I'll post a pic,can't from my cell... she's papered & DNA'd.

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They got their stock from the same breeder we have here. Not sure why my phone wrote Muggle(stein)...stinking cell.

I'll post pics when we get our pc back up-I can't post pics from my cell or ipad apparebtly

Can't spell either, Lol!:D(JK)

Seriously true! Auto-fill & auto-correct suck!

I see my previous posts and I'm like what the cream cheese happened!!?

HA HA!

TBH, I thought you were making some reference to the Harry Potter world... :D

Lolol, yes, this is true. One of my dogs was Outlaw, 110 lbs pure muscle from Freeman's Preacher Boy weight pull lines. It was like Honey I blew up the pit bull. Perfect conformations (except for these weird itty bitty shar pei ears, but they're only a point or two, so no biggie).

I confess to a prejudice. There are certain lines of dogs, where the originator has as much as admitted cross breeding, that are registered and hitting over 100 lbs on the regular, and going 120-140 with some frequency. I'm sorry, those are not pit bulls. I don't care what the papers say... Yet people get the idea that these over hyped and over promoted lines are what pit bulls are supposed to be. When I have to argue to the ignorant that my grand champion 32 lb bitch is indeed a pure bred pit, because what they see is poorly bred, substandard, mostly cross bred **it bulls with blocky heads, wide chests, weighing over 100 lbs... Yeah, it makes me a bit testy.

And the over done style of the dogs conformation shows other breed influences, with super wide chests, drooping flews and a tendency to be a bit too wrinkled. Some of these people are actually marketing their dogs as a new breed, while at the same time using real registries to register their dogs while their own new breed registry grows.

The biggest dog I bred was 87 show weight, from a line that was on average 45 lbs. We have NO idea where he came from, even though DNA proved momma didn't get romanced by some unknown Lothario, so yes it does happen. But typically, these dogs are not correct. My guy was a tad too lippy, full drop ears, and a touch long in the stifle.

If you look at old records, you would find that a dog hitting 55 lbs was a rarity. Colby's Pincher, 100 years ago was a 72 lb dog a size that was shocking in a world of 30-40 lb dogs. Colby's Primo, whose size I can't recall, was said to be the basis of of Am Staff standard, and not only was the Colby family instrumental in getting the APBT recognized by the AKC (though under a different name, lol), a good number of the Am Staff parent stock was Colby dogs. This is one of the reasons I think that the Am Staff on average is larger than the APBT. This is of course, aside form over feeding the dogs for "substance".

Again, I have my prejudice against certain types of pit bull looks. Me and my best friend fuss constantly, because I don't like the length of his dogs backs. He likes them longer bodied, I like them more up on their legs. His dogs are slightly more rectangular than square.. They do OK in the ring, but if he would listen to me.. I found this awesome stud whose pedigree compliments one of his bitches, and would compensate for her longer body.. and he'd clean up in the ring, cause this male is so flashy with awesome head, topline, backend and movement, but he won't listen. *sigh*

Let me state for the record.. The ADBA gives no set size, except to say the tallest dog at a given weight, the UKC states males 35-60, females 30-50 and dog over that are not to be penalized unless they are too thick or rangy, and the AKC states height and weight in proportion, males 18-19 at the shoulder and females 17-18 to be preferred, though their idea of what is in proportion and mine are vastly different, lol.

I'm not going to pussy foot around. I insulted some people, and I insulted their dogs. I'm sorry for that. We all have a right to express our opinions, but we need to be mindful of others feelings when we do. Sometimes when writing on a topic we're passionate about, we forget about others in our zeal. Though I did not mean to, that is what I did. So again, those whose dogs I insulted, I'm sorry. I allowed passion to overtake prudence, and that was wrong.

And now back to your regularly scheduled yorkie talk, lol.
/hijack

ditto, no sure why anyone would get a pit pup when planning to keep it outside at a home they did not even have yet, especially when they already own two small dogs. What about when it is raining, snowing, really hot, or really cold. Are you having a temp. controlled house built for the dog:confused: I really don't understand people that get dogs for the outside unless you live on a farm and need a farm dog.

Can I ask you the reason you bought the pit puppy?

so confused by inside vs outside comments, so I guess you are saying when you are not home the dog will be out outside, that's also a bad idea. Also even when you are home something can happen, it only takes an instant.

I think training any dog, especially a pit since you really need to socialize it well is a full time responsibility, having two other dogs that you are trying to keep separate just seems like an accident waiting to happen.

It's really not a good idea to use that kind of force on a dog of any size. It causes them to anticipate your actions and that can lead to defensive actions by the dog. The mother only uses that kind of option for discipline for a very short time span when they are little. She needs to be started in a serious puppy obedience class as soon as possible and then continued through to the highest level of obedience category. You do not want a dog like that if you cannot depend on it obeying your voice the first time.

