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Nancy1999 03-28-2012 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by abbie's mom (Post 3864388)
I (nor any experienced raw feeder) would never recommend chicken necks or wings. I would only recommend chicken legs, thighs and portions of the breasts; and those, only under supervision.
Well, it's hard for me to know who's experience and who isn't, but someone here did recommend necks and wings. Why would a wing be bad? If you were giving a leg bone would you give a whole leg to a Yorkie? I'm assuming you take off the skin?

candigirl 03-28-2012 12:08 PM
I've been feeding Prey Model Raw for about 8 months now and researching it for much longer than that. I feed chicken necks and wings all the time. In fact they're the perfect size for Yorkies and the bones in the wings and necks are the softest and easiest for them to handle. Nancy i would assume Joey is a gulper, when first introducing meaty bone meals to dogs they tend to get so excited they forego the chewing and skip straight to the swallowing:p. A trick to get them to chew is to hold one end of it while they chew on the other, eventually it will click that they have to chew up the bones well before swallowing.

abbie's mom 03-28-2012 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3864393)
Well, it's hard for me to know who's experience and who isn't,
This is true, as for us all :).
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Why would a wing be bad?
Wings have more skin than is worth the bother. Too much skin = gastric upset. Also, a choking hazard, as are necks. Though I do know people who give them to toy breeds.
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If you were giving a leg bone would you give a whole leg to a Yorkie? I'm assuming you take off the skin?
The preferred method is whole, yes; stripping skin and fat. A whole leg at one sitting is too much for a yorkie's caloric needs however, since bone is high in calories, and that's a lot of meat for one meal.

Nancy1999 03-28-2012 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by candigirl (Post 3864425)
I've been feeding Prey Model Raw for about 8 months now and researching it for much longer than that. I feed chicken necks and wings all the time. In fact they're the perfect size for Yorkies and the bones in the wings and necks are the softest and easiest for them to handle. Nancy i would assume Joey is a gulper, when first introducing meaty bone meals to dogs they tend to get so excited they forego the chewing and skip straight to the swallowing:p. A trick to get them to chew is to hold one end of it while they chew on the other, eventually it will click that they have to chew up the bones well before swallowing.
I didn't know he was a gulper, but you’re right he is, and I will never ever feed a neck bone to him again. It was so scary, it was stuck in his neck and I had to pull it out, with him gagging. I'm just not willing to ever experience that again, and because no one ever even suggested it might be a problem, I haven't had any confidence in the safety of these things. I did think a wing torn apart might be safe, but even among the raw feeders there are so many disagreements. I will say the Bison back bones have gone well; they had them three times, and no problems. I’m kind of afraid of salmonella and with the bison back at least there’s no risk for that.

Nancy1999 03-28-2012 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by abbie's mom (Post 3864433)
This is true, as for us all :).Wings have more skin than is worth the bother. Too much skin = gastric upset. Also, a choking hazard, as are necks. Though I do know people who give them to toy breeds.The preferred method is whole, yes; stripping skin and fat. A whole leg at one sitting is too much for a yorkie's caloric needs however, since bone is high in calories, and that's a lot of meat for one meal.
I thought you always took off the skin? Yeah that what I thought about the chicken leg, and so what exactly do you give them that includes bone? I was wondering if the part of the chicken wing that looks like a little leg could be given, but then people say no.

candigirl 03-28-2012 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3864436)
I didn't know he was a gulper, but you’re right he is, and I will never ever feed a neck bone to him again. It was so scary, it was stuck in his neck and I had to pull it out, with him gagging. I'm just not willing to ever experience that again, and because no one ever even suggested it might be a problem, I haven't had any confidence in the safety of these things. I did think a wing torn apart might be safe, but even among the raw feeders there are so many disagreements. I will say the Bison back bones have gone well; they had them three times, and no problems. I’m kind of afraid of salmonella and with the bison back at least there’s no risk for that.
Lexie has never choked on a bone but i can only imagine how scary it must have been when it happened so i understand not wanting to go there again. Necks are slim and small and much easier to swallow in comparison to wings, so a pup that's new to raw probably won't know how to approach them at first.

What are the bison backs? are they raw?. I'm picturing a huge back and a tiny yorkie gnawing away lol

candigirl 03-28-2012 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3864443)
I thought you always took off the skin? Yeah that what I thought about the chicken leg, and so what exactly do you give them that includes bone? I was wondering if the part of the chicken wing that looks like a little leg could be given, but then people say no.
When introducing a dog to raw it's advised to remove all skin for a while because skin is rich. Once their system has adjusted to raw(solid poops etc) the skin can and should be left on. Raw animal fat is very healthy, it contains a lot of nutrients and amino acids. Just like there is fat in kibble and premade raw there needs to be fat in a raw diet. A lack of dietary fat can result is skin and coat problems.

I break the wing down into 2 parts usually the drumette and the wing itself with the little leg.

