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chachi 08-17-2012 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by gracielove (Post 3996405)
The standard is 4 to 7 lbs. What I am saying is that many people who want these tiny dogs get scamed by people who sell them underage puppies to make the buyer think it is going to be a tiny dog. Then it turns out the dog is actually over sized and the people get disappointed. I wish you could see the number of these dogs that end up just in the NYC area shelters alone. They are 8 to 20 pound dogs that people have either abandoned or given to the shelter due to the size and the fact they never wanted anything but a fashion accessory to begin with. The small breed dogs are being mass produced at such a rate and discarded almost as fast because so many are produced by thoughtless money hungry people who just want to make some fast and easy money.
Dont mean to correct you but its not to exceed 7 lbs according to YTCA the parenting club. It gets confused that its 4-7 lbs because thats whats on the AKC site but they dont set the standard so its just their guideline. I think it should be 4 to 7 lbs however

gracielove 08-17-2012 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3996416)
Dont mean to correct you but its not to exceed 7 lbs according to YTCA the parenting club. It gets confused that its 4-7 lbs because thats whats on the AKC site but they dont set the standard so its just their guideline. I think it should be 4 to 7 lbs however
YTCA can set their standards as they wish but if a breeder wants to win in the ring they had better be within the AKC standard. Each breed has their own clubs but when they are in an AKC sanctioned show they have to abide by AKC standards. I don't think YTCA is encouraging tiny dogs by not having a minimum weight but are more engaged in other descriptions of the breed. 20 years ago I doubt anyone imagined that a "teacup" rage would break out in the toy breed category.

chachi 08-17-2012 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by gracielove (Post 3996459)
YTCA can set their standards as they wish but if a breeder wants to win in the ring they had better be within the AKC standard. Each breed has their own clubs but when they are in an AKC sanctioned show they have to abide by AKC standards. I don't think YTCA is encouraging tiny dogs by not having a minimum weight but are more engaged in other descriptions of the breed. 20 years ago I doubt anyone imagined that a "teacup" rage would break out in the toy breed category.
I agree with you but the YTCA sets the standard the same as any other breed parent club and the AKC has to go by their definition of the standard. The AKC is just a breed registry they are not the governing body of the breed. What the AKC has listed are their guidelines

chachi 08-17-2012 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3996469)
I agree with you but the YTCA sets the standard the same as any other breed parent club and the AKC has to go by their definition of the standard. The AKC is just a breed registry they are not the governing body of the breed. What the AKC has listed are their guidelines
Another example is the AKC registers off colored yorkies because they are yorkies but they dont allow them to show however because according to the YTCA they are a color fault. If the YTCA hadnt defined them that way the AKC would allow them to be shown like any other yorkie. Itt is the YTCA tthat defines the yorkie

Lovetodream88 08-17-2012 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by gracielove (Post 3996405)
The standard is 4 to 7 lbs. What I am saying is that many people who want these tiny dogs get scamed by people who sell them underage puppies to make the buyer think it is going to be a tiny dog. Then it turns out the dog is actually over sized and the people get disappointed. I wish you could see the number of these dogs that end up just in the NYC area shelters alone. They are 8 to 20 pound dogs that people have either abandoned or given to the shelter due to the size and the fact they never wanted anything but a fashion accessory to begin with. The small breed dogs are being mass produced at such a rate and discarded almost as fast because so many are produced by thoughtless money hungry people who just want to make some fast and easy money.
I know what you where trying to say. But the standard on the AKC website says not to exceed 7 pounds not 4 to 7. American Kennel Club - Yorkshire Terrier

chachi 08-17-2012 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 3996559)
I know what you where trying to say. But the standard on the AKC website says not to exceed 7 pounds not 4 to 7. American Kennel Club - Yorkshire Terrier
Good to know it used to say 4-7 llbs and it was really confusing for people

gracielove 08-17-2012 02:45 PM
The shows are AKC run shows. The judges are paid by the AKC and judge according to the AkC standards. If judging was done according to all the individual breed club standards then the breed clubs would have to be doing their own shows with their own judges. It doesn't work that way.

chachi 08-17-2012 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by gracielove (Post 3996586)
The shows are AKC run shows. The judges are paid by the AKC and judge according to the AkC standards. If judging was done according to all the individual breed club standards then the breed clubs would have to be doing their own shows with their own judges. It doesn't work that way.
American Kennel Club - Yorkshire Terrier The AKC standard is now not to exceed 7 lbs same as YTCA

chachi 08-17-2012 09:48 PM
I will say again though its not the akc that deternines a breeds standard but their breed club. If you dont believe that you need to talk to a show breeder I have

concretegurl 08-17-2012 10:23 PM
These scams are a dime a dozen.

