APRI or AKC ?
 

What is the diffrence? My puppy id APRI reg. How would I get her AKC reg? I am so confused about the whole process??? Help!!!

sorry to say...APRI accepts AKC but AKC doesnt accept APRI

Fred is APRI, as well. I don't care for the papers, just the quality of the pup and he's great. I'm sure he doesn't care where he's registered either, or if he's even registered at all! :p

I was reading on APRI registered pets and the breeder needs the pedigree (just like AKC) to register the litter to make sure it's purebred.

I'm a newbie at registrars and registrations but I guess I'm not a stickler when it comes to "prestigious" AKC doggies. I think AKC is overrated, but that's just me. :rolleyes:

I feel the same Natalie. Gizmo could care less that he is APR. I love him with or without fancy papers. Of course I think he is worht millions. ;)

Phyllis

AKC is stricker on breeders and most don't like that. Records are imprtant to know your dogs history in case something comes up or to know why your dog weighs 12 pounds. When you buy a pet you should even want papers but a guarantee will suffice. When you want a purebred dog AKC is the ONLY way to go. IMO. All of my yorkies are AKC and all of my future paid for dogs will be AKC. They don't accept sub standard registries because they are not substandard. The dog will love you either way. It's just all about what you are really looking for. And you SHOULD do the research BEFORE you buy-not after.

I couldn't agree more :thumbup:

both of mine are apri

Mine's AKC. People still want so much money with NO papers. Can you believe that?

Posted this on a past thread that explains the mission of each registries

The oldest and most recognized all-breed registries in North America are the CKC (Canadian Kennel Club) the AKC and the UKC (United Kennel Club) These registries exist to promote and advance the purebred dog. They approve breed standards, maintain birth records, promote responsible ownership, sponsor and sanction dog shows and performance events, maintain offical records of these events and award titles.

Registration is not, however, PROOF OF QUALITY. The breed registries essentially the paperwork for the keeping records, though they do have regulations that must be followed they DO NOT police the breeders. In simple terms, a reg'd puppy means that he was born to reg'd parents. The responsible breeder's main goal in breeding is always to improve on their breed and in your search for a purebred dog, it is your responsibility to be selective and verify the breeder you choose.

So how important is a reg'd dog? If your goal is to show, or breed then registration papers are very important. If your goal is simply to find a companion dog go to your local shelter, If however your looking for a specific breed, a purebred dog, registration papers are still important even if you have no intentions of showing or competing with your dog. Why? because you have the ability to see the chosen puppy's ancestry. It also provides a means for a responsible breeder to track pedigree of breeding stock and make an educated decision on breeding.

In your research to finding a responsible and reputable breeder, the registry used by the breeder does play an important part. If the breed is a recognized CKC, AKC or UKC but the breeder is not registering his/her litters with the same registry be cautious and find out why! There are several reasons why a breeder would choose one of these but the vast majority of reason are not good for example being suspended from the AKC, CKC or the UKC or that the breeder refuses to abide by the code of ethics or one of many other reasons. Bottomline is a RED FLAG must be raised as to why the breeder is not using one of these registries. In addition, even if the dog is not a recognized CKC, AKC or UKC breed you need to find a breeder who is registering his dogs with the most reputable registry-single breed or all breed.

A list of other all-breed registries are ACA, APR, APRI, ARU, CRCS, CKC (Continental Kennel Club), DRA, FIC, IPDBA, NKC, NAPDR, UABR, UKCI, WKC , WWKC. Caution should be exercised when dealing with a breeder who registers with any of these registries, many breeders use the registries because they are unable to meet the more demanding requirements of the CKC (Canadian Kennel Club), AKC or UKC.

APR - starts a pedigree file with the infomation sent by the owner of the unpapered dog so he may become papered. They take the owners word for it no proof is required that it is a purebred.

APRI promotes the sale of a dog through distributors and retailers (puppy mills). They offer FREE dual registration on dogs from other reg' services to profession breeders. A "professional breeder" is one who has three or more breeding females and who regularly sells puppies in the pet market.

CKC (Continental Kennel Club) does not require a past pedigree to register a dog. They will register the offspring of any purebred dog not as purebreds but as the offspring of the purebreds under their miscellaneous section. Tehy also provide special rates to the kennels that register 10 or more breeding stock dogs (puppymills)

CRCS recognizes and tracks and papers dogs whose lineage DO NOT follow the standards of a breed, also considered an "all canine" registry. They register cross breeds or out of standard dogs.

