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igor 04-26-2013 01:33 AM
Clear Creek Pets in Fayetteville AR?
 
HI......

Does anyone have any info on "Clear Creek Pets" in Fayetteville, AR? I was going to look into them about purchasing a Yorkie.........

ClearCreekPets.com

Please let me know.

Thanks..........:animal36

MyDearSam 04-26-2013 06:17 AM
I checked them out and there HUGE red flags.

They advertise 'teacup' and 'tiny' Yorkies, and although prices aren't listed, they are probably jacked up.

NINETEEN females, with 8 active breeders? This IS a commercial kennel, despite claims otherwise.

Puppies are brought inside the home for the first week, then relegated to kennels.

Puppies are released as early as 8 weeks, and are NOT vet checked unless they are being shipped (as air cargo) across state lines.

No health guarantee is listed, and no genetic testing.

I would run. Fast. The other direction.

pstinard 04-26-2013 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by MyDearSam (Post 4197274)
I checked them out and there HUGE red flags.

They advertise 'teacup' and 'tiny' Yorkies, and although prices aren't listed, they are probably jacked up.

NINETEEN females, with 8 active breeders? This IS a commercial kennel, despite claims otherwise.

Puppies are brought inside the home for the first week, then relegated to kennels.

Puppies are released as early as 8 weeks, and are NOT vet checked unless they are being shipped (as air cargo) across state lines.

No health guarantee is listed, and no genetic testing.

I would run. Fast. The other direction.
I do see some red flags, but to be fair, they state that "By the time they are 6 weeks old, the litter is allowed to run around the house interacting with the family and each other in a family household environment. That is why our puppies are so well adjusted, friendly, bubbly, and playful; they are not shy, nervous, or shocked by a household environment. Their faces light up when they see you and they are ready to play."

Also, they are current on all their shots and don't see a vet because the "vet does not recommend we bring every puppy in for a check. He and I are both aware that my breeding colony is extremely healthy and free from any disease, illness, or life threatening genetic defects." Of course, you only have the breeder's word for it, so you should check and see for yourself.

And they don't ship smaller Yorkies until they are 12 weeks old. Still, I wouldn't buy a Yorkie sight unseen, and I would want to visit the breeder to be sure everything is as they say it is, and I wouldn't want a Yorkie shipped across the US--I would want to pick it up in person. So unless you can visit this breeder and check out the dogs personally and ask all the important questions and take your dog home with you yourself, then you should look elsewhere.

And there are also moral issues involved. Even if the dogs are healthy, do you want to patronize and encourage what seems like a puppy mill that is willing to ship dogs across the country sight-unseen? I wouldn't...

pstinard 04-26-2013 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by igor (Post 4197171)
HI......

Does anyone have any info on "Clear Creek Pets" in Fayetteville, AR? I was going to look into them about purchasing a Yorkie.........

ClearCreekPets.com

Please let me know.

Thanks..........:animal36
Ah, I see that you are only an hour's drive from Fayetteville, AR, so by all means, drive there and take a look at their operation very carefully and let us know what you find out. You need to find out if it is really a family-run business, or whether it is a puppy mill.

EvaNoel 04-26-2013 08:44 AM
I think it's misleading when they write how they planned to begin showing their dogs back in 2010, but there isn't an update anywhere on their website to validate it. They also claim that their puppies may even be show quality because they have some Champions in their pedigree. Truth is; all it takes is one off standard breeding to change the quality of future puppies.

I think they have done their homework, covered their bases in anticipation of questions that arise when a breeder is producing more than one breed and selling online.

I agree with whomever suggested visiting the kennel, meeting the owners, and seeing the puppies one on one. Good luck!

MandiesMom 04-26-2013 09:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MyDearSam (Post 4197274)
I checked them out and there HUGE red flags.

They advertise 'teacup' and 'tiny' Yorkies, and although prices aren't listed, they are probably jacked up.

NINETEEN females, with 8 active breeders? This IS a commercial kennel, despite claims otherwise.

Puppies are brought inside the home for the first week, then relegated to kennels.

Puppies are released as early as 8 weeks, and are NOT vet checked unless they are being shipped (as air cargo) across state lines.

No health guarantee is listed, and no genetic testing.

I would run. Fast. The other direction.
This. Nothing about this says "good breeder" or "We care about the animals."

Lovetodream88 04-26-2013 09:44 AM
Well they use the word teacup which is not good, they also offer 5 different breeds they breed for which I would think you would need a really big house to house them all and if you have lots of litters at one time how can you give personal attention to each, AKC is the only good registry the others are useless, they also let there puppies go at 8 weeks and it also says they have 19 female yorkies there is no way they are keeping those in there house. Please do not buy from this breeder in my opinion they are not good and might even be a puppy mill.

Lovetodream88 04-26-2013 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4197299)
I do see some red flags, but to be fair, they state that "By the time they are 6 weeks old, the litter is allowed to run around the house interacting with the family and each other in a family household environment. That is why our puppies are so well adjusted, friendly, bubbly, and playful; they are not shy, nervous, or shocked by a household environment. Their faces light up when they see you and they are ready to play."

Also, they are current on all their shots and don't see a vet because the "vet does not recommend we bring every puppy in for a check. He and I are both aware that my breeding colony is extremely healthy and free from any disease, illness, or life threatening genetic defects." Of course, you only have the breeder's word for it, so you should check and see for yourself.

And they don't ship smaller Yorkies until they are 12 weeks old. Still, I wouldn't buy a Yorkie sight unseen, and I would want to visit the breeder to be sure everything is as they say it is, and I wouldn't want a Yorkie shipped across the US--I would want to pick it up in person. So unless you can visit this breeder and check out the dogs personally and ask all the important questions and take your dog home with you yourself, then you should look elsewhere.

And there are also moral issues involved. Even if the dogs are healthy, do you want to patronize and encourage what seems like a puppy mill that is willing to ship dogs across the country sight-unseen? I wouldn't...
A 12 week puppy is still at risk for hypoglycemia so leaving them alone in a crate in a stressful situation could leave you having a crate with a dead puppy inside. They said they only occasionally keep the very tiny pups until 12 weeks. Every puppy needs a vet check and every good vet will say that. A lot of the vets for big bybs or puppy mills get kick backs and extra money to say what the breeder wants.

pstinard 04-26-2013 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4197468)
A 12 week puppy is still at risk for hypoglycemia so leaving them alone in a crate in a stressful situation could leave you having a crate with a dead puppy inside. They said they only occasionally keep the very tiny pups until 12 weeks. Every puppy needs a vet check and every good vet will say that. A lot of the vets for big bybs or puppy mills get kick backs and extra money to say what the breeder wants.
I agree 100%. I think it's cruel to ship puppies across the country, no matter the age. In this case, the interested buyer lives only 1 hour from the breeder (puppy mill???), so if they still plan to check it out, I will be very interested in learning what they find out. If it were me, I'd go and check it out, even if I weren't planning to buy a puppy there, because I'd want to be able to warn others away from there if it is a puppy mill.

Lovetodream88 04-26-2013 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4197513)
I agree 100%. I think it's cruel to ship puppies across the country, no matter the age. In this case, the interested buyer lives only 1 hour from the breeder (puppy mill???), so if they still plan to check it out, I will be very interested in learning what they find out. If it were me, I'd go and check it out, even if I weren't planning to buy a puppy there, because I'd want to be able to warn others away from there if it is a puppy mill.
You don't have to look to know its a bad breeder and looking could be devestating.


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