Oh... nope I do not have any exp with piercing dogs! I think it an unkind act. I think you should have quoted.. Verbena :D

No on my own piercing experience. They sterilize all the equipment. And they shave the area for tattooing.

Some things are just made for people! Too bad some people forget that.

LOL, no! Claire's is a cheap people accessorie's store in the mall. That was the type of place I was saying that my mom took me to get my ears pierced when I was a child. The girl who pierced me was a kid herself, a teenager, and I don't know why my mom and millions of other moms thought it was a good idea to have another child with no certification put a hole in their own child.

:D Hee hee! We have 'Claire's Accessories' stores over here too - who on earth is this Claire?!!? :D

My grandmother used to pierce her children's ears with a VERY cold potato cut in half and placed on either side of the lobe...then plunge the needle through. WHY?!!? :eek: Sally + Harry x

LOL and sort of cringing, too, at this visual!!!

I cannot speak for anyone but my two, but, yes, they loved clothes from the start...when they first saw them, in fact. However, I got the Yorkies when they were 14 (Brody) and 17 (Mia) months old and I got them 3 months apart. There is actually only 6 days difference in their ages. Brody had never worn clothes before, but Mia had...and her previous owner said she hated it...and she wouldn't wear a top knot. Well, not at my house! :p

I got them little quilted jackets 12/23/11 and wanted to try them on while my groomer was still open...so I could exchange them if they didn't fit. Mia's fit, but they were bouncing so much it was hard to try Mia's on her. Then, when I tried to fit Brody, he was crazy jumping and I pulled my back...made for a horrible night at the Christmas event at my older child's home. The next day, I tried again, and both jackets fit fine, so I removed them. The Yorkies went nuts...jumping up and down, grabbing them in their teeth and pulling them. I held them high enough they couldn't damage them, and both Yorkies just sat down looking so dejected! :confused: So I asked them if they wanted me to put the jackets back on, and they got all happy again. I started a thread in the YT 'photos' section. They wore them for 3 days straight until the temp warmed up again.

So, after the Christmas stuff wound down a bit, DH and I went shopping for sweaters, etc., for them to keep them warm and now they have 'a number' of garments. :D They LOVE to dress up, and THEY like to select which one to wear...so I choose a few and hold them out so each Yorkie can select his/her clothes for each occasion.

They would voluntarily wear them 24 x 7 x 365 if we didn't take them off, and they will shove their heads into the garments, and if they want to wear them still when we go to remove them, they will hunch over and/or crouch down to try to prevent the garments being removed. :D

I don't think a young puppy likes topknots or clothing. Most pups just want to run around and have fun. With a long haired dog they have to be trained to accept grooming as any dog should be. Gracie never wore a bow as a young puppy but I did put grooming bands in to keep her hair out of her eyes. It didn't take much to teach her. When she found that her sweaters made her more comfortable she was quite accepting of them. But I didn't make her wear anything that was constricting or that would make her uncomfortable.

I pierced my own ears :eek::eek: (when I was a teenager)

They sound so cute being so excited. My Jilly and my sister's Silky Mindy both wore sweaters, soft, warm for cold weather. One really cold day I was talking to my sister on the phone & she laughed out loud so hard. She said Mindy had brought her a second sweater to put on. I say sweater but they were really more like t-shirts. Mindy had one on, the fire in the fireplace had burned down and Billie said Mindy was there wanting more clothes! She put it on her and she wore 2 t-shirts until they got her a real sweater the next day! She would come running to get her sweater on in the winter. Later, she got even more. Jilly wore a sweater when it was very cold sometimes, too but did not like it at first. I had to insist she keep it on as it was cold outside and even inside pretty cool down on the floor and she kept scratching and rolling around, going in circles in it. I only made her wear it for a short time until she gradually worked up to it - but it was to keep her warm. I think she came to understand it felt warm as later, she would run to me when I got it out and she stopped scratching a lot. She never liked the one dress she had made for her for NYE 2000. She wanted it off!

I was wondering about dresses and jewelry, shoes for dogs, putting in topknots, wondering if most dogs like wearing those things from the first or have to be desensitized to them over time. I can see where a dog that is cold might really like wearing something warm and soft but wonder about how some of them do with their first topknots or first dress or hanging necklace.

Course I've never tried a necklace or dress or onesy on Tibbe but he is not a big fan of even wearing a soft sweater in the cold. He rubs his body on things and scratches with his hind feet and wallows as if he wants it off. When I ask him if he wants it off, he comes running fast. He'll wear a sweater if I leave it on but he's not best pleased.

