Now what I want to also bring up is why do families with children really need a hamster sized yorkie to make them happy. Why isnt a larger sized yorkie sufficient when it is the more obvious appropriate choice for a family with children. What is the lure?

The lure is sadly that people put their desires for a super small dog often ahead of what is really good for the tiny dog and then tell themselves they will always watch the dog when it is around the little child. Trouble is, things happen so fast you can't always stop a tragedy when you are sitting right there watching. The lure is the wanting of that tiny dog that is soooo cute. Not that plenty don't get by with this combo and nothing happens but it is a always a risk to have small children around a tiny, fragile animal - a chance I just could never take. We take enough chances having a small Yorkie share our lives and adding extra risk to the daily activity of living is one risk too much.

:thumbup:Exactly thank you for saying it

Don't look at me my Jenks is seven pounds. I would love to have maybe a five or six pound female later on like in a few years or so. I don't much care for tiny dogs personally my gram has a three pound poodle and it just freaks me out.

I honestly beleive some people think the smaller the dog the lower the cost of care.
other see the outrageous prices for undersized dogs as not only a status but as the only amount you will really spend on the dog...i.e. how cheap it will be to feed such a small dog; they have no idea how much more expensive financially & emotionally that smaller dog is going to be.

Many times it's just a modern trend status symbol as disposable as last season couture...

Yter don't hate me! I used to call the undersized ones "kick me dogs" because it seems to me just by walking you could inadvertently kick a tiny across the floor. Sad but true. I should use a better reference tho.

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The other thing that gets me is that people don't realize that a 7 pound, or even a 10 pound dog is still tiny and fragile.

I think most people realize that is small but it is not exactly tiny. Of course at this point I begin to believe it is like being a mother if you are a stay at home mom you are lazy and eat bonbons all day ...If you are a working mom you are neglecting your children. Either way you will never win because everyone believes their way is the only way and everyone else is wrong. More or less you really can't win no matter what you do.

I still feel like a lot of people are just being snobs about it. I don't nearly as many god awful clumsy kids as everyone else seems to and I have been around many small dogs though Jenks is the first one I have ever owned and I have never heard of one being injured by a klutzy child . Once I heard of a woman not knowing her dog was under her recliner and hurting it when she put the foot down but that was a chihuahua and years ago I think the little dog was around 2 pounds.

:thumbup::thumbup: They need a "teacup". :( They would be happier with a bigger yorkie and better still the dog would be happier, and safer. I don't believe in small dogs with small children for both their safety. But that is just me.

Yes, small children can drop a Yorkie and this can be fatal. Your children might be raised different but what about their friends that come into your home? Make sure children are alway sitting on the floor when holding your Yorkie. Yorkies are not for small children because they are fragile.

We got our first ever dog when my daughter was 2.5. I opted for a cocker spaniel. It was a sturdy dog, not too big and although he was about 18 pounds we went where we went. That love of our life is now deceased but I couldn't have saw myself with a yorkie when my child was that small. She would pull and tug and had to learn how to be gentle with a pet. Luckily our Jackson was tolerate of her learning.

After his death we waited a year and she was 6. By this time she was familiar with how to treat animals and I felt that a yorkie would be ideal at this time after researching the breed and fitting a pet into our lifestyle.

I wasn't expecting Troy to be as tiny as he is (4.5 pounds). I didn't specify with the breeder what size dog we wanted. We told her our situation and she presented me with dogs that would fit our situation. I picked and we got Troy. I think anyone who is considering a yorkie should evaluate the bigger picture and work with the breeder if possible to pick the best pet for that household.

The Closing Argument. Last post on this from me I hope. First let me say I am thrilled to see new young people join us on YT. In time you will be the senior advisers to a new Yorkie generation. By then you will have seen and heard it all.
I agree that some of us are set in our ways and very opinionated. Over the years, I have heard, seen the results, or know personally Yorkies, that were hurt, crippled and even killed from accidents. I will do everything in my power to keep them safe. If that means saying No to someone planning on having children, or that already have small children, then so be it.
Right here on Yorkie Talk we read stories about puppies being stepped on, dropped, escaping accidently, hit by cars and even abusive boyfriends, parents, children or neighbors. If taking small children off the list of things to consider, I am ok with that too. Yes, we may seem snobby, cliquish, and a bit like a wound up holy roller preacher at revival. I assure you it is just because we love Yorkies so much. For some of us they are our life focus. Once you have your Yorkie we will do everything we can to help you with problems. We will try our best to give sound advice, support and love. If you have a Yorkie you ARE one of us. We may not agree on things but, like a family that is ok. We can respect each other anyway.
We tried to answer the question, Why do some of you think small children and Yorkies is a bad idea. I think we have answered that.
I used to raise Labs in the 1970s and I never heard of one puppy dieing because it was stepped on, dropped, sat on, or closed in a door. And today I still highly recommend them as a family dog. They can bond with a whole family, much better than some other breeds that tend to be one person dogs. They are loyal, smart, easy to train, quick to housebreak, and have tons of energy.
I think Yorkies are perfect dogs for people that want a constant companion, someone to spoil, snuggle, and pamper. Yorkies will never grow up, move out, go away to school or stop letting you fuss over them. They don,t usually cost as much as a college education, and love you until their last breath.

Obviously, you will feel the way you feel about it. 7 and 10 pounds is still tiny and fragile, though, especially in relation to a child.

As for you having never heard of a child injuring one, than you have been most fortunate. Stick around here long enough and I can guarantee that won't be the case. Calling breeders who choose to not sell to families with children snobbish certainly won't help make your case.

If my snobbishness keeps one yorkie from unnecessarily being injured or killed than I will wear it with honor. I am an advocate for dogs that dont have a voice to speak up for themselves not for people who cant or wont see what is an appropriate choice for adopting a dog for their family

I don't see any reason a child should be allowed to hold a small dog or an infant to start with. I also don't let people bring children in my home that can't behave themselves. I can meet for a play date at the park and not have to worry about someone's child hurting my dog or destroying my home.

I mostly agree with you it just seems like people with children/children are being demonized. You yourself mention escaping accidentally, getting hit by cars, abusive boyfriends and neighbors. It is hard to enjoy my time here when I feel like the person I am asking for advice probably feels like I am irresponsible or that I don't absolutely adore and take the best possible care of my Yorkie. I have used google looking for other Yorkie forums but have yet to find any. I think maybe I will be better off sticking to books for the time being. When I first got here it seemed like a good place to get information but I feel like an atheist in a southern baptist church in here sometimes.