From puppies to lotto winning to furniture movers to a relative who cant reach you.

I always only pay with paypal or my insured MasterCard when paying online, period.

If its rushed it fake too good to be true fake talks so fast in bad spelling you spend more time decoding than reading...

Sad fact these scams are orcastrated not onky by scum balls but I violent criminal enterprises like tye Mexican Mob and they make millions and millions.

The biggest scams are the ones that cost you less than $20...why because most people NEVER report it! They figure what the heck too much effort...well $20 times thousands of people...over and over...

gracielove 08-18-2012 01:52 AM
Toy Group; AKC recognized in 1885.
Ranging in size from 4 to 7 pounds.
Companion, ratter

I worked with my family showing dogs for many years. Breed clubs may sponsor shows but the shows are AKC run by AKC rules. A dog in the ring that is below the recommended size would be ignored if not disqualified. It would be a waste of time for a breeder to put the time and money into showing an undersized animal because the reason for showing these animals is to use them to continue the line. No one is going to show up at an AKC sanctioned show with a dog with disqualifying features.

The clubs do set their standards but each dog is in a category. The Yorkshire Terrier is in the toy group as 4 to 7 lbs. Those guidelines are strictly enforced. Dogs that do not fall within those guidelines (larger or smaller) will be wasting their time and could be disqualified.

FoxxysMom 08-18-2012 02:12 AM
Am so glad you recognized this. I had this happen to but my broken hearted seller was in Africa with 2 twelve week olds. One male, one female and they were missionaries and it was too hot for the puppies. I offered to come to Africa, help with the mission then bring the babies back with me. Obviously they disappeared. To sniff out scammers, I offer to travel to them. I had one in Ohio that went along up until I asked for hotels near the airport that are pet friendly so my hubby and I can stay the weekend to not stress the puppy. Ha Ha SCAMMERS SUCK!

Lovetodream88 08-18-2012 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by gracielove (Post 3996838)
Toy Group; AKC recognized in 1885.
Ranging in size from 4 to 7 pounds.
Companion, ratter

I worked with my family showing dogs for many years. Breed clubs may sponsor shows but the shows are AKC run by AKC rules. A dog in the ring that is below the recommended size would be ignored if not disqualified. It would be a waste of time for a breeder to put the time and money into showing an undersized animal because the reason for showing these animals is to use them to continue the line. No one is going to show up at an AKC sanctioned show with a dog with disqualifying features.

The clubs do set their standards but each dog is in a category. The Yorkshire Terrier is in the toy group as 4 to 7 lbs. Those guidelines are strictly enforced. Dogs that do not fall within those guidelines (larger or smaller) will be wasting their time and could be disqualified.
Did you not look at the AKC link I posted? It says not to exceed 7 pounds.

gracielove 08-18-2012 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 3996928)
Did you not look at the AKC link I posted? It says not to exceed 7 pounds.
Yes, just above the standard it states that the Yorkshire is entered into the toy group for exhibition at 4 to 7 lbs. These limitations are not taking lightly in the ring. Every breed is entered into a specific category with specific guidelines. While it is not the official breed standard it is closely enforced in the ring.
Breeder many times produce dogs above or below these standards but they will not appear in the ring and rarely will be used for breeding.

bjh 08-18-2012 07:08 AM
A yorkie being over 7 lbs is just considered a fault, just like a bad front, rear, topline, ear set, etc. The truth is that there are some top winning yorkies that are in the 7 to 9 lbs range. Most of the top winning yorkies are the larger ones. The smaller yorkies that are under 5 lbs don't normally do well as group winning dogs. For me I would much prefer a yorkie that is a little over 7 lbs and very sound in body than a smaller yorkie that has poor structure.


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