DRA registers cross breeds such as cocker-poos and peke-a-poos

IPDBA may accept any new breed regardless of ancestry for reg purposes provided it meets the criteria of being phenotypically different from an existing recognized breed.

NAPDR A purebred dog that does not have registration papers may be registered by sending pictures. Also NAPDR has commercial rates for breeders that have 5 or more breeding dogs (puppy mills)

UABR promotes the sale of dogs through retailers and promotes retailers as a reliable source of healthy pets. Stating on their website as factual documentation that the health of puppies purchased from retailers (puppy mills) are equal and in many ways superior to those attained from other sources (the breeder).

UKCI will reg cross breeds under special registration programs as well will register a dog for whatever reason it is not registered in the litter or either the sire/dame is not registered or perhaps registry was denied from other registries. Also extends bulk discounts to breeders.

WKC reg's dog with no past history.

WWKC will register new breed (cross breed) or rare breed

I hope all this information is helpful to those buyers that are not aware of the many different registries and what each registries mission is.

Bottomline here is to proceed with caution and know your breeder and why they opt to reg with the alternative agencies. And for those breeders that explain "its because of cost" are perhaps the ones you want to avoid for those are more often the puppy mills that are in the breed for profit (quantity not quality) not abiding to the animal care principles nor their well being, more often than not producing substandard health and quality of the breed.

This doesnt mean ALL registries I listed above produce only inferior breed stock because there are respectable, responsible and caring breeders that may have aquired their dogs without papers but the dame/sire are AKC but purchased on a NO Breed contract. If that be the case some breeders have no choice than to paper their dogs else where giving credibility to the breeding program. Simply question them, ask them outright why they chose their registry and if you are comfortable with the breeder, their explaination and the quality of litter they produce don't be hesitant (unless your objective is to purchase a show quality dog and your intent is to show him/her even then there are no guarantees you have a champion).

My Yorkies are registered with the Canadian Kennel Club .

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The Canadian kennel club can be confused with CKC..Continental Kennel club..which is a joke. Canadian KC is stricter then the AKC.
Compare photo's of AKC champions to APRI Yorkie champions and you will see a big difference. The "offshoot" kennel clubs do not inspect, require DNA and many other lax rules..I WOULD own an APRI registered puppy..BUT I would not pay the same price by any means...50% LESS AT LEAST..APRI breeders will disagree.

Kai is APRI , and I am fine with that , In rural Iowa it is very hard to find a breeder , I did NOT want to buy from a pet store , I takled to a lady who was 5 and a half hours away from me she wanted 500.00 for a non papered yorkie , which was silly to me. The breeder I bought Kai from was very pro , she had all her ducks in a row as far as paper work and she anwered every question I had asked , She had planned on breeding Kai herself but was willing to let her go due to a small under bite and the fact that I was going to be a good owner for her. I did not ask about the papers and in the end it does not really matter , I paid 650.00 for her , thats 150 more then the non papered dog , plus it was only a 2 and a half hour drive. Other dogs that I had looked at in my area where 1200 at least , which was out of my price range. I don't know much about apri right now but I am learning. I can get a 5 generation pedigree on her (which I have not done yet) What do you use those for besides breeding? any how thank you to those of you who posted !!!

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Many show and reputable pet breeders will not agree with, but if you are just looking for a pet...who will be spayed or neutered, healthy and inexpensive, why not? I would not even ask for papers myself..they mean nothing unless you breed/show to me..BUT I see APRI and even Continental KC breeders asking in the thousands.

"reputable pet breeders will not agree"

Buying from some "off brand" registries "you're directly supporting puppy mills" I WILL NOT SUPPORT THAT, it bastardizes the breed and does not consider defects, their breeding program is based on "quantity NOT quality!"

Any registry that allow a person to reg their dog without proof as to is ancestory is irresponsible and does not care about the purity and standard of a breed. Many of these registries exist for the money of providing papers to a dog that would be considered substandard.

Papers are important if you care about the health of your dog and if you cringe at the thought of supporting puppy mills.

