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bjh 06-21-2013 03:40 PM
Over the years I have seen some small yorkies in the show ring. Some that are in the 4 to 5 lb range do become champions. I don't know of any under 4 lbs but I guess it is possible.

capt_noonie 06-21-2013 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4251163)
Honestly, when people in normal life say 'teacup' it doesn't really bother me anymore. It's just something that people are using to describe a smaller sized dog and they just simply don't know. And typically it's not worth explaining.

And I have NEVER heard the word 'teapot' used in real life. It's a TOTAL joke lol. And to be honest, I've seen people state on here "oh your dog is a teapot" in a serious post and that kind of annoys me too because new people that come on here will probably think it's a real thing, haha. I would never say to someone who asks 'oh, he's a teapot yorkie'. hahaha.

I get the size thing to a point. I personally will never own a dog under 10-12lbs. It's just not my thing. But I understand some love having these tiny dogs. To me it's just a matter of safety. If you are seeking out a dog that grows no bigger than 3lbs, honestly just get a guinea pig.
I usually do explain, bc people either ask me "Is Uni a teacup? I want to get one like her" or "I want a yorkie like Uni, but instead I want a teacup". In either case, whether they think Uni is teacup or not, they are letting me know they want to buy a yorkie. So I feel it's my duty to let them know. I usually tell them the quick version. Only breeders who breed for money will label their pups "teacup" and then they will charge you $2000+. After I say $2000 I usually get the :eek: face and then they are willing to listen more. Most are not ok with spending even $1000 for a yorkie, and this is Orange county, CA.

Lovetodream88 06-21-2013 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4251198)
Right and I now know that thanks to you all :p but I don't understand why the AKC has a bottom weight on their website :confused: I feel like that can get really confusing and, not to bash the AKC at all I love everything they do for our pups, if it's this really high registry shouldn't they have the correct weights on their page? :2omg:
Like I said before on the part of there website where it lists each thing about the Yorkshire terrier under weight it say not to exceed 7 pounds so apparently its only some of there website.

Lovetodream88 06-21-2013 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4251234)
I usually do explain, bc people either ask me "Is Uni a teacup? I want to get one like her" or "I want a yorkie like Uni, but instead I want a teacup". In either case, whether they think Uni is teacup or not, they are letting me know they want to buy a yorkie. So I feel it's my duty to let them know. I usually tell them the quick version. Only breeders who breed for money will label their pups "teacup" and then they will charge you $2000+. After I say $2000 I usually get the :eek: face and then they are willing to listen more. Most are not ok with spending even $1000 for a yorkie, and this is Orange county, CA.
Do you ever meet the housewives of Orange County? Lol :D I had to ask.

OwnedByJezebel 06-21-2013 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4251196)
right and that's what I was trying to say...I'm really bad with words if you all haven't figured it out yet haha. So is a 3lber aloud in the ring?
They would be allowed in the ring, but there wouldn't be any point in it. Since the YTCA and reputable breeders won't breed a female under 5 lbs, why go to the time and expense of championing a dog that won't be used in a breeding program.

Now for males, I'm not sure if the like them at a minimum weight or not for going in the ring.

I have heard show people say they will not bring a dog into the ring that has more than 2 or 3 faults. All dogs, even champions, have faults when compared to the breed standard. You can even bring a Yorkie into the ring that is larger than 7 lbs, and if they are not too much over and they are otherwise a great example compared to the standard, they could potentially be championed.

capt_noonie 06-21-2013 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4251251)
Do you ever meet the housewives of Orange County? Lol :D I had to ask.
You know I don't watch that trash, so even if I did, I wouldn't know. But let me tell you, lots of people down here think they are on that show, or should be. They are in certain richie rich cities. Not where I live, can't afford that. I guess those are the people that would brag about paying $2500 for a micro yorkie. But the majority of us mere "peons" would never pay that much.

Lou 06-21-2013 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by chattiesmom (Post 4249045)
One of the big differences between the two terms is the intent with which the term is used. Teapot is a loving term given to a Yorkie who is over the standard of 7 lbs, usually given by the Teapot's owner. It is NOT used as a marketing technique to scam individuals into paying more for a Yorkie. I've never ever seen or heard of a breeder advertising a Teapot for more $$ than for a standard 7 lb. and under Yorkie.

