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leipshen 10-29-2012 06:47 PM

Thank you all for responding..one more question
 
Well I do now remember why I love "Yorkietalk" so much:) I give great thanks to you all for your response and direction. I do have one more question...

When I get the blood work done..what is it that I will be looking for??? What should the blood work be telling me to say that he is clear for this procedure??


Thank You

Patti

yorkietalkjilly 10-29-2012 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by leipshen (Post 4043875)
Well I do now remember why I love "Yorkietalk" so much:) I give great thanks to you all for your response and direction. I do have one more question...

When I get the blood work done..what is it that I will be looking for??? What should the blood work be telling me to say that he is clear for this procedure??


Thank You

Patti

My vet orders what he routinely orders before anesthesia but don't know what all they are. If the dog has liver problems, certain GI issues where they are worried about further damage, I think they also want to get a BAT but that has to be done a while before as it takes a few hours and eating, etc., to do.

maxsassy 10-30-2012 02:58 PM

I am feeling the same way about having Amy spayed but after reading this post I am feeling much better about it. She is so small and that is worrying me. I have had 3 Shelties before her and wasn't as worried because they were much bigger.

Thank you for explaining everything to me. I will still worry but not won't be quite a afraid as I would have been.

Yorkiemom1 10-30-2012 03:27 PM

I remember last month....think it was last month....somebody was having their littly boy neutered....I got on here and joined in with many others, trying to make that lady feel at ease....she was soooo frightened and worried about taking that pup in for neutering....for several days, she had worried and fretted over her decision......I encouraged and tried to calm her worries.....then the next day, at work, I logged onto YT and went to her thread to check on how her baby did.....he had died on the table......that DEVASTATED me....I will never again approach anyones concerns as cavalier as I did that poor soul's.... I will give advice on what tests to have done, I will say what I personally have done for ANY surgery any of my babies face, and I will give facts and give links for people to go to with information on the latest research on spaying and neutering....I feel personally terrible about encouraging and , I feel pushing, that lady to have her baby neutered, only to have her worst fears come true....I will live with that the rest of my life.....I was reduced to uncontrollable tears when I read her post that "her baby didnt make it, he died on the table".....No, I learned a very valuable lesson with that experience......wont get caught in that snare again. (I cant remember who it was that this happened to, but if you read this, know I am still affected by what happened to you and your baby, and I am soooooooo sorry that happened to you.....I think about you and your grief at least once a day, and will for the rest of my life.....)

GeorgiesMomma 10-30-2012 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4044451)
I remember last month....think it was last month....somebody was having their littly boy neutered....I got on here and joined in with many others, trying to make that lady feel at ease....she was soooo frightened and worried about taking that pup in for neutering....for several days, she had worried and fretted over her decision......I encouraged and tried to calm her worries.....then the next day, at work, I logged onto YT and went to her thread to check on how her baby did.....he had died on the table......that DEVASTATED me....I will never again approach anyones concerns as cavalier as I did that poor soul's.... I will give advice on what tests to have done, I will say what I personally have done for ANY surgery any of my babies face, and I will give facts and give links for people to go to with information on the latest research on spaying and neutering....I feel personally terrible about encouraging and , I feel pushing, that lady to have her baby neutered, only to have her worst fears come true....I will live with that the rest of my life.....I was reduced to uncontrollable tears when I read her post that "her baby didnt make it, he died on the table".....No, I learned a very valuable lesson with that experience......wont get caught in that snare again. (I cant remember who it was that this happened to, but if you read this, know I am still affected by what happened to you and your baby, and I am soooooooo sorry that happened to you.....I think about you and your grief at least once a day, and will for the rest of my life.....)

