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My Princess had a spay/abortion.

Find a reputable vet if you have difficulty I'd hope some YT members in the area would suggest their vets otherwise ask for referral and also contact the ytca for reputable small breed or Yorkie specialty vets in your area.

At this point pre-op blood work and normal pre-spay things are a mute point you are already in a crisis live or die situation...do the spay immediately.

Good lord talk about being stupid and a irresponsible pet owner!! Geez!! Is this thread for real don't judge her?????? She is kidding right?????:mad::mad: I better close before I go crazy with comments!!

Sound advice???? Abort this Pregnancy or your PG girl will probably die!!

I am glad that you are making the right decision . It is best to do it this way then to further risk your female's life .

I think someone is pulling our leg! What vet would say he thinks it would be "cool" to breed a 6 pound male to a 3 pound female yorkie? I don't buy that! Then the folksy subject line, asking for a "whoopin'!" Give me a break. I think someone just wants to get the fur flying around here. If this is a real situation, then we need to pull the license of a vet and take away parental rights from this yorkie owner!

I am sorry yesterday this post really, really upset me.... It still does, I could have however been a little more tactful in my scolding of poster for that I apologize... I guess the best advice I could give you is change vets immediately! Please do what is best for your sweet baby girl???? I guess we just hear so much the same story, no way should a female be bred when this small. Period. Won't you please do right by your Baby girl? Hugs

Are you being serious??? OR is this thread just a HOAX to get us all upset???? WHO CARES if a vet tells you it will be OK???? Is your baby REALLY just 3 pounds????? Who in their right mind WOULD ALLOW a 3 pound baby to breed??? And with a SIX pound male??? Having yorkies, knowing they depend on ME for every decision in their little lives, I would totally re-think your allowing her to have these puppies!! IT COULD KILL HER!!!! Are these unborn pups worth more to you than their momma??? Argggg....nevermind...Ill shut up now

:thumbup: It is absolutely possible. I do hope it is a fake situation ! If one wants a flurry of urgent advice just post something that deliberately thumbs it's nose at responsible pet care.
Many of us on YT, would give up Vacations that are not doggie friendly, budget hamburger for us and the best food for them. We would cut our own hair and take them to the groomers. Skip eating out because our Vet visits were a bit more than expected. I could go on...... So breeding a tiny 3 pound girl is just......unthinkable.

I don't know where you are in Michigan, or what vet for that matter would tell you to breed a dog sinply because it's "cool". But after many vet tries, I have decided on Shelby Vet.
Crystal, aka Ellie May suggested some vets to me that I didn't get a chance to try, but are on my list if I ever wanted to keep my options open.

Good luck. And I agree with previous post, is this too deja vu?

I am 85 pounds and had a perfectly healthy 7lb baby girl totally 100% natural. Not one single drug. Should I have aborted my baby sicne I was so small? I loved this forum when I found it but WOW everybody is so Negitive about everything. I have several questions I would love to ask but I am scared to post anything about my puppy because all anyone wants to do is judge here it seems like. Vet bills will be expensive and times will be stressfull but if the vet said it was ok then I am sure that not one person passing judegment has a vet degree on here?? Just saying. I dont normally post on to much but this one caught me a little off guard. I know humans are different than dogs but like I said, my dr told me I could not deliver natural because I was really tiny too but 9 years later my daughter is a beautiful healthy little lady.

Dogs arent the same as humans and if you had been on here long enough and saw some of the tragedies we have seen from this tiny dogs giving birth maybe you would have a different perspective. That she is too tiny to have pups is one strike against her. That she bred to a dog 3 lbs bigger than her is a second strike. You may call it judgemental but I call it looking out for the dogs best interest and giving advice for whats going to be best for the dog. By the way a 7 lb child for an 85 lb person is normal. 7 lbs is an average baby weight. When I was 90 lbs I had a 12 lb baby now that is big

You are very lucky you had a positive outcome when you went against medical advice. Just bc you had a positive outcome does not mean all will - that is why the advice was given to you not to try childbirth.

I do not personally know all factors that were considered when giving you that advice; however, I have worked in the medical field for years, have education and professional licensures in it. I have personally worked on young women who went against medical advice and got pregnant when it was not advised due to higher risks associated w certain medical conditions. Their outcomes were not positive. It still haunts me to this day the look of fear on their faces as they realized their decision to go against medical advice was going to cost them their lives. We all make bad decisions at times. It was hard to watch a beautiful, vibrant, young person pay that large a price for theirs.

Please do not encourage others to fly in the face of medical advice. I am glad you are one of the few who is alive and well, as well as your child. Not all are so fortunate.

I'm very glad that things worked out well for you. Unfortunately, in my end of the delivery room I have seen far too many infants seriously injured, or killed, when a parent refuses to follow medical advice. Presumably, you made your
choice after careful consideration of the risks and benefits. A dog, however, is not asked if they consider the risks acceptable. They are not included in the decision of whether its ok to risk a c-section or a stuck pup, develop eclampsia or any of the other risks associated with breeding. They are dependent upon us to provide appropriate care for them.

Whelping is an under-studied area in veterinary training. Unless the vet is a reproductive specialist, the odds of them knowing the ins and outs of the risks of breeding such a tiny female to a male twice her size may allude them. Just
in general, I find it odd that ANY vet would say that breeding is "cool" no
matter what the size of the dam and sire. Most vets I've had the pleasure of
Working with say quite the opposite.