Teacup, on the other hand, is used as a marketing term to make prospective buyers to believe that the smaller Yorkies are somehow more valuable and justifies the breeder charging more $$.

Teacup is one of the few terms ignorant shoppers recognize.

sugarmamma 06-21-2013 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4251195)
I get that...maybe I'm not explaining myself correctly...let me try this again:

What I am referring to are breeders whos dam is say 6lbs and have a puppy that was ESTIMATED (i know no one knows adult weight) to be 2lbs.

that part that I bolded made perfect sense :thumbup:
I would just call him/her a smaller yorkie. Mine are 3 1/2 pounds and 4 pounds. I don't torture myself with categorizing my babies. They are my babies. Period. My dogs have never mentioned once that I grew larger than they expected :eek: :hide2:

gracielove 06-21-2013 04:54 PM
OP, I honestly don't understand your issue. Have you personally run into people who have insulted your puppy or your breeder? You have a puppy. At this stage you don't even know what size your pup will be when she is done growing.

If you know people that realize that the term "tea cup" is related to BYB's and puppy mills then they are a rareity. Since you have a young puppy I doubt anyone could identify her as a tea cup and if they did then it would indicate that they have very little knowledge about the subject.

Gracie is 5lbs and people often ask if she is a "tea cup." I don't think anything of it. They just don't know. If I have time to have a conversation with them then they get to learn a few things.

cindersellie 06-21-2013 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sugarmamma (Post 4251301)
I would just call him/her a smaller yorkie. Mine are 3 1/2 pounds and 4 pounds. I don't torture myself with categorizing my babies. They are my babies. Period. My dogs have never mentioned once that I grew larger than they expected :eek: :hide2:
Your a dog whisperer? :confused: I need one to come and explain a few things to Cinders!

ironmike86 06-21-2013 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4250989)
thats fair and i should've taken that into consideration I guess when I was talking I was thinking on a more simplistic level and in terms of if say the most reputable breeder in the history of breeders had a tiny. I wasn't thinking about the breeders who consider themselves reputable that purposely breed for tinies. I was thinking more along the lines of someone on the YTCA website had a litter that popped a tiny.
Yup a reputable breed doesn't try to get tiny but they do get them. But they don't sell them till they are 2 1/2lbs unless they know the person is a capable Yorkie friend :) I think ppl are bad mouthing breeders who plan for 2-3lbs all the litter

Lovetodream88 06-21-2013 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sugarmamma (Post 4251301)
I would just call him/her a smaller yorkie. Mine are 3 1/2 pounds and 4 pounds. I don't torture myself with categorizing my babies. They are my babies. Period. My dogs have never mentioned once that I grew larger than they expected :eek: :hide2:
haha yeah neither has mine lol or my mom :D

TxVicki 06-21-2013 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by sugarmamma (Post 4251301)
I would just call him/her a smaller yorkie. Mine are 3 1/2 pounds and 4 pounds. I don't torture myself with categorizing my babies. They are my babies. Period. My dogs have never mentioned once that I grew larger than they expected :eek: :hide2:
Yep mine never mention it to me either. LOL

Lovetodream88 06-21-2013 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sugarmamma (Post 4251301)
I would just call him/her a smaller yorkie. Mine are 3 1/2 pounds and 4 pounds. I don't torture myself with categorizing my babies. They are my babies. Period. My dogs have never mentioned once that I grew larger than they expected :eek: :hide2:
I can just see Callie going ummm mom do you really need that extra Oreo lol

capt_noonie 06-21-2013 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by sugarmamma (Post 4251301)
I would just call him/her a smaller yorkie. Mine are 3 1/2 pounds and 4 pounds. I don't torture myself with categorizing my babies. They are my babies. Period. My dogs have never mentioned once that I grew larger than they expected :eek: :hide2:
Hmm, my mom and MIL mention that to me ALL THE TIME. Maybe I need to have my dogs teach them a lesson or two. :rolleyes:

wemple2 06-21-2013 06:02 PM
Just call me a teapot...it's ok, I don't mind!!!

xoCourtney 06-21-2013 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4251248)
Like I said before on the part of there website where it lists each thing about the Yorkshire terrier under weight it say not to exceed 7 pounds so apparently its only some of there website.
okay you keep saying that BUT the fact still remains that on their website it DOES state 4(or 5)-7lbs.

xoCourtney 06-21-2013 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel (Post 4251261)
They would be allowed in the ring, but there wouldn't be any point in it. Since the YTCA and reputable breeders won't breed a female under 5 lbs, why go to the time and expense of championing a dog that won't be used in a breeding program.

