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Need help ..Again .. Sorry Hi, As you all know I am going to be getting my first Yorkie and tomorrow I have an appointment to see the breeder near me she has 3 puppies 2 girls and 1 boy. I am interested in the girls anyway when I was talking to her last night I said I was hoping she would keep the puppy until it was 12 weeks and she acted like I hit her in the face with a skillet. She took a huge gasp and said nothing for a few minutes then said WHY?:eek::eek: And I said well from what I have been told it is better for the puppy to stay with the mother until they are 12 weeks old. This seemed to completely shock her. She then said ohhhh I couldn’t do that she would be in the pen with nothing with her she will cry. I said well I was hoping that you would keep the puppy with its mother she said well I doubt you would want her with all of the dogs … would you? She has said that the puppies are raised at her home and that she has King Charles and Yorkies. And no I don’t know how many there are as yet but should be able to see tomorrow. Is this an issue do you think? I am planning on visiting the place tomorrow to get a better understanding but my question to all of you what are the points that I should make to try to get her to keep the puppy until it is 12 weeks old? Since I have been reading on her most of you think that 12 weeks is much better then 8 weeks and I just would like a list or reasons to present to her to back up my point. Thanks again everyone for your help. Just to give you information that I have the mother is with her but the sire is a pedigree international show dog. Also the breeder is on the Kennel Club and is noted that she has DNA testing with her dogs (preferred breeder per Kennel Club). :thumbup::thumbup: Thanks everyone, being a complete novice with being a dog owner much less it being a Yorkie I do so want to do this correctly but not sure of facts to present ! :aimeeyork |
Yorkies learn a lot from the there mom between 8 and 12 weeks. Socializing and biting are the big things they learn. Also at 8 weeks if the puppy is not with there mom then you will need to stay with them pretty much all the time until they get a bit older because at 8 weeks they have a higher chance of getting hypoglycemia and if that happens when your not there it could result in death. If the breeder doesn't not want to keep the pup until 12 weeks you might want to just look for a different breeder. She sounded like she didn't want to keep them until 12 weeks because she doesn't want to deal with them. |
It's very, very different in the UK. Most small dogs leave their mum/litter mates at 8 weeks....right or wrong - that's how it's always been, large or small breeds. We happened to get Harry at 12 weeks - but's that's just how it was....happened :) EVERY other dog I've had (Boxers, Labs, Westies, miniature Schnauzers etc etc) have ALL been 8 weeks old. One of Harry's littermates (the little girl) went to her new home at 8 weeks. She is gorgeous and well-adjusted and trouble-free. If I were you, I'd go along anyway, and explain the situation, and your doubts and worries. That you've read so much and learnt so much - bite inhibition, fear of blood sugar dropping in a Littlie etc....assess the whole situation, and the set-up, and the responses you get - and THEN make your decision. Hard, isn't it? But I wish you luck - and hope tomorrow goes really well for you :) Sally + Harry x |
I need help I agree with Harry's mum in as much as over here in the UK litters leave their moms at about 8 weeks, much longer and they get too attached to their moms and siblings, also mom has had enough of them as well!!! Good luck and enjoy your new pup:) |
I need help :aimeeyork Welcome from the UK. Molly and I are new to so hopefully we can swap ideas, stories etc. Would love see a photo too.:animal-pa |
<waves at Nicky> Well I just hope I don't get kicked off for asking silly questions. Just feel like I am standing on a huge cliff and want to get into the gorgous water way way down at the bottom and just can't seem to jump cause I see so many rocks .... its taken me a year to get the courage to get a yorkie. Just feel so clueless ... :confused::confused: |
I think you should still go and see the puppies and their current home. That way you can decide if you feel comfortable with the situation. It sounds to me like she wants to get rid of the puppies and if she keeps her for another 4 weeks she would plan to just keep her in a kennel anyway (not wonderful for the puppy). You will have to see how you feel once you go there. We got our first yorkie (Ginger) from a pet store at 6 weeks old (didn't know any better 9 yrs ago). The pet store owner took the time to explain about hypoglycemia and told us how to properly take care of her. We had 2 other dogs at home already (large dogs). She really took to them and so was never really alone or without other dogs. She did just fine. I guess that if the puppy is healthy then in theory everything should be fine. Good luck with whatever you decide. There are plenty of good knowledgeable people on this site than can help you out with the puppy if needed. |
