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SweetLifetime 10-15-2011 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3693933)
I agree to an extent. I think most people call a yorkie with a shorter muzzle baby doll. It's the breeders who use the term to entice people I have qualms with.

On another note, show breeders that have pups they think wouldn't be a show prospect sell those. If they are a show prospect they wouldn't sell them, they would show them. But there have been many times I've heard that a breeder sold one they didn't think would be a show prospect, only later to see them a bit older and change their mind. :p
We agree. ;)

As far as Cody goes, it doesn't really matter either way because I wouldn't have shown him anyway. He's coming to our home as a family member and nothing more. :)

capt_noonie 10-15-2011 06:24 PM
Just wanted to add that you can tell if a pup has hydrocephalus if you can easily see the whites of their eyes in the inner corners. If you look up some "breeders" who advertise on youtube, a lot of these pups will have this look. Like their eyes are looking too different directions. So sad.

Patti 10-15-2011 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by topknot (Post 3693708)
:thumbup:
See Yorkshire Terrier Club of America Code of Ethics #8 Under Code of Ethics: Use of Terms.

The smaller nose yorkies can have problem with their teeth. Teeth care will need to be kept up and checked very often, especially as they become older - 3 years and up. This is one thing that one needs to be aware of if purchasing a pup with smaller muzzle. We do not want yorkies to get too small in the face/muzzle, since it can cause problems - such as breathing, bites, teeth care, and also problem in whelping (ex. other breeds that have short face/muzzles). The standard is there and written with great care in mind for the breed.
I never knew that. It explains why Pixie my baby doll faced one has terrible teeth. By 3 she already had teeth extracted and needs another dental soon.

dkcombs 10-15-2011 08:04 PM
WOW never knew so many terms relating to Yorkies. So far we have been very lucky.

jennzy 10-15-2011 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3693643)
Teddy bear, baby doll, hello kitty (yes, even that!), teacup, micro, etc, the list goes on and on. Any breeder who would use any of these type of words are just trying to get you for more money. A reputable breeder would never use terms like that.
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Does hello kitty yorkie face mean a yorkie without a mouth like a hello kitty?
(my attempt at a lame joke)

I'm so curious about this!!!

But yeah, i too learned that all these are money making name schemes just like teacup yorkies

capt_noonie 10-15-2011 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jennzy (Post 3694117)
Does hello kitty yorkie face mean a yorkie without a mouth like a hello kitty?
(my attempt at a lame joke)

I'm so curious about this!!!

But yeah, i too learned that all these are money making name schemes just like teacup yorkies
Yea the muzzle is so short they have no mouth! No I'm jk. Really, I think it was from an asian puppymill, and you know how popular Hello Kitty is in Asia, heck I love HK too. But it's just another marketing ploy. :thumbdown They will come up with anything to make more money.

The first time I heard of a micro... I had Uni, a girl and her bf came into my shop. They said oh Uni is cute, we just got a yorkie too, but she's a micro. I said, what's a micro? They said, it's smaller than a teacup, she's like this small *cupping hands*. Turns out they got her from the pet shop down the street. :rolleyes:

gracielove 10-16-2011 09:20 AM
Many years ago when I started researching Maltese I noticed that some of the breeders said their puppies had "baby doll" faces. That sounded good but I had no idea what it meant at first. Seems some breeders breed toward a shorter snout and that is considered a baby doll face. It's pretty obvious that some of the show breeders are breeding Yorkies for a shorter snout as well as other things. In the show business there are usually trends towards particular looks. I didn't realize at first that Yorkies were doing the baby doll look but when I saw what was winning in the ring it was pretty clear though I don't think they would call it baby doll.

chachi 10-16-2011 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by gracielove (Post 3694535)
Many years ago when I started researching Maltese I noticed that some of the breeders said their puppies had "baby doll" faces. That sounded good but I had no idea what it meant at first. Seems some breeders breed toward a shorter snout and that is considered a baby doll face. It's pretty obvious that some of the show breeders are breeding Yorkies for a shorter snout as well as other things. In the show business there are usually trends towards particular looks. I didn't realize at first that Yorkies were doing the baby doll look but when I saw what was winning in the ring it was pretty clear though I don't think they would call it baby doll.
There are good and bad breeders in the show world but the ones that care about their reputation are breeding to the standard and arent breeding for a small muzzle. There are also health problems that can come with small muzzles and they are aware of that.