I am sorry you live with that guilt:( I think we all were doing what we thought was right . I know your advice comes from the heart. OP I understand your concerns but the pre-OP bloodwork will help ease your fears. As with having any anesthesia there is a chance something could happen but as long as he is healthy (which the pre-OP bloodwork will determine) I am sure he will be fine:)

gumbysuz 10-30-2012 05:58 PM

I agree with LadyJane. READ the anesthesia protocol and discuss with your vet HIS/HER procedure. ASK questions, so your vet knows you are informed. I would never just hand my Dori over to a vet without getting the answers to every question/concern I had. Your vet's responses will either reassure you or, possibly, send you elsewhere. With my own physician, I believe in being an informed patient AND with Dori, her voice.

ladyjane 10-30-2012 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gumbysuz (Post 4044560)
I agree with LadyJane. READ the anesthesia protocol and discuss with your vet HIS/HER procedure. ASK questions, so your vet knows you are informed. I would never just hand my Dori over to a vet without getting the answers to every question/concern I had. Your vet's responses will either reassure you or, possibly, send you elsewhere. With my own physician, I believe in being an informed patient AND with Dori, her voice.

Yes, you must must know who is delivering the anesthesia and HOW they are doing it!!! No matter what pre op blood work is done, if a vet is not up to date and monitoring things properly, bad things can happen.
My vet has one employee whose job is to sit and monitor the animals' vital signs. That person is not allowed to leave that room for ANY reason unless there is a substitute. Period!!
With modern anesthesia techniques, death should not occur.
Yes, pre op blood work is important....and I do it on all of my pups prior to any anesthetic procedure...BUT please, please always know about protocol and discuss with your vet!

Yorkiemom1 10-30-2012 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4044652)
Yes, you must must know who is delivering the anesthesia and HOW they are doing it!!! No matter what pre op blood work is done, if a vet is not up to date and monitoring things properly, bad things can happen. My vet has one employee whose job is to sit and monitor the animals' vital signs. That person is not allowed to leave that room for ANY reason unless there is a substitute. Period!!
With modern anesthesia techniques, death should not occur.
Yes, pre op blood work is important....and I do it on all of my pups prior to any anesthetic procedure...BUT please, please always know about protocol and discuss with your vet!

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Teegy 10-31-2012 05:23 AM

my two cents on this. I never neutered my first dog and he didn't die of any testicular anything. One of my vets dad's has 4 dogs on his farm all unaltered and he said until you provide me with scientific proof of how not fixing them damages their health, I'm keeping them intact. They still are.
I have heard from several people that their vets have questioned their reasons for fixing their dogs. If they are responsible and caring owners, and there is no real reason for doing it, then don't do it.
my reasons are they are small and I don't need them running away (which my unfixed dog did all the time, looking for ladies) and I don't want them being attacked by bigger dogs because they reek of testosterone.
Unfixed dogs, according to information I've gathered, want nooky all the time and are restless and a flight risk because of this.
You are not paranoid and your worries are concrete.
If your dog is happy and healthy and gives no reason for concern, you are well within your rights to do as you feel.

gemy 10-31-2012 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4044451)
I remember last month....think it was last month....somebody was having their littly boy neutered....I got on here and joined in with many others, trying to make that lady feel at ease....she was soooo frightened and worried about taking that pup in for neutering....for several days, she had worried and fretted over her decision......I encouraged and tried to calm her worries.....then the next day, at work, I logged onto YT and went to her thread to check on how her baby did.....he had died on the table......that DEVASTATED me....I will never again approach anyones concerns as cavalier as I did that poor soul's.... I will give advice on what tests to have done, I will say what I personally have done for ANY surgery any of my babies face, and I will give facts and give links for people to go to with information on the latest research on spaying and neutering....I feel personally terrible about encouraging and , I feel pushing, that lady to have her baby neutered, only to have her worst fears come true....I will live with that the rest of my life.....I was reduced to uncontrollable tears when I read her post that "her baby didnt make it, he died on the table".....No, I learned a very valuable lesson with that experience......wont get caught in that snare again. (I cant remember who it was that this happened to, but if you read this, know I am still affected by what happened to you and your baby, and I am soooooooo sorry that happened to you.....I think about you and your grief at least once a day, and will for the rest of my life.....)

Oh dear one. My heart ached when I saw this post. It is almost useless for me to say don't feel guilty. But there were other posters to that thread, this woman was/is an adult and made a decision for her pet.

Neuter/spay surgery is mostly safe, given an experienced vet taking the proper precautions. And you shared that information!

