Festival's and Flea markets
 

Yep you all probably guessed it. Was out and about today flea marketing. A lady was selling puppy yorkies. One male, one female. 10 weeks old. I asked her if they lived inside with her family, when does she let them go? 12 weeks? Nope their ready now. She also told me that they are very well cared for. I asked her how many litters a year? One. But I have 11 females that I breed. How much are they? $1200.

I don't know. I felt the 11 females that she breeds says puppy mill. I could be so wrong, but letting them go at 10 weeks with 11 breeding females told me alot. I did ask for a business card and she did give me one.

Was wondering which festival you went to? I will be going to the covered bridge festival tomorrow, i know there are a few dog booths there, one i know has tiny dogs. I never buy from them, they have tons of dog clothes that she sells. Doesn't sound like anyone i want to do business with.

What decent breeder just sells cash on hand at flea markets and festivals?

C'mon even half these funky BYB out there have mock adoption applications and correspond with people so they at least have a name and phone number.

Sight unseen of breeders home is a HUGE red flag!

Not a single one. No reputable breeder would sell to just whomever passed by with a checkbook! Or hauls her litter of babies out to the fairgrounds for all to paw over with goodness-knows-what on their hands! And has eleven little girls back home probably being bred every heat only to have to little ones sold like produce to passers by! It's so shocking and sad.

And you just described Canton's First Monday!!

Covered Bridge in Mansfield. Her booth is on top of the hill. Down one of the rows. LOTS of puppy clothes, and things. Strollers...etc. She is selling yorkies. She has a full grown yorkie and two pups. She way to expensive on her things. I look but never buy. I can get ideas for my own projects going in.

All the above. That's what I thought. I about fell over when she said she had 11 females at home that she breeds. Big ole RED FLAG!!!! And I don't know much. I got Bella from an individual that just wanted to rehome her. Now that I look back on it, I think she was just needing money for something was questionable or divorce. She was divorced shortly after I got Bella.

Oh my that does sound like a puppy mill. That is so sad can you report her to animal control or something?

11 females spells puppy mill. I wonder how many males? No one can keep that many dogs in a home environment. They are in cages. It is much easier to cage the small dogs. They don't even get a kennel. These people turn my stomach. It's just another assembly line to them. Mass production.

I hate to say it, but I don't think I can. Her business card shows she is like 3 hours from me and she is set up for the week an hour away with no addy.

It was entertaining on my part to question her in front of the "potential" customers. LOL

As much as I love Bella and love to have my neices yorkie. There is no way in my opinion that 11 females running in a house is even healthy and safe. If I would have thought I would have asked how many males. That's a good one.

If any one from Indiana lives in the Elkart area, I have the name of the person. I can PM it.

Many show breeders have 11 females at carious life stages, however I doubt they are vreeding them all at once, in fact at that number many would be co-owned and living in placement.

Yep. Mobile, AL fleamarket too. I got the lady's card to look her up. Sickly looking female $1200 barely moving. She tried to shove it in my hands but I had my Shanti at home and didnt want her sick because I held a watery eyed little pup that was no where near 12 weeks. Nope. Not buying that line.

So sad.

I was at her booth today and there was people handleing the little puppy, then she picked up the mommy by a handle on her outfit she had on. Mom was a tiny little thing 3-4# at the most. I was getting so upset that she had such a young puppy at a place like that and then to see the tiny mom, i couldn't even go in her booth. I heard her tell the woman holding the puppy that it was for sale, not sure how old the puppy was, but she told the woman that was holding the puppy that it would only be about 2# full grown.

Sad so very sad

We go to Canton every year. Ive never been to the dog alley section,I just cannt.

Mommy was laying on a pillow or blanket by the cash register when I was there. There were two puppies when I was there also. She said the pups were 10 weeks old and definately ready to go. When I asked her if it would be better for the pups to stay till 12 weeks or a little longer she said she had never had a problem with any of her pups going to new homes at 10 weeks.

There were people holding the little female puppie and one of my friends was holding the male. The mother looked so exhausted or stressed to me.

I guess I am overly concerned about the welfare of kids and animals but I have to wonder why this woman decided to add raising dogs to her money making scam? She apparently is not concerned about their welfare and dogs do make messes that need to be cleaned up. Do you think she really gets that kind of money for the pups?

There is a puppy mill about 40 or so miles from where I live. They sell pups in the classified ads, to the near by pet store at the mall and they also ship them to other states to be sold in stores. Maybe this is just one of her puppy sale outlets. It just doesn't seem like she would sell many pups at that price at a flea market where most people are looking for a good deal.

You and I both.

They get those $ everyday however I imagine they take less after haggling.