Belle Noir 10-18-2011 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by topknot (Post 3693708)
:thumbup:
See Yorkshire Terrier Club of America Code of Ethics #8 Under Code of Ethics: Use of Terms.

The smaller nose yorkies can have problem with their teeth. Teeth care will need to be kept up and checked very often, especially as they become older - 3 years and up. This is one thing that one needs to be aware of if purchasing a pup with smaller muzzle. We do not want yorkies to get too small in the face/muzzle, since it can cause problems - such as breathing, bites, teeth care, and also problem in whelping (ex. other breeds that have short face/muzzles). The standard is there and written with great care in mind for the breed.

Factually speaking, those that are breeding "apple headed" yorkies are breeding outside the standard, as the standard states for the head, small and rather flat on top, the skull not too prominent or round.
But then there is this..
the muzzle not too long, with the bite neither undershot nor overshot and teeth sound

When does not too long become too short? Saying not too long implies that the muzzle is long.. But only implies it, without directly saying so. Perhaps there should be a codicil that also states not too short as well.
The other night, I was doing my usual yorkie website trawl, and I saw the most appalling thing, IMO... Yorkies with muzzles so short, they were damned near pugs!!!
There were baby pictures in profile and they had no face! I mean, it looked like someone smashed their poor faces into a wall and flattened them.

gracielove 10-18-2011 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3694684)
There are good and bad breeders in the show world but the ones that care about their reputation are breeding to the standard and arent breeding for a small muzzle. There are also health problems that can come with small muzzles and they are aware of that.
I'm not stating if this trend is good or bad. It is a fact that the show world can be very political and trendy. You can look at how many breeds looked 50 years ago and what is winning in the ring today and you will see that although many characteristics of the breed are the same there are many that are very different. I could name several breeds that have been effected by this trendy type of breeding. There are those who have been breeding and showing Yorkies for years that are concerned about what the trend has become in the Yorkie show ring while others continue to breed toward what is popular. It is evident that smaller dogs are popular in some circles.

If you compare the Yorkshire Terrier of even 30 years ago to the current show dogs you can see an obvious difference in face and body type. There are all kinds in the show world but the fact is if you want to win in the ring these trendy looks are what tends to get the ribbons with certain judges.

KazzyK810 10-18-2011 02:59 PM
Apple head, Hello Kitty, BabyDoll, Teddy Bear??? wth? It's supposed to be a yorkie...a terrier.

I see those things with the round dark eyes, set wide apart on round lil heads...looking like some anime creature. I think they look downright creepy and more than slightly mentally deficient with their vacant stares. Can't believe people would pay money for that. Those kind of descriptions remind me of those creepy looking critters on that luxpup site.

LuxPup.ca -

FlDebra 10-19-2011 12:04 AM
Sorry for duplicate posts!

FlDebra 10-19-2011 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Belle Noir (Post 3696851)
When does not too long become too short? Saying not too long implies that the muzzle is long.. But only implies it, without directly saying so. Perhaps there should be a codicil that also states not too short as well.
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There are many publications that will help in judging Yorkshire terriers (as well as other breeds). I go by the following (which I have seen online in several places as well as the same information in books on showing and breeding Yorkshire Terriers):
Young Yorkies Present AKC Standard Yorkshire Terriers Explained by Carolyn Hensley You get to see pictures of what constitutes too long and too short on muzzles along with several other characteristics that are left somewhat subjective in the actual standard. It does help define the ideal much better when you can see it in a picture!


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