A0003...read more please.

Well, here is the opposite effect. I weigh a lot more than 85 pounds and my son was 9 lb. However, I was unable to have him and ended up with a c-section. So I don't think that is a good argument on this issue.

I also hope that you don't think everything is negative on here because it is not. We don't intend on being negative. Instead we are trying to make sure that they understand the risks involved. When you are "talking" on a forum things can be taken in the wrong way.

Many of us are surprised that the vet said this was ok because it contradicts what the majority of us have heard from our own vets. We don't have vet degrees per say but I know many many of the posters have years and years of experience with Yorkies. I think the main thing they try to do is educate the individual so they may do what is best for the pup.

I couldn't agree wIth you even more, IRRESPONSABLE VET AND IRRESPONSABLE MOM!!!!! :thumbdown

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This is a little off topic, and my apologies, but I have to say.... 12 lb is HUGE!! You should never have to cook on a Mother's Day again in your life! (Actually, instead of "birth flowers" you should have gotten a "birth car"! :D)

Having gone through the birth process 6 times. I think that a diamond would of been a good gift here. Unless the car is a BMW.

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I was 130 at delivery and the 8 pounder I just had about did me in!

Could barely carry him and was almost completely impompasitated the last 2 months, hips size (pelvis) matters most mine is now 26 it was 24 before him!

My 6 12 oz first child was super harsh almost had a cesarean with her, my next 5 lbs 15 oz (small to most average for my fam.) so ye the 8 pounder was a bit difficult.

Now imagine the human translation for the Yorkie pelvis ration, kind of equivalent to a 18-19" by my estimates and a 14# baby (low estimate and that's just one hm dogs have litters not always single births) considering the mother to child size ratios.


Edit Note:I'd like to know the vet's name so they might receive correspondence but hm I wonder what vet would say such in reality.

Hmm...

If only that one button was added to the YT image selection. Think it would be appropriate for now..


With that being said, I've never had a baby. However, I'm 6'1 so given my higher weight I could brith a 20 pounder and still make it thru? That doesn't make much sense to me, and in fact sounds very painful. Humans have different options with birth, that include C-section, and drugs. And humans, since pregnant women are vocal, we know what's going on physically in birth. And with that being said, we also don't birth litters. Well, normally don't, unless you watch John and Kate Plue 8.

With pets, there's two options, natural and c-section. And given the small bodies and lack communcation, vets can only assume how the mom is doing. And if there is multiples, like most litters, those pups are draining all the nutrients from the Mom making her even more weak.


A small, tired, weak dog trying to give birth...Common sense should be going off...

Yea he was big but I was 21 and had alot more energy and stamina than I do now. I remember being uncomfortable but not miserable and was shocked when I found out how big he was. Now I did have an epideral with him so that helped. My last child was only 6 lbs and I had to have c section with her so go figure.

I an glad the OP posted and I am also pleased to read all.of the tuff love posts. Not only did I see resolution here but I learned some things also. I never knew a 3 pound baby shouldn't breed. I couldn't do it myself just because at that size they would always be a baby to me but the responses taught me things that may help me to help someone else. I like that YT members tell you what's best and not what you want to hear
To the poster who is scared to ask questions afraid of mean answers, I'm that way on a different type board but sometimes the need to know outways a little tough love.
OP, your baby really needs you. Those puppies won't be 3 pounds like her. Don't risk it for money or cute factor or anything.

i hope you do't leave the site
 

i usually dont get involved in these "heated" discussions, but i just wanted to say, i dont think the people who have commented on here have been rude. I Have Read Rude Posts On Here, before i joined that scared me!lol.. but i think in this thread, everyone has stated their opinions and advise in a civil manner.. i do hope that you see that and are able to freely post on here. there are really some great people on here, great advice:animal-pa

To the OP, i dont know anything about breeding so ill just say, I hope everything works out well for this little girl and you:)

I have been reading this thread for several days now and have come to the conclusion that the person who started this is not being honest. I have lived a few decades now and have had many pets as well as a few vets that I have done business with and none of them would have even suggested that breeding an undersized female dog was OK.

Yet this person states that she knows at least 3 vets that have no problem with this situation. Not only that, she also says the vets have no concern that the dog has not grown since it was a puppy! Now the next mystery......a vet that does not want to do surgery because of the size of his hands? Really? Vets do surgery on ferrets and small kittens. If a vet could not spay a small dog he could not do any kind of surgery because surgery on any size dog requires intricate sewing work on small organs inside all kinds of animals.

I realize there are substandard people in all professions but I do not believe that this person has found all of these substandard vets.......at least not by accident. While I believe that a person might be irresponsible enough to breed an undersized dog that is where I get off in this fantasy. Now they want advice? I don't think so.

I'm just seeing this thread - missed the whole thing before today. Your female is fortunate to be alive if she really is as small as you say and the sire was the size purported though unless she had a C-section, I hate to think how horribly tough her delivery was. I had a little 3 pounder but I would never have let her deliver and risk her life. I surely hope that you have this tiny female spayed so she never has to be at risk of any pregnancy again.

this post just screams irresponsible to me.