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I agree....and it is much more of an imposition because we DO keep our mommas and their babies separate from everyone else....which is why I have my current momma in my master bathroom with her babies!!! But I leave the babies with her until they go out at 12-14 weeks....she is no longer nursing at all, but she certainly helped me wean these little buggers...they will eat anything she eats, so when she started to eat the gruel, they joined right in...she taught them to lap out of a water bowl...she tauight them manners....pack etiquette....which is still a work in progress.....we are in week 10 and she is teaching them they do NOT get into HER food until she is finished or she invites them there.....she also teaches them when it is play time and when they need to calm down and stop, nap.......defines for them "playing" versus "pestering".....these are all important lessons they need to learn, and momma teaches it well.... |
And if it is "normal practice" in UK to get babies at 8 weeks, then ANY breeder you go to will do the same thing! If you are comfortable with this lady, and you like what you see, then get your baby! |
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I agree. Just be prepared for any potentional "problems" in case they come up. The people here on YT can tell you just what you need to have available. Congrats and be sure and send pics! Louise |
If United Kingdom didn't have such stringent rules about bringing dogs over and into the country (okay granted rabbies is a HUGE issue hehe). I would have tried to get a puppy from a great breeder like yourself Yorkiemom1 cause I would absolutely love to have the puppy trained by it's mom and would pay alot extra for that cause I know it would be done correctly! But if I did get a puppy from anywhere outside the UK I think it would be a adult dog by the time I was able to get it home :mad: I do think this breeder is a good one basically due to the fact of her being a breeder with the Kennel Club for a number of years and having the preferred stamp because she has and had DNA testing for genetic problems with her breeding dogs. The puppy was born on the 10 of June so it wouldn't be able to come home at 8 weeks until 5th of August ... I think I will try to see if I can pick her up on the 10 August I am off that day so it works better for me, that's if I feel comfortable about the situation. (thinks to self hummm yeah tomorrow see cute adorable puppies ... that breeder is so so so getting a deposit tomorrow :dreaming: ) |
Careful! These little theives will steal your heart! :D |
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Before I get into this I myself have never been a breeder of dogs. I have helped relatives that bred and showed dogs and I learned a lot. I did show and breed pure bred cats and I can tell you that informed and experienced breeders of cats also keep kittens until they are at least 12 weeks. A puppy or kitten can often survive after they are weaned and removed from their homes but it is not in the best interest of the pup/kitten or the new owner to do so. There is a lot of physical and psychological maturing that goes on between 6 and 12 weeks. Puppies and kittens that are between 6 and 12 weeks of age are basically still in the infant stage. A new owner that obtains a young one like this is taking on the responsibility of a baby that is totally helpless and dependent. These little ones have not undergone the training and socialization that they would learn with their mom and litter mates and this will show in some traits they develop later. The fact that they are still basically infants is why your puppy is going to cry and seek out comfort for the first several weeks if it is left alone. The puppy is no where near being ready to be potty trained. They have no control and will not until they are around 16 weeks. The puppy/kitten at 12 weeks has reached a emotional and mental place where they are wanting to venture out and explore the world without fear. They are, more independent and secure in themselves. I realize a lot of people think the 12 weeks age idea is new and applies only to Yorkies but it has been closely studied by experts and is true for all sizes of dogs. Some puppies/kittens are slower at maturing and may need to be held back a few more weeks. The other issue here is that a person who is breeding in order to better the breed and is showing their stock cannot properly evaluate a puppy to determine just what quality these puppies are at such a young age. A serious show breeder is going to wait until at least 12 weeks of age to determine if these puppies are pet, breeder or show quality. I guess that is why I would question about the father being an international show dog. If this lady paid a stud fee for an international show champion or if she owned one she certainly would not be in such a hurry to sell these puppies. I would proceed with caution. She may very well have raised these puppies some where in her home but it sounds like she kennels the other dogs. By the sounds she has a large number of dogs. She told you that the male is an "international show dog" so that indicates to me that perhaps she shows her dogs? If that is what she is telling you then I would ask to see the pedigrees of both parents. I just see some conflicts here but if you are in another country that may be why I feel this way. I know that if I paid a stud fee for or owned an international show champion I would not be in such a hurry to sell these puppies for the above reasons. |