I have a family member that has two much loved Pits that are house dogs. I would never take my dog over there. When they were puppies they were pretty well behaved but they would often get high spirited inside. They are now not huge dogs but they are heavy boned and very muscular. One wrong step and it could seriously hurt a small dog.

I could never have walked even the smaller of those two dogs by myself until they were fully obedience trained. They were just too strong and could have been a danger if they had gotten off lead. Not because they were mean but because they were so boisterous and fast! Dogs like that need to be walked regularly. The lack of exercise of sitting in the backyard does not run off the energy that they have, it actually makes them more excited and mischievous when they get inside. So many of these dogs end up in the shelters and are put down because the owners do not realize the training it takes to obtain a well behaved Pit that is not a bother or a danger to the home and the neighborhood.

@dreamzz

You have had lots of good advice so far. Please take it to heart. A good trainer will also show you how to exercise your growing dog safely.

I like Building the Canine Athlete by M Christine Zink DVM Phd

You are going to need to become very alert and aware - as the situation you have created for yourself puts your Yorkies at risk.

Quite frankly I have never allowed my Yorkie to play with the my big dogs. When my Yorkie was a puppy and I had a female BRT puppy, their time together unleashed was very short and always Supervised. She was never allowed out in the yard with my Yorkie as she was too young and had too hgh a prey drive to be trusted. She was over 2yrs old before they were allowed in the same room not closely supervised.
The only activity all three dogs do together and that would be with two adults present is water work. Mainly fetch and retrieve and dock jumping.

And yes that meant crate and rotate for 2yrs.

Good luck with your new puppy and I hope that things go well for you.

I feel like this is just an accident waiting to happen. If you’re going to have a pit bull you should learn how to train it. Hitting a dog can actually make it become more aggressive, that's how they "train" dogs to fight. Please take yout dog to obedience school, the knowledge you gain will help you with all your dogs throughout your life time, it's really worth it. You might be interested in this thread, their Yorkie and Pit bull used to play and one time they left them alone "for a second." http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...weet-baby.html

Belle Noir...you're not being a breed snob or the like, you have a trained eye and critically evaluate dogs the way a good breeder, handler, judge would and should.

Just for clarification for everyone, I'm not supporting Mugglestons breeding just showing them as reference they bred down an oversized litter they got from a breeder I know to produce their stock-well they got "breeding stock" from many different kennels and lines.

Personally I don't think even horses should be kept strictly outside, we horse barns for a reason.
Anyone familiar with a range of terriers knows these dogs especially do not belong outside, physically unequipt and behaviorally very dependant on human contact.

Nancy us exactly correct hitting can result in two undesirable results a fearful unsocial dog or a fear aggressive dog...while an abused yorkie can be handled often even if a fear biter, a fear aggressive pit faces a death sentence even if put in private nokill rescue...both might be rehabilitatable but reality shoes us only one actually gets the chance.

I used to own a pit bull, and it sounds from the way you are describing its actions, its playing. When pits play, they play HARD..I see nothing wrong with having both , but NEVER EVER under any circumstances leave them alone together, and never hit either. You need to do some sort of positive reinforcement..Def. get a trainer since you have never owned the breed before. I am worried for the yorkies safety, even though you say she can "hold her own", she wont when that pit is ALOT bigger than her...JMO>..

I have a male poodle (7lbs) who is 11 years old. I have a male Pitbull (75 lbs) who is about 7 years old. We adopted the pit almost 4 years ago and he had no training. Both dogs unneutered at the time. They are the best of friends. I would even crate them together (although I don't). You have to train a dog. PERIOD. We now have a 6 month old yorkie puppy(3lbs). You have to watch dogs like you would have to watch kids. You never get a large dog to be a watch dog. Any dog will bark when people pull up.


Puppies are alot of work which I'm sure you know since you have 2 under 1 year. I would just train them and keep both. Both my yorkie and pitbull require alot of attention. Make sure to give them their "own" time. The pitbulls don't stand a chance in this world.

Tbh I was very attracted to not only the look of miniature schnauzers but their personality trait of being great guard dogs.

Miniature schnauzers 'herd'and perimenter guard and alert...my Princess has had no formal training for this just strong genetic needs to do so, she circles the kids and when first let out does a perimeter check of her yard.

She fails as an alerter she's a quiet watcher...but my yorkie boys-they have alerting down without a doubt!

IMO- No Dog Should Be An Outdoor Dog!

Sounds like play but play can easily get out of hand when the 2 are different sizes!