I did my own second set with I was in middle school as well, and I also started to gauge my ears out myself to, until a certain point, then I had to go into the piercing studio. I'm done now. :rolleyes:

Awww...too cute!

I don't know whether dogs 'naturally' love things like clothes. I would guess mostly not, but I think it likely depends on the dog...and some may never accept wearing clothes, etc. But, except for my Yorkie Poo, I have never dressed any of them in clothes, and the Yorkie Poo was only in winter...sweaters, etc. which I made for him to keep him warm...he got his silky single coat from his Yorkie heritage.

I would NEVER consider piercing their ears or anything else outrageous...except I do think Mommy and me tatts is just too funny...maybe the washable kind! :p:D

Yeah, I think Tibbe and I need matching temp tatts to make us look cool or hot or whatever the latest word is. I can just see us now showing off our belly tatts!

Well I really dont appreciate you attacking me Im entitled to an opinion same as you. I never anywhere said I would pierce my dogs ears because I wouldnt I dont even really dress my dogs. We are a more athletic family and so are my dogs. I wouldnt judge anyone who does choose to do it though and I think anyone who would but dresses a dog or stuffs them in a bag is being hypocritical.

People think I am crazy when I say Guinness LOVES cloths, PJ's, socks and shoes or slippers until they come to my house... he does not care who you are or what you are trying to do at that moment but if he thinks it is bedtime he is forcing you to put his PJ's on him!! My husband took off his PJ's one morning to potty and we were rushing to go out for the day with friends so he went got a shirt placed it in my friend's lap as she sit on the couch and did his yorkie talk and mumbling, so of course she yelled out to me to come in the room and figure out what was wrong with my dog lol I told her he is asking you to please put on his shirt he just handed you.

I find the whole piercing thing odd myself BUT then again I also have a dog with a dyed mohawk that not everybody might feel as if it is "right"... as long as it is not harming the dog and you are making sure to take proper care of it such as you do with your child's ears who am I to say what you do or do not do... to each their own.

That is me too I dont think its my right to judge but that is me. I have seen the mohawks and think they are cute. I have also seen where people have dyed their dog with kool aide for halloween or some occasion and dont think anythings wrong with that either

Oh and before it is even said... Guinness knows where all his stuff is at... hair dye, hair wax, brush, comb, clothes... he will bring you stuff and will whine cry or whatever the case might be till you do whatever it is he brought you.. My dog is NONSTOP bouncing off the wall's hyper even in his sleep but if he sees his blue hair dye he will lay completely still for you to apply it and will not move until you say all done... now do I know for a fact he actually likes it?? No I do not.. but does it hurt or harm him in anyway?? NO In fact right now it is a pain in the rear for me because I really do not want a blue mohawk in my holiday pictures lol

I'll never think this is okay.



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Those are extreme pictures. I dont think the average person that pierces their dogs ears does that

Totally agree with you on that, but the average person, doesn't piece their dog at all. Thankfully it's still unusual and in some areas illegal.

Being the type of person I am I like to argue at times just for the mere fun of it... So with that being said :)

I know in England you can not dock tails but here in the US it is the norm.. Is it painful well yea I beat it is and does it serve a propose? We remove their tumbs or should i say dewclaws... has it been proven there is a need for this?? no not really. Nope just looks cute same as ears on a pit being cut. Dogs are tattooed if fixed and sometimes as making for ID.. Microchips still have not been proved if they cause cancer or not in animals and I know my body has decided to reject the pins and screws in my knees after 5 years causing pain so how do we know those chips do not do the same?? In my city is it againt the law to dye an animal UNLESSi can show proof that it is a special dye made for dogs that is pet friendly. I am pretty sure sticking a hot branding iron to a cows butt does not feel the greatest but they do that!



So with all that being said if you have a tail docked dewclaw removed puppy that is well taken care what right do you have to tell a ears pierced puppy owner that spoils and takes care of their pet they have no right to do that???

hahaaa i looked up booty bling..wow! and pierced ears is just ridiculous...I guess you can brand them but i think a collar and chip works fine for me lol

gotta admit though, Hal once got a mohawk cut and i did put gel in it to keep it up! hehe didn't last long.