charlie 'yorkie' is now 15 weeks old i got him when he was 6 weeks old and my older dog who is now 11 years old border collie i got when she was 6 weeks old and i have never had a problem with either of them i wouldnt have had it any other way |
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I got our little girl when she was 9 weeks old and didn't know it was better for them to stay until 12 weeks. She did very well adjusting though I did spend every minute with her for the first 2 weeks. My breeder was heading out of town and I just went over to see her, but I couldn't leave her and ended up bringing her home with me. Good luck tomorrow and if you do bring her home post pics! : ) |
It is my understanding that in the U.K. puppies must be kept until 8weeks at least. It is law? I'm not sure, just remember reading a post with a gal getting a six wk old puppy, and one comment from a member who was from the U.K. saying this. With toy breeds for sure in my opinion no pup should leave the breeder until at least 2lbs and 12 weeks old. Both weight and age factors need to be present. So for the OP find out the weight of these puppies, along with the myriad of other things you need to observe at the breeders and discuss. If you want authoriative bodies, go to the YTCA.org website which delineates the age of which a Yorkie should go home. You should know what exact health test have been done. It is not just enough to know although it is good that your breeder is a preferred one with the Kennel Club. The last time I checked the National Yorkshire Terrier club's website they mentioned no specific health tests. I will mention this to you to save you trying to search for other threads on health testing. The dam and the sire should be tested prior to breeding for: 1) BATS - the bile acids test. Indicates specifically how well the liver is functioning. Yorkies are at risk for Liver Shunt - this test helps to insure neither sire nor dam are afflicted. 2) PRA - Progressive Retinal Atrophy and or other eye diseases. Must be done by a specialist. In Canada and the USA there is a registry where-in our results can be posted for all to see. 3) LP - Luxating Patella. Knees are evaluated by a vet. Both parents should be clear. 4) Thyroid function - a special expanded Thyroid panel is done to help determine if either the dam or sire is suffering from Thyroid disease. 5) Hip Dysplasia - Xrays are taken and evaluated by a reputable expert. Here it is done by OFFA. Again results can be posted on the website. I wish you all the best for your visit, and hope that if you decide on a puppy they are happy and healthy. |
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As I said before two of my dogs I got at 6 weeks , border collie vet recond she was 4 and a half weeks she is now 11 years old and she is a sweetly a lovely kind caring girl the other my yorkie 15 weeks now and is a very well adjusted boy .i did have a rescue Chinese crested that was kept in a dog crate with her mom and siblings for 12 months and she was a really sad little thing she passed away last September aged 12 but she never knew how to play we tried everything to get her to play but she never got it and she didn't like people she wasn't socialised at all so I would go fr the young puppy any day |
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All I do know is - my parents first 'family dog' which they bought for us 50+ years ago....a teensy little black poodle....was just 6 weeks old when they brought him home...and that was the norm then. I can't even remember when the norm went up from 6 weeks to 8 weeks....I'll look into it all, and report back! :D Sally + Harry x |
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Thought I'd have a quick look at what you were asking....'over here' the UK Breeding and Sale of Dogs Act states that a Licensed Breeder is not allowed to sell a puppy under 8 weeks of age. However - if a Breeder is not licensed, basically nothing prevents them from selling the pups at any age.... By the way - this is what they're saying - not me....I'm just looking into it and writing it down....:D ;) :D Sally + Harry x |
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As some of you know we are also new to this group and no doubt we will have many questions we need to ask thats the reason surely of groups like this ...so I doubt anyone will be offended when people ask just to clarify prob what we already know :)Ryman is our first dog let alone a Yorkie and had our first scare when visiting the vets recently...We brought Ryman home at 8 weeks which does seem to be the norm in the Uk as others have said! saying that we can teach him to fit in with our family...I would go take a look these breeders do know what they're talking about...usually ! just listen to your head if something doesnt look right! |