This happenstance was very unusual, which doesn't mean it wasn't tragic; which it is.

(((((((hugs Judy))))))))))))

gracielove 10-31-2012 11:49 AM

There is never any 100% guarantee when a person or animal is going under anesthesia. However, it is uncommon for a death to occur under normal circumstances during a routine surgery. The statics of deaths in healthy dogs during spay neuter surgery is estimated to be around 0.01%. I know that for the one that loses their loved one during routine surgery that there is no consolation. So what do we do? Live in fear and do nothing?

I know people who lost their child that went in to have tonsils removed. It was something no one ever suspected would happen. It was tragic but I did not stop helping other people who's children needed surgery. The operating rooms continue daily.

Fear is a terrible thing.It can paralyze you and keep you from making sound decisions. I was just as afraid as anyone when I took Gracie to have her spayed. I cried as I handed her to the tech but I did it for her future happiness and health. I knew there is always a chance and she was just as vulnerable as any surgical patient. But I had to balance my fear with facts. The fact is that it is far more common for dogs to come through the surgery than not to. I trusted my vet and knew their experience level.

You can get opinions one way or another about the benefits of the surgery. After many years of experience around animals my opinion is that most dogs are better off being spayed or neutered if there is not an important reason for it not to be done. I have never seen an animal distressed about losing their hormones.

Yes, everyone has to make their own decision. It is a pet owner's right to decide what they believe is best for their dog. But base your decision on what is most important to you and your pet, not on fear.

gemy 10-31-2012 12:09 PM

Yes, everyone has to make their own decision. It is a pet owner's right to decide what they believe is best for their dog. But base your decision on what is most important to you and your pet, not on fear.[/QUOTE]

So true one must balance all the risks and benefits. The actual surgery on a healthy dog is of minimal risk. But that there are other factors involved; such as what is the long term benefit first health wise, and then environment wise. For example can I as an owner adamantly care for an un-neutered pet and keep them safe from 1) harm, and 2) inadvertent breeding.

I do so hope that one day, we shall see other options being offered to pet owners; to help insure that their pets can't breed, without the smallish risk of surgery, and the larger risk of health issues down the road.

celstu1 10-31-2012 12:22 PM

I had my Dexter neutered at 6 months old and 4.2lbs, he is now a very healthy 7lb baby, no problems. However my Fletch (who is larger) seems to be just more sensitive to everything, so I held off neutering him until he was 4 years old. At the time he was 8.9lbs and VERY active. After his neuter, he ballooned up to 13.5lbs in 6 months and his personality changed. My super energetic, curious boy lost interest in sooo much stuff and really has become afraid of everything in the house (he's a bulldog outside the house still). I miss his personality before his neuter and wish I never did it. He never stopped marking his territory since it was a habit at that point, and no matter what I do, I can't get him to lose any weight.

You need to do whats best for you & Biscuit.

gemy 10-31-2012 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by celstu1 (Post 4045013)
I had my Dexter neutered at 6 months old and 4.2lbs, he is now a very healthy 7lb baby, no problems. However my Fletch (who is larger) seems to be just more sensitive to everything, so I held off neutering him until he was 4 years old. At the time he was 8.9lbs and VERY active. After his neuter, he ballooned up to 13.5lbs in 6 months and his personality changed. My super energetic, curious boy lost interest in sooo much stuff and really has become afraid of everything in the house (he's a bulldog outside the house still). I miss his personality before his neuter and wish I never did it. He never stopped marking his territory since it was a habit at that point, and no matter what I do, I can't get him to lose any weight.

You need to do whats best for you & Biscuit.

Awh celstu I'm so sorry to hear that about Fletch. Perhaps talk to a vet maybe a homeopatic vet about supplements to increase metabolism to aid with weight loss. I'm sure you wouldn't free fed, etc, and that his exercise levels are at least the same as before a neuter.

Weight gain, and personality change are two factors that have a relatively heightened risk after neutering.

maggiefromnj 10-31-2012 08:18 PM

I don't know if anybody else suggested this. Since he is already 4 it would probably not hurt to get a dental done while he is under for the neuter. If they will do it, it will save him from having to go under again for a while.


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