I thought of this thread this morning, Lola was laying next to her toy, I went to pick it up to toss it to her. She did not intend to bite me, she just went to grab it and my finger got in the way. I can't believe how deep her tooth went in and how much blood it drew. I actually had chills from it. Lola is 5.25 lbs but when playing or thinking about playing she gets very worked up and mouthy. Had she been a bigger dog I might be at the doctor right now. I know many of you mix dog sizes but like the link Nancy posted proves, without constant supervision the combo of a larger dog with a much smaller dog is an accident waiting to happen.

Play biting can be just as bad as biting on purpose. I was playing tug of war with my friends large dog one evening. I pulled the toy hard towards me and the dog lurched to get it and wound up biting into my lower arm. I was wearing a very heavy sweater but I felt the pain and then later when I got home saw that the dog's teeth marks were in my arm and in two places had broken the skin. I had a doctor friend with a pair of dobby sisters, he used to laugh about how he would have to stich up an ear or a leg from their "playing" So don't be fooled, when it's not a level playing field things could go wrong.

:thumbup: You don't even want to know what happened to my son's 66lb basset hound by their 6month old female 22lb pit - just advising you to never, ever leave them alone & I would be so careful with your yorkies around any bigger dog

Just wanted to point out... the dog in the thread/linked posted was not a Pit Bull, but a Bull Terrier. Two very different breeds. But irregardless, I agree that they should never ever be left alone. I'd never own one with my small dog, simply due to their dog aggression issues. It's a well known trait in Pits.

I also would be very careful of leaving them together alone. My father had a large Plot Hound when I was younger killed by his friends Pitt and both men were standing with the dogs. The pitt suddenly grabbed dads hound by the throat and by the time they were seperated it was to late for dads dog. I know pitts get a bad rep but they do tend to have severe animal aggression if not properly trained.

after reading all these posts I wonder why people bring such stress on themselves. it's hard enough watching and training one puppy and I would venture to say it's harder to train an aggressive breed puppy, so now not only do you have to train it, you need to keep it seperated from your other dogs.. Jeeesh everyone has a right to their own decisions but personally that would be to much stress and not enough fun trying to keep the dogs apart, even when supervised a problem can happen. I know I am not man enough for the job:D

I agree with all this but... "an aggressive breed puppy?" Seriously?

yes perhaps I did not make myself clear, I mean a puppy that is from a breed that is known to be more agressive than some others. I have read here time and time again how really important it is to to train and know how to deal with a dog that comes from a breed that is known to be more agressive than say a Golden. Do you not agree that some breeds are naturally more agressive than others?

My first Yorkie hated other dogs play-biting and crowding him. He was a tiny Yorkie and very conscious of his inadequacies in play situations with other dogs so he just began to avoid our miniature poodle and miniature Schnauzer, both of whom were larger and more powerful. Trying to slow those two down and train them to be as cautious and delicate in playing with Scotty as he required soon proved to be futile and was taking the fun out of both Chantal and Jock's playlife as they wanted to include Scotty and loved getting their way with him at every chance. Scotty was so frustrated by never "winning" in any play situation and in time, he began to get extremely frustrated and I feared he would become aggressive or begin to have a level of stress he could no longer handle. He was only 3 lbs. grown and very fragile. But Scotty was unlike any dog I'd ever had and my total soulmate so when he started to leave the room when either of the other dogs came in it, I realized I had created a big problem for all the dogs.

In time I rehomed both of the other dogs, realizing all of the 3 deserved better in their lives than I was providing trying to mix this group, one of which was a "tiny". I realized I had made a bad mistake trying to do it and hadn't the skills to better the situation for all of them anytime soon. From then on, Scotty had a wonderful life and had no more dogs biting or crowding him, overpowering or frustrating him. Chantal, an absolutely perfect creme miniature with wonderful lineage, conformation, coat and spirit, wound up with a divorcee who loved poodles and had the time, money and nature to give that lovely poodle the life she deserved. Jock went to a couple with a 12 year old son who badly needed a best friend who could match him energy-wise and was hardy enough to keep up with him step-for-step, sleep with him and make him laugh a lot.

Scotty and I lived our quiet little life together after that and I learned all of the fun it is to have a Yorkie who is happy and at peace in its own home. Had I kept the other two dogs and not stopped their constantly rough play and hounding him, I don't believe my frail little Scotty would have ever enjoyed his life anywhere near as much as he did just being an "only" dog who went everywhere with and did every thing with me from then on. I can't imagine what Scotty would have been like had either of my other two dogs grown into a dog over 60 lbs. who played too rough with him, maybe even drew blood on occasion, when I turned my back at the fridge or took a phone call - but I think I can. I think he would have hated that life. He was far too macho in spirit to enjoy always being a play toy to another dog.

