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Clicker training is it best? Sooo i did the petco class and it was ok it was kinda a waste but i think i was soley think it would train the dog but it just gives u ways and commands to use not to mention it only once a week so now i back to traning bent by myself i wanted to try clicker traning or is that not as effective as keys words like YES...the trainer say not to use a clicker because its just too much to have in your hands and u dont want them to get attached to the clicker what do u guys think? |
We tried the clicker but I just wasn't in to it. I give Callie a treat when she does good and tell her she is a good girl. |
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I gave the clicker training a try and once even used a squeaker in stead of the clicker. The pups didn't seem to respond to either of them as well as they did simple firm voice commands. You don't always have to use treats to reward for good behavior. I believe that it helps at the start of the training session to get their attention and than again at the end to reward them for a job well done. I don't think that treats should be used each and every time your pup does what is asked of them. Especially the tiny ones because those treats can consume their appetite and than you wonder why aren't they eating. |
Clicker training is great when used correctly. I think people have this misunderstanding that you're always supposed to have a clicker on you, or the dog won't listen. A clicker is simply a way of teaching tricks, commands or complex behaviors, and once the dog knows and understands, is no longer necessary. I mostly taught Jackson without a clicker very successfully. I didn't use a clicker until I wanted to train more complex behaviors and I find it helps him know EXACTLY what I want because the clicker is more precise than human voice and will always sound the same, and if your timing is right, they will know what they did at the exact split second is what you want of them. Check out Zakgeorge21 on youtube. I love his method of training and it's how I've always trained Jackson. He calls it relationship-based training. |
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Tibbe was distracted by the clicking sound so it didn't work with him. I used "yes" and a smile to mark correct behavior, then praise/treat w/in 3 seconds. |
I've had my pup for three days and he's learned sit, down and speak with the clicker! Should have I taught him to speak????? He's a very smart pup and were lucky to have three labs to potty train him. He likes going out with the big dogs! |
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I don't like the Clicker because... 1) I don't like someone else to just be able to pick up a device and control my animals. I think it's basically used for simple commands, but, I still don't like that. 2) What if you loose it ? Do those Classes teach Verbal backup commands, and to what extent. And if you're going to have Verbal commands, why use the Clicker at all. 3) Even with someone who is Verbally Challenged, that person could still rely on Visual (hand) Signals to communicate with his animal. 4) I can see it being of value for an Invalid person to summon his animal. But wouldn't a Bell be as useful, more customary, and have much greater range than a Clicker? |
I love the clicker for teaching new tricks. Joel learns new stuff really fast when I have the clicker, that's all I use it for. As for training a puppy, I wouldn't use it yet. |
Every time I clicked it, Tibbe would look at it all excited and want to play with it. He thought that clicker hung the moon as a toy and I think he thought clicking sound was it challenging him to play! He'd try to get it. He was already used to my training methods and my "yes" to mark but if I were going to teach him more difficult tasks or tricks, I might very well try a different kind of clicker to see if that were somehow better than my "yes". |
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I clicker trained my Pom Teddy, at petsmart and will probably do the same with Draco. Though the way some of you guys describe makes me wonder why you guys think the clicker is being used... When I took Teddy it was to pinpoint the thing I wanted him to do. The class still used commands w/ hand signals and gave praise and treats when did the action correctly. It's not like some kind of remote or anything, just something that helps when first learning a trick. And knowing what you want faster. I think it's great for puppies and dogs with short attention spans and lots of energy. When it comes to tricks/commands like "Watch me" or "Leave it" it was great to have the clicker as it pinpointed at the half second of eye contact is what I was rewarding him for when teaching him "watch me". Also Teddy was never attached to the clicker, after I felt like he knew what I want, we'd practice it without the clicker, then just hand signals. I think it's definitely depends on the dog, I was giving commands with Draco w/o a clicker and he did well. But seemed to do even better when I bought the clicker. I want to put him in group classes only to help with concentration, distractions, obeying with other dogs and people around since I live alone. |
How long How long do you guys think it takes for your babies to learn new tricks i started on shake with bentley yesterday but it seemed more of me take his paw rewarding and sayin yes he did seem to try to me.what do you guys think? |