Now for males, I'm not sure if the like them at a minimum weight or not for going in the ring.

I have heard show people say they will not bring a dog into the ring that has more than 2 or 3 faults. All dogs, even champions, have faults when compared to the breed standard. You can even bring a Yorkie into the ring that is larger than 7 lbs, and if they are not too much over and they are otherwise a great example compared to the standard, they could potentially be championed.
wait so the purpose of shows is to find a dog to breed with?

xoCourtney 06-21-2013 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sugarmamma (Post 4251301)
I would just call him/her a smaller yorkie. Mine are 3 1/2 pounds and 4 pounds. I don't torture myself with categorizing my babies. They are my babies. Period. My dogs have never mentioned once that I grew larger than they expected :eek: :hide2:
hahahaha good comparison and I love the hiding smiley :yelrotflm

xoCourtney 06-21-2013 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ironmike86 (Post 4251319)
Yup a reputable breed doesn't try to get tiny but they do get them. But they don't sell them till they are 2 1/2lbs unless they know the person is a capable Yorkie friend :) I think ppl are bad mouthing breeders who plan for 2-3lbs all the litter
yes and I too would be very skeptical about breeders who breed 2-3lb litters and I think thats the main piece people were missing. I've learned since being here that in order to mainly obtain such a litter you need a dam who is not physically capable of caring a "standard sized" litter.

Lovetodream88 06-21-2013 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4251426)
okay you keep saying that BUT the fact still remains that on their website it DOES state 4(or 5)-7lbs.
Its says both but in the end the YTCA is what matters with the breed standard write the AKC is its such a big deal to you.

Lovetodream88 06-21-2013 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4251429)
wait so the purpose of shows is to find a dog to breed with?
No but when a dog becomes a champion you want to breed them so they can pass on there traits and genes to there pups so maybe one day there pups can be champions and so on.

xoCourtney 06-21-2013 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4251439)
Its says both but in the end the YTCA is what matters with the breed standard write the AKC is its such a big deal to you.
I NOW know that what's on the AKC website is not true therefore I don't care to write them but what i'm saying is don't be so quick to get angry if people come on here saying that the standard is 4-7lbs because that IS what's on the AKC website and they might not have seen YTCA. I didn't even know about YTCA until here.

Lovetodream88 06-21-2013 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4251441)
I NOW know that what's on the AKC website is not true therefore I don't care to write them but what i'm saying is don't be so quick to get angry if people come on here saying that the standard is 4-7lbs because that IS what's on the AKC website and they might not have seen YTCA. I didn't even know about YTCA until here.
I'm not angry.......

AngelFae 06-21-2013 07:45 PM
Haven't seen anyone angry about what breed standard says for size, nor angry about wanting a pup to fall within that size...

xoCourtney 06-21-2013 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4251443)
I'm not angry.......
not angry but very abrasive about what the YTCA says. I KNOW what the site says but all i'm saying is its still on the AKC website that there's a bottom weight. point. blank. period. nothing more. nothing less.

xoCourtney 06-21-2013 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by AngelFae (Post 4251448)
Haven't seen anyone angry about what breed standard says for size, nor angry about wanting a pup to fall within that size...
you all take everything so literal sometimes...angry in the sense of being on the more abrasive side.

Lovetodream88 06-21-2013 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4251452)
not angry but very abrasive about what the YTCA says. I KNOW what the site says but all i'm saying is its still on the AKC website that there's a bottom weight. point. blank. period. nothing more. nothing less.
Any there's not much we can do about that except I guess email them but it could just be a simple over sight.

Lovetodream88 06-21-2013 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4251453)
you all take everything so literal sometimes...angry in the sense of being on the more abrasive side.
I think sometimes typed words are taken differently then they are meant.

xoCourtney 06-21-2013 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4251455)
I think sometimes typed words are taken differently then they are meant.
more often than not.


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