If someone can go to a flea market looking for an antiques road show find of the year they sure can fall for the fluffy new puppy. Wonder if flea market sales solely relu on buyer impulse and therefore these breeders offer no health co tract anything just $$$a fir puppies

yes, she was laying next to the cash register when the woman picked her up by a handle on the back of her outfit dangeling her in mid air to show how small she was. I didn't even enter her booth.
This lady is there every year that i have been going to this festival and always has tiny dogs there.
On a good note i LOVE this festival, but it is the last one for the year which means winter is on it's way. I ate way too much food yesterday, hubby and kids want to go back on Wed. hmm i may have to knock off work and go with them lol.

This is so sad... 11 females? Wow, wonder how many litters and males she has running around.

I realize this isn't what your thread was really over...but you were talking out selling puppies before 12 week? Is this typically a bad sign? I know with other breeds eight weeks is fine to sell. When I bought my Amirah she was 9 weeks. Is this too early to ween?

It's not about weaning so much as socialization and reaching a healthy weight and maturity level. Yorkies and other small breeds tend to mature more slowly and the tiny pups sometimes have difficulty and extra stress when they get put in a new home at such a young age. Some get hypoglycemic and die.

12 weeks is the age when most pups are mentally and socially ready to go out on their own. At they age they are ready to go out exploring on their own and are not as dependent on the pack. Most larger breed dog will survive when taken to a new home at 6 weeks but it is like taking an infant home. You have a baby that needs all it's bodily functions taken care of and they cry when they are alone because they are scared and uncomfortable without the pack. Really a new owner that brings home a puppy 6 to 10 weeks of age is going to have their hands full for over a month when that puppy could have spent the time with it's pack learning how to socialize and become mentally and emotionally mature.

Many breeders that don't much care about these issues will sell the pups at 6 weeks of age because once the puppies start eating solid food the mom stops cleaning up after them. That means 10 times as much work dealing with a litter of puppies. If a breeder has not taken the time to have the right amount of space and the right surroundings for a growing litter of puppies they will get those pups out of there as quick as they can despite the fact that a puppy may not be ready to go out into the world yet.

Yorkies tend to have more of an issue with adjusting at a young age. The breed is famous for being finicky eaters anyway. They are so small that if they are not eating well the blood sugar level will drop rapidly and it can cause death if the owner does not spot it and act quickly. I suppose I could write part of a book on this but I hope you get the idea. I don't breed dogs but I did use to work closely with a relative that did. Years ago I did show and breed Himalayan cats and believe it or not 12 weeks is the recommended age for a kitten to go to it's new home also. There are so many uninformed and uncaring breeders out there that this type of information seems to be greatly lacking to the general public.

[QUOTE=abbey46923;4033864]yes, she was laying next to the cash register when the woman picked her up by a handle on the back of her outfit dangeling her in mid air to show how small she was. I didn't even enter her booth.
This lady is there every year that i have been going to this festival and always has tiny dogs there.
On a good note i LOVE this festival, but it is the last one for the year which means winter is on it's way. I ate way too much food yesterday, hubby and kids want to go back on Wed. hmm i may have to knock off work and go with them lol.[/UOTE]

Yes it is the last of the festivals for us. I live close to Steam Corner, which has flea markets also. I went with 6 friends and two of us bought raw almonds and that ended up being our meal, the others bought food. I would love to go to Rockville. But it's always the same ole same ole. It's the atmosphere that's fun. If you go Wed. have fun. I wouldn't mind going back towards the end of the week. Good buys to be had then.

I guess that could explain a lot of Amirah's ticks. The first two weeks that I had her I was on pins and needles over the food and hypoglycemia thing. I begged her to eat and hand feed her most of the time. Also I always and even still have syringes and karo syrup on hand. My room mate thought I was nuts. If she didn't eat she was getting karo. I took her to the vet after four days of owning her freaking out because she wouldn't eat. And this vet without even coming into the room said she probably had parvovirus granted I flipped out on the vet because she a had no other symptoms and b he never even saw her. I lectured him on good vetting practices for about 15 mins. And once he actually looked at her he realized he was wrong. Turns out she was homesick and picky. Yogurt has actually been my saving grace with this little girl.

To add to this ( and I'm sure I have little experience compared to many on the site). My sister brought home a 6 week old yorkie. When I brought mine home, he was 12 weeks. They are like night and day. My sister's yorkie is anxious and clingy. She typically does not take well to strangers or new places. She also doesn't know how to play with other dogs. Tucker, on the other hand, loves new people, is calm ( no anxieties), loves playing with other dogs, and is fine in pretty much any situation. That's just my experience.

went back to the festival today and stopped in the booth you are talking about. She was talking to another woman about her puppies, they are both sold and said she had phone calls from more people looking for pups, so the cycle will continue i am sure. She also told the woman that she had 13 females at home pluse the one she had there with her. I just shook my head and left. Also said she only breeds for the tiny tea cup ones gezzzz!