Just a Thought. When in Rome....... I have friends in UK, Ireland and New Zealand they all got their Yorkies before 12weeks of age. I understand all the benefits of keeping pups with the Mama dog in the best situation. But professional breeders do breed and raise pups for commerical sale and profit. The product is the puppy. (Here we would call them BYB or small scale Puppy Mills) Sadly we can not change the world in a day. Breed clubs should set the rules for their breed. That is a good starting place. Our Yorkie Club says 12 weeks. To get their seal of approval we have to follow their rules. The state of Florida says 8 weeks is long enough. But Yorkie breeders should follow their club rules. I don't have a prejudice against small scale private breeders. I used to be one. I did not breed exclusively to improve the breed or strive for bench show dogs. My goal was healthy well socialized Lab puppies that would become service dogs. We had 2 or 3 litters a year. Usually One or two pups from each litter was selected to be placed at 7 weeks old. They were the pups that had the best potential to become service dogs. So that left the rest of the pups to be sold as pets. Honestly I can not imagine keeping 20 Lab puppies in my tiny home until they are 12 weeks old. Most females come into heat and whelp with in a few days or weeks of each other.Two litters could yield up to 25 pups ! Potential service dogs were placed at 7 weeks with a trainer. The whole reason I am telling this ( rather long) story is to say: I believe that pups place before 12 weeks old can work out fine. It depends on how they are taught. The PREMIE ADOPTING A PUPPY UNDER 12 Weeks old Congratulations on your new Puppy. A Yorkie puppy should stay with his mother until he is about 12 weeks old. If Your puppy is younger, you have a premature puppy in a way. You will have to be his mommy and teach him like she would. 1. Umbilical Tethering Is a wonderful way to bond with your puppy and keep him safe. Hook a leash to his harness and put the other end on your wrist. He will feel secure, he can see you, smell you, and hear your heart beat and breathing. When he is not hooked to you he should be safe in his crate or play pen. You should resist the urge to carry your puppy around. This is a human instinct for human babies. Doggie babies need to walk and learn to follow the leader. Walking is much better for them, it makes their muscles strong and teaches them to look to you for directions. They learn by watching and doing what the leader does. 2. Potty Prep The mother dog begins to push the puppies out of the nest area to potty at 4 weeks, at 6 weeks they follow her to the potty place and copy her behavior. So you have to pick a place and take your baby about every 2 hours during the day. They really do not know they can hold urine, when they feel the urge to pee they pee. When they are 8 to 10 weeks old, they begin to understand they can wait a few minutes, you can begin true potty training. Always praise if they potty in the right place. Potty breaks should be short. Say your cue word ' POTTY NOW' give him 3 to 5 minutes to potty. If he goes, praise 'Good Potty' pet and maybe reward with off the leash play time in a fenced yard. You are teaching him potty first, then sniff and play is ok. LOL I don't mean to write my book here. But puppy training is my passion. Everything they learn the first 24 weeks of life forms their basic outlook on life. So it is so important to set up a good foundation of training and social behavior. |
PS............ I have also written several articles about teaching bite inhibition, crate training and so on for Premie Pups. |
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I have had dog my whole life since a child of 5. The first few came home at 6 weeks just like Sally (Harry's mum) said the rest at 8 weeks. My two yorkie pups Lilly and Molly were 10 weeks . This just how it is in the UK . The dogs do just fine and have done for many years. Go with your instincts when you see them. The breeder will have been preparing them to leave the litter already. Good luck |
as you said no animal should be kept in a cage , my girl was kept for twelve months with her mom and 6 siblings mom was blind and so was brother , detached retinas, probably from the beatings they got my girls skin was badly burned from urine scalds ,as chinese crested have no hair there was no protection for her skin , and she was half the weight she should have been, fortunately chinese crested rescue got involved and all the dogs were handed over, macey had suffered all her life from skin problems , heart problems, and she had sight problems to behavioral problems but we loved her and she had a lovely life with us , she passed away last september aged 12 , i got her when she was a year old . and we miss her dearly . |
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