Jmo
 

I own and breed from AKC only..but that does not insure a purebred or healthy pup..I wish it did. There are still many puppymillers who have AKC stock and as long as they keep records, DNA, the AKC will accept registrations. What you and I might feel is a puppymill, AKC sees a volume breeder...not all mills are hell holes..they can be large commerical kennels, clean, well run, but not a good place to "grow" puppies. I do know most pups in pet shops are non-AKC and that should alert the buyer. I am told APRI will not accept a regsitration without AKC pedigree and proof the dog is purebred...I won't argue the point with APRI breeders..they feel the registry is superior to AKC, I do not.
AND...a heads up for the buyer...AKC papers are as honest as the breeder who fills out the info. Do you have any idea how easy it is to fake AKC papers? I would like to think few lie...but I have seen some mighty big names faking papers. A well known Boxer breeder once told me she had a litter of 3 and a litter of 4 pups...she made it all one litter to save on AKC fees. Her reasoning was..they were all being placed as pets on spay/neuter contracts, so the correct lineage was a mute point.
I vote for AKC even with all it's faults, it is still the best IMO.

Ok guys I was not asking who was better , Just what the diffrence was and if a dog could be dual registered , seems like this is a more heated subject then I knew!

Heated LOL
 

LOL..heated..not really..informative, enlightening, yes....I respect feminvstr views, infact I agree, except for teh statement that AKC means healthy and good quality...unfortunately, that knows no bounderies.

YorkieRose you say

"I would not even ask for papers myself..they mean nothing unless you breed/show to me" then you say "I own and breed from AKC only"

You have my head spinning first you say papers don't matter, yet you're a breeder and would only buy and reg AKC. I am very confused :confused:

If they are not reputable:

Puppy mills believe in quality not quantity, their bitches are over bred and not socialized, have no breeding program, push em out, wean at 3 weeks, selling them as soon as they are walking, papering with full breeding rights on their registration, mostly producing inferior quality, unheathy, oversized dogs ...then you have the buyers that think its ok to breed completing an ongoing vicious circle.

If they are reputable:
commercial breeders (ones that have more than 3 litters a year) take pride in their breed, have convictions on their breeding programs and attempt to achieve the best of the best. They wean at 6-8 weeks old, sold at 10-12 weeks on limited registration unless they feel they are appropriate standard then you may pay a premium for that right. Their bitches are treated and feed like queens, retired at 3-4 litters and either sell them as adult pets or keep them as part as their family.

Unreputable breeders come in all colors and in all registries but most would avoid AKC because of requirements and standards that MUST BE Followed!

Finally for those who falsify a reqistration because of money should be turned in to the AKC.

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So sorry I confused you.
I am speaking about a pet. If I saw a darling Yorkie I wanted as my pet only..I would not care if it had papers or not.
I have kept a couple tinies over the years and never bothered to submit their regisrations..why give AKC money for nothing? They were spayed or neutered and remained my pet for their life. Do you see any reason to register them, I do not? Of course it is a matter of opinion...and I respect yours.

As to commerical breeders..for the most part they sell to brokers, who in turn sell to pet shops. Go to USBreeders.net and ask how many commerical breeders on that forum sell "out the door" only..very few..their pups go to pet shops, Huntt Corporation brokers...they are very upfront and honest about it.. it is a matter of public record so why lie?

AS to reporting dishonest honest breeders..I have done it a number of times..I no longer bother because AKC did nothing.. In fact the breeder was an AKC inspector..need I say more. There are alot of things going on in the dog world I wish I had no knowledge about, but it is a fact of life...no different then politics.. dirty little secrets.

If I am spending $1000-2000 on a pet I would demand papers from a reputable registry.

Excuse me I must disagree "a commercial breeder" is classified as a breeder that births (3) or more litters per year. I believe that would include me and many breeders/show people I know. I DON'T think so!

Kimberly
 

HI Kimberly...as the line in the old movie, Cool Hand Luke" goes..."What we have here is a failure to communicate"..
I was referring to an actual commerical breeder..one who pocesses a USDA commerical license to breed.
The AKC does not classify any breeder with 3 or more litters as a commerical breeder, because they know many clubs will not allow as members anyone who is a commerical breeder. IF I am not mistaken that was in our by- laws..no brokers, dealers, commerical breeders..but again that could have changed on the commerical part. Many counties in the USA do insist on licensing to breed..any amount of litters..but I do know the Yorkie clubs will NOT allow any of our members to broker or sell to brokers, pet shops. etc.

I have obviously ruffled your feathers in something I have posted on this subject or others...these are purely my opinions and knowledge based on many years in the dog world.
If you would like to take this to Private Message, please feel free to contact me. I do not want to subject other members to our misunderstanding and will not post on this thread again...best wishes to you.