I totally taught Tibbe to shake without treats by just reaching down and taking his paw, saying "Shake" and shaking it. Then I would take the other paw, say "Shake" and shake it. I did that over and over and over for 3-10 times x3 daily for about two or three days and one time I reached down to take his first paw into my hand and he raised his own paw first. I grinned, said "yes", took the offered paw and shook it and then shoot the other one. Before too much longer he was offering one paw, I'd say "shake" and then "yes", we shake and I'm smile and reach for the other which he was already offering and I would repeat the "shake", say "yes" as I'd shake the offered paw, smile and start over with reaching for the first paw again, which he was offering. Eventually I did start to give him a treat after a few shakes but this is one trick he learned entirely by just repetition, smiling, keeping it fun and him wanting to please. To teach him to "High Five", I just held my hand up very high with a treat nearby and he reached up high to no doubt offer a shake but I said "yes" when I hit his paw back instead of shaking it and praised him. It took him back a bit but in time, he was on board with offering his paw high up and hitting it against mine instead of shaking when I said "High Five" and then going on to the other paw for the same. So I raise my hand up high, say "High Five" as the command, we hit paw to hand, I say "yes" to mark and then praise. Eventually you cut out the "yes" marking word as they no longer need it - just the command, the trick and the praise and treat. But this one trick I just taught him sitting around whenever he was near and we could have a little repetition time. Now he'll come dancing across the floor on only 3 legs with one paw raised up high when you offer a high hand flattened out toward him and say "High Five"! He just loves doing it. And he still shakes when you put your hand down low and/or say "Shake". We High Five a lot during ball games on TV! |
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Callie learns very fast and can pick up the basics of a command in 10 to 20 minutes no joke then we just work on her being better at it every day. She knows sit, lay, shake/high five with both paws, beg, roll over, jump through the hoop, spin, go to bed, poo and pee (yes I consider this tricks lol) after I get over being sick we are going to work on more tricks. |
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It took a year for Tibbe to learn to sit up and beg. Course I missed some whole months at a time of training him as he was just so poor at it and seemed to haven't enough strength or balance or something to stay up. But one day he got it, he stayed up for a long time and we were each so proud! He finally got it and can often stay up for quite a time. |
So happy Omg guys i took in everything u said i didnt get s clicker justbdid the positive reinforcement and yes and bentley now knows shake im so happyyy |
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And big congratulations, by the way!!! :) |
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It is such a rewarding feeling of success. . :D |
I know some people love clicker training but it never would have worked for Gracie since she is not really food motivated. When she was young I had a hard time getting her to eat her food so filling her up on treats would not have been a good thing as far as getting her to eat what she was supposed to eat. Any kind of training just takes a lot of repetition and reward. They do need to learn key words and phrases and praise and reward are good ways of reinforcing the right behavior. Training has to be done on a daily basis and you have to keep reenforcing the training once they learn. Once class isn't enough to train a dog. A class is to teach the owner what to do on a daily basis in order to communicate with the dog. |
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1. Not anyone can just grab a clicker and your dog magically obeys them. The clicker is not some mystical device that makes you capable of controlling all dogs in the universe. It's simply a training tool. My sister is 5 years old and likes to play with the clicker -- she will be clicking away and he doesn't even care or go running to her. He understands when we're in 'training mode'. 2. If you lose it, it's no big deal, because it's not something you carry with you 24/7. You don't NEED a clicker in order for the dog to listen to you. You're only supposed to use it in the initial stages of training a trick or command anyway. And if you have established that bond and connection with your dog, it's not going to be a problem. Jackson and I have a fantastic communication system built, so a lack of a clicker is not deter-mental to a training session. 3. Not really sure what you're asking here, but I have used a clicker and also use voice and hand signals at the same time. It works for us, because as I said, we have a great bond already and he's good at reading what I want. 4. "Summon your animal"? That's not the point of a clicker. A clicker is not supposed to be a 'call' for your dog. In other words, doing a 'click' in one room while your dog is in the other is not supposed to cause your dog to jump up and come when called. That's NOT the purpose of a clicker. 'Clicker training' really should be called something else -- like 'marker training'. Using your voice, saying 'yes', etc, is still essentially 'clicker training'. People have this misconception about a 'clicker' and that you have to have it on you at all times or the dog won't listen, but that's completely not the point. |
Positive reinforement and treats worked for us in obedience training, but I found clicker training somewhat irritating in a class setting, and all those clickers going off at once can be confusing for some dogs. I've even seen a few shy dogs and their owners drop out of agility, the dog refusing to enter the building because they were so fearful of the sound, so I wouldn't recommend it for every dog. Having said that, I do use the clicker at home when teaching Guinness' complex tricks. One thing I would like to share… young pups are more visual learners at first than they are verbal. In puppy class we are taught to say the command and combine it with giving a hand signals thinking they understand both, but do they? We were in a advance class of twenty dogs one day, when the trainer stopped us midway and had everyone stand 3 feet in front of their dogs. People were told to put their hands in their pocket and instructed not to move any part of our body, the only thing we were allowed to to do was to talk. We cycled through the basic commands verbally- sit, down, stand follow by stay, come and finish. At the end of that exercise, we were told only 3 out of 20 dogs understood all verbal commands, that if you were standing behind your dog giving a verbal command, do not yell or get frustrated with your dog because he/she did not do what you've asked, because they can't see the hand signal behind them and don't understand you what you ask of them, that it is not their fault. People were stunned. It was a valuable learning experience. I've always believe that dog training classes are really more for people and that we are responsible for what our dogs learn, bad or good. Be kind, positive and make it fun. |
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