Same thing happened when I got my Jilly, another tiny Yorkie, a playmate, Teddy, who was a regular-sized Yorkie puppy. That puppy quickly grew to be larger and far rougher with Jilly than she could enjoy and she started getting ill, decompensating. Once Teddy was placed in another home, Jilly returned to her normal, happy self. So I learned some Yorkies just have too much ego and pride to be treated roughly by another dog and just can't happily adjust to it ever.

Pits are not more aggressive...they are terriers just like our yorkies and have a high prey drive chase instinct...just like our yorkies, hense other dog attacks. Please note even during dog in dog attacks people statistically on get bitten when taking or getting between the aggrressor and the prey...i.e. try to take a live mouse from a yorkie-just watch your fingers.

We read about people pit attacks more for other contributing reasons
Such as
How many chihuahua bites get reported?
Too many unfit dog owners get pits for a false pretence of power and abuse them.
Pits are highly people attached dogs-they will defend their people (way more than their territory) also they require socialization (terriers) or they get fear aggressive.
Their mythical lock jaw which is just a powerful over developeda in breedingthe muscle...they areare not aligator dogs.
Etc.

Actually agressive breeds aren't even in the terrier class: chows, GSD, Rots, Tibetan Mountain Dogs, etc.
However: blue nose pits (whitesor white &silver grey called a blue) are in serious genetic decline due to bottle neck line breeding to create them (like Biewers but much more accelorated) so they are suffering neurologal genetic issues currently being evaluated.
The symptoms include, self mutalation in biting licking, repedative actions, circling, spontaneous lack of impulse control (getting up randomly running into walls etc) agression (yep random spontaneous previously not an issue) antisocial behavior (very unterrier) exceeding cases of blues eating random object's and not edibles-not chewing for example a metal can but chewing and eating it-many reported rock eaters despite food readily available.

Just for the sake of saying so and since I'm already of a differing opinion:

I have no preference for weiner (dashlhou ds) or chis (chihuahuas) I find them to be in my personal experience the most nasty vicious dogs I have ever encountered...I have met many my grandma's best friend and her family bred and only owned weiner dogs (swear they populated half the county here ugh) mean mean little dogs to kids especially...last year my neighbor's weiner messed up a racoon!
Bred to kill badgers what do we expect-imagine if they were big...or just had proportional legs, at least you can out run them.

Chi's are disproporationally over populated here in CA, from the family dog, to rescue, to the abundance of purse pups-7of them in my family alone.

I have literally met hundreds, I have met 3 I would trust enough to pet without fear of bite. Sorry chi owners, I have no ill will and no offense, but no love for the breed at all-evil little snappers in my experience, oober territorial.

My daughter wanted a chi or a yorkie...we have Elvis...

I normally do not get into these discussions, but this time will be an exception. A terrier is a terrier is a terrier. A person is just as likely to get bitten by their Yorkshire terrier as their Pit Bull terrier. Both have high prey drive of the terrier breed. Yes you hear more about Pit Bulls but they can do more damage due to their size. Would I keep the two together, no, maybee a female yorkie and a male pit of the same age raised together would be fine with the proper owner. Never two females and I would think twice about two males.

Agree with posts above^

Thought I'd mention, too, that dog aggression is completely separate from human aggression. Not to be confused. Just because a dog is DA does NOT make them HA.

The pit that killed my fathers dog all these many years ago was trained to hunt bear. They said he had no fear of them at all so I am not sure if that had anything to do with the attack on dads hound or not. I have been around other pits who were very sweet and gentle since. As with any dog I think training is a must. We had a sweet german shephard when I was pregnant with my oldest who one day decided out of the blue when I told her down because she was on the sofa to bite my arm. Before we got her she had been a police dog so training we thought was not an issue. I have had a fear of large dogs since so I don't have one. I love all dogs but some at a distance. We have had dashounds but never an aggressive one. Same with our grandaughters chi's but all were trained from the puppy age.

you guys are right and I thought I said so in an earlier post, yorkies also have been know to be very aggressive. I know this first hand because I owned two at different times that wanted to kill any dog they came in contact with, only they were both less than 5 lbs so the only damage they did was to themselves since they both attacked much larger dogs. Westies and Scotties can be pretty aggressive as well, often when walking we encounter smaller dogs that when we approach the owner will say, don't get to close they don't like other dogs. The big difference of course is size and the amount of damage the larger prey driven aggressive dog can do. Training obviously is important but since I had two highly aggressive yorkies and two sweet as pie yorkies and now Lola a mix of two breeds that are known to be snippy but has yet not met a dog or human she does not instantly love I know that sometimes instinct and personality trumps training. I also wonder about rescue pits, with so many of you talking about the importance of training early and special training, I sure would be extra nervous taking on an adult pit since often not much is known about their early life.