and she gets that a lot. But she needs to be a DOG and run around. Hence my decision to stop her from doing that for one night.

So, how do all of you that don't provide your dogs with the same level of exercise that I PROVIDE MY DOG feel about that? A lot of you have insulted me for doing something to keep my dog quite for one night. Well guess what, I think that you people are wrong for finding ways to NOT exericse your dogs for many nights.

That being said, I am very sorry for all the people on this site that have serious physical limitations. And I know that you are doing the best you can. BUT, if I had serious physical limitations, I would not have a Yorkie as they require a ton of exercise. I am not going to insult you guys the way you insulted me, but I really would like to.

Let us remember that YOU are the one coming here claiming to have drugged your pup. I have to wonder what your thoughts were when you posted that. I have actually wondered if it was not out of a desire to be controversial. Perhaps not, but I am wondering yet again.

As to your ridiculous comments now throwing trash at people....just that ridiculous.

wemple2 10-30-2013 05:27 PM

In reality yorkies really don't require a huge amount of exercise. Just their constant running around the house and or yard is usually enough to keep a yorkie in good health. Winston loves to run and play and enjoys his backyard...and an occasional walk. He will entertain himself for hours...

ColesMommy01 10-30-2013 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sportschick (Post 4340980)
I cannot even imagine spending 90 percent of my day in bed with my dog. And you think that is good? Dogs need EXERCISE. And yes, they are hard to please beacause they need and REQUIRE exercise. Love and attention are wonderful and she gets that a lot. But she needs to be a DOG and run around. Hence my decision to stop her from doing that for one night.

So, how do all of you that don't provide your dogs with the same level of exercise that I PROVIDE MY DOG feel about that? A lot of you have insulted me for doing something to keep my dog quite for one night. Well guess what, I think that you people are wrong for finding ways to NOT exericse your dogs for many nights.

That being said, I am very sorry for all the people on this site that have serious physical limitations. And I know that you are doing the best you can. BUT, if I had serious physical limitations, I would not have a Yorkie as they require a ton of exercise. I am not going to insult you guys the way you insulted me, but I really would like to.




I understand why you would feel that way. Thankfully I haven't suffered the type of injury that you have. But I think it's safe to say most people on this forum have had crappy days or even weeks(whether physical or emotional) where they haven't felt "up to" playing/interacting with their pups/people. I have a 5 year old that requires constant attention and two pups as well as a husband who acts as if he can't clean up after himself at times:rolleyes: but at no point would I give my dogs or my child something that they didn't need or other than its intended use drug wise to make things easier on me. But that is just my personal experience. I can't judge you for what you did I can just say if I would/wouldn't do it. But I do seriously hope you feel better and dont take people's comments(if you find them negative) to heart. Get better but not only for your pup but for yourself! You know your physical limitations, don't push yourself past that or you could prolong your recovery. If you're unable to interact with her for playtime crate her, tell her you're tired(she'll either play by herself or lay down next to you), let a friend/family member keep her or take her for walks. You dont have to explain yourself to anyone on this forum and I don't really think you'll be able to change anyone's mind. Get well, stay cool, and have a HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!!

sportschick 10-30-2013 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4340989)
Let us remember that YOU are the one coming here claiming to have drugged your pup. I have to wonder what your thoughts were when you posted that. I have actually wondered if it was not out of a desire to be controversial. Perhaps not, but I am wondering yet again.

As to your ridiculous comments now throwing trash at people....just that ridiculous.

Yes, I realized after I posted the thread that it probably wasn't the best idea to say I drugged my dog. But, I THOUGHT that after I EXPLAINED myself and asked for some help it would be o.k. Apparently not. Since I have gotten so many sanctimonious replies about how bad I am and how so much better all of you people are who post here on a daily basis. And that you people are SO much better at taking care of your dogs than I am.

I came here looking fore help and all I got was a bunch of SH!!!T about Benadryl. I am really disappointed about this site and the people that I have counted on for information for the past 2 years.

As a matter of fact, I am thinking about just ending my membership. I am really hurt and again disappointed at the responses that I have gotten. Again, maybe I should have worded things differently, but I thought that people here were intelligent and knowledgeable enough to figure out what I was trying to say.


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