Anyone that would pierce a grown, non-infant dog who has full sensation and a well-developed neurological system that can FEEL all that piercing to the hilt at the time it happens while being held down and then have to deal with the healing and changing of all those studs is plainly sadistic. A 3 day-old neonate puppy who's just had a tail dock/dews removed has only limited sensation in his still rudimentary nervous system, and he routinely settles to sleep within 3 minutes of the dock/dews procedures ending and is well-healed by the time his nervous system has matured enough to feel much sensation at all. To the contrary, I imagine that bull terrier felt every single piercing and doubt he settled to sleep anywhere near a 3 minute window after the piercings were done! I'll bet that poor guy hurt for days and was tender, sore for weeks, as he likely wasn't pierced as a days-old infant with little sensory development. And I wonder if being a fully developed dog when pierced, anybody considered how he felt as every hole was being made, if the person "working" on him considered how darn scared he must have been during the whole procedure as people or strong ties restrained his struggling body. And I'm sure that poor, hapless dog was fairly well traumatized by the time all the piercings were done and those studs were one-by-one inserted into freshly pierced, living skin!!!

I wonder if anyone bothered to give him a post-piercing pain shot or pill and some pain meds while he was healing and feeling every sore, open area! I would be willing to bet money he had no such relief at all.

What a horrible story I'll bet that poor dog has to tell if he could but talk about what all was done to him from the time they started walking toward him and he knew the fear inside that something bad was about to happen to him, then held him down, at times with great force, did their grisly, painful work for who knows how long and finally let him go! Then, no doubt, later that person was expecting kisses from his dog! The whole thing gives me nightmares!

Now please keep in mind I said I would NEVER do that to Guinness :) and I myself actually am one of those nut cases that has holes in various parts of my own body haha
But with that being sad, you can tell by both photos they are actually photo shopped... The spike in the chin would never be that high and those hopes do not lay as pierced cartilage would sit.

But don't you realize that dog owners have the "right" to do as they please to their pets??? We would not want to offend the "rights" of the pet owner now would we???:mad:

What it comes down to is what is it any of your business what someone choses to do with THEIR DOG when it isnt animal abuse and it isnt

People crop dogs ears at 7-12 weeks old. They have to be put under to do it. That must be painful after

You know that was the same philosophy they used to have concerning wife and child abuse. It was not only condoned it was legal. Thankfully society has changed it's views in that area over the years.

It's not dog owners rights to do this in PA. And I am VERY glad of it.

Those pictures though, I really think are photoshopped. At least I really hope it is.

Here is the thing.. If we don't stand against things that are obviously cruelty, we will have the animal rights activists pushing the government to MAKE those choices for us.

All of us in the show world are well away of what Pedigree Dogs Exposed did in the UK show scene, and what has happened in this past years Crufts. THAT is what happens when we, the people who are supposed to be "IMPROVING" the breed get stupid and breed for unhealthy extremes, that is in it's essences, torture breeding.

THIS is why when something like that pops up, we MUST stand against it. It's wrong. Period. And by condoning it, you make the ARs push even more to enact laws that satisfies their better dead than fed agenda.

Oh, and the whole tail dock/ear crop thing.. That goes with what I am saying. That is the government making choices for you and your dog. Because the government decided with the help of AR lobbiests, that tail docking and ear cropping is cruel, you can no longer do this.

And in some places there has been an upswing in tails that have to be docked because the dogs keep breaking them. Of course, these are adult dogs that have gone through numerous tail breakings, now having to have an amputation, which is far worse than having a 3 second procedure at 3 days old, that they forget about in 3 minutes.

I can think of a few things that piercing falls under. Veterinary procedure without license for one. Cruelty, because it's done without anesthesia. Maiming perhaps, because it could be considered disfiguring by the law.

Trust and believe, as this spreads, IF it spreads, you WILL see laws specifically naming this as being animal cruelty. And tucked up in there will be laws about MSN, and the number of intact bitches you can own, and a few others they can stick in there, as pushed by the AR lobbies of that ares, and supported no doubt by the HSUS.

But it IS animal abuse in the state of PA, and if you pierce your dog, and the humane society sees your dog with pierced ears, I have 50 bucks that says they will take your dog and put you in jail.
Want to take me up on it, since you're so in for it.
Yes you damned well believe it IS my business what someone does with their dogs. I won't let someone kick their dog in the street, and if I see this I WILL report it to the proper authorities.

True. I had forgotten that!

I wonder if that bull terrier photo is photoshopped. I'd lke to think it is.