Nancy1999 03-28-2012 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by candigirl (Post 3864456)
Lexie has never choked on a bone but i can only imagine how scary it must have been when it happened so i understand not wanting to go there again. Necks are slim and small and much easier to swallow in comparison to wings, so a pup that's new to raw probably won't know how to approach them at first.

What are the bison backs? are they raw?. I'm picturing a huge back and a tiny yorkie gnawing away lol
That's just it, they are small enough to swallow without him chewing, but he couldn't get the whole thing down. Others have told me it's dangerous to cut it into pieces, so I've given up on neck.

Lol, Joey would just love that! Yes, the bison back rib is raw, it's the rib from the back of a bison, they have them for humans with lots of meat on them, but they also sell them for dogs where most of the meat is gone. Ann (Wylie's Mom) told me about them, they sell them at Whole Foods and she has the butcher cut in three inch sections. As I said before they haven't eaten any of the bone, they do gnaw on it, and I believe that's good for their teeth. They really love them, and it's fun to give them a treat.

yorkshel 03-28-2012 12:48 PM
I'm glad I read your posts Abbie's mom. I was giving Minnie beef bones only because I had heard they will not splinter like chicken bones. I may be wrong, but I think if a dog is going to have teeth problems, they will have them no matter what and a once a year cleaning by the vet is in order.

Nancy1999 03-28-2012 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkshel (Post 3864473)
I'm glad I read your posts Abbie's mom. I was giving Minnie beef bones only because I had heard they will not splinter like chicken bones. I may be wrong, but I think if a dog is going to have teeth problems, they will have them no matter what and a once a year cleaning by the vet is in order.
I disagree; you can do lots to help reduce plaque formation. I think you should have your dog’s teeth checked once a year, but Joey has been on a food that claims to have a tartar inhibitor. We also brush, use Petzlife, said to soften tartar, and he chews bully sticks. At 5 1/2 he still does not need a tooth cleaning, his dentist tells me to continue doing what I’m doing. I don’t think it’s genetic, because his breeder sees him regularly and thinks I must be brushing all the time, her other dogs teeth aren't like his. I don’t know what thing I’m doing helps the most, but while I think a tooth cleaning is important, I know that there are things you can do to reduce the frequency.

Lovetodream88 03-28-2012 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkshel (Post 3864473)
I'm glad I read your posts Abbie's mom. I was giving Minnie beef bones only because I had heard they will not splinter like chicken bones. I may be wrong, but I think if a dog is going to have teeth problems, they will have them no matter what and a once a year cleaning by the vet is in order.
I don't agree. Callie is a massive bone chewier (not raw bones) and I brush her teeth once a week and treat them with orvavet and no tarter! She will be five in May and has yet to need a dental cleaning and no way would I put her under every year when its not necessary.

yorkshel 03-28-2012 02:35 PM
Wow, thanks Nancy and Lovetodream. Five year old dogs that don't need teeth cleaned by a vet is great. I'll try what you both listed. It would be great not to worry about Minnie having general anesthesia once a year.

abbie's mom 03-28-2012 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkshel (Post 3864473)
I'm glad I read your posts Abbie's mom. I was giving Minnie beef bones only because I had heard they will not splinter like chicken bones. I may be wrong, but I think if a dog is going to have teeth problems, they will have them no matter what and a once a year cleaning by the vet is in order.
I don't want to highjack the OP's thread further; so will comment on this. I can be reached privately if anyone is interested. I have 10 years experience feeding Prey Model Raw, and if you look up earlier posts, was one of the first to broach the subject here. There is a wealth of information on RAW feeding on the internet, including a PMR group here with a link to a yahoo group of thousands of members, ranging from pet owners to show and service animals.

I had a mix that I switched to PMR in his 8th year, because everything else made him ill. When we had to help him across the Rainbow Bridge at 17, his teeth were pearly white, and NO bad breathe at all. I marvelled, as did the vet. He'd never had a teeth cleaning. Abigail, however, at 6, has had one cleaning, but her vet comments: "Teeth look very good - for a yorkie" :).

I will conclude by saying I no longer feed PMR, though it is my belief that if it works for your dog, it is the best natural diet for a canine. I have both my yorkies on Primal Raw, and they are doing very well.

gracielove 03-28-2012 03:35 PM
I haven't fed raw as long as abbie's mom but my little girl will be 2 in May and she has lovely clean teeth. There is nothing in kibble that cleans teeth. It's the enzymes that are in raw food that helps keep the mouth clean. Apparently someone is starting to realize this because they are making gels and sprays and other products that contain enzymes that clean the tarter off the pet's teeth. I think it is better to just never get the tarter but I guess just the fact that people are starting to realize the connection is a step in the right connection.
I also give Gracie regular size 12" bully sticks to chew on. I don't really know how much they clean teeth but it helps her with her desire to chew and they are the safest of the chew products out there.


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