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Spitfires 08-18-2011 08:29 AM
Jackie O ate Enapril!!!
 
Jackie O ate 5mg of Enalapril (High blood pressure pill)! It was her uncles (pug) pill that apparently she spit out and my inlaws failed to see. My vet is in surgery and isn't able to talk. I called her uncles Vet and she said it will just make her hyper(just what we need and even more hyper puppy) and she suggested to boil down 4 prunes and let her eat it. She actually really liked it I guess cause it's sweet. Jackie O now weighs 6.5lbs. Anyway I was just hoping for some advice as I am still freaking out!

Ellie May 08-18-2011 08:34 AM
They didn't just have you induce vomiting? Unless you really trust the vet you talked to, I'd keep trying to get ahold of yours. The normal dose is .25mg/lb, so this was quite a bit of an overdose.

chachi 08-18-2011 08:36 AM
I think you need to contact another vet

YorkieRose 08-18-2011 08:37 AM
I am not a vet, but I would think it would have the opposite effect...make her tired..it is for BP..anyway..I would not have given prunes...you do not need a dog with loose stools on top it all...make sure you get through to the vet...but I doubt it will hurt her much since it a medication canines can take..not sure of the dosage.

Nancy1999 08-18-2011 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3638736)
I am not a vet, but I would think it would have the opposite effect...make her tired..it is for BP..anyway..I would not have given prunes...you do not need a dog with loose stools on top it all...make sure you get through to the vet...but I doubt it will hurt her much since it a medication canines can take..not sure of the dosage.
That's what I thought at first, but it's not a diuretic, which gets rid of excess water. "It works by decreasing certain chemicals that tighten the blood vessels, so blood flows more smoothly and the heart can pump blood more efficiently." Here's more information:
Enalapril - PubMed Health

Rhetts_mama 08-18-2011 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3638749)
That's what I thought at first, but it's not a diuretic, which gets rid of excess water. "It works by decreasing certain chemicals that tighten the blood vessels, so blood flows more smoothly and the heart can pump blood more efficiently." Here's more information:
Enalapril - PubMed Health
I think her reasoning for not giving the prunes is that you don't want a decreased fluid volume caused by diarrhea. You want to maintain fluid to keep the blood pressure up.

I would contact the animal poison control line and look for an er vet, ASAP. If her blood pressure drops precipitously there will only be a short time before cardiac arrest or permanent organ damage occurs.

Nancy1999 08-18-2011 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3638759)
I think her reasoning for not giving the prunes is that you don't want a decreased fluid volume caused by diarrhea. You want to maintain fluid to keep the blood pressure up.

I would contact the animal poison control line and look for an er vet, ASAP. If her blood pressure drops precipitously there will only be a short time before cardiac arrest or permanent organ damage occurs.
Oh . . . okay. :)

Spitfire, I hope you find some answers soon, best of luck!

gidget529 08-18-2011 09:18 AM
I agree w Rhett's Mama. I would be taking her to an Er vet or to your vet as an emergency. This is going to drop her blood pressure. She needs to be where someone can monitor vital signs and administer fluids/meds as needed.

gidget529 08-18-2011 09:18 AM
She is also right about calling poison control.

gidget529 08-18-2011 09:28 AM
At .25 mg/lb, if your dog is 5 lbs, that would mean her safe dosage would be 1.25 mg. If my calcs are right, 5 mg is the dosage for a 20 lb dog.

Spitfires 08-18-2011 09:39 AM
I realized that it was 5mg and not 10mg. We have a nurse in the family. And she is taking her vitals every 5min. I am giving her plenty of fluids with a syringe. I spoke to another vet and she said that she would be ok but just watch her like a hawk. He said that he has given yorkies 5mg before. I'm currently next down the street next to a vet hospital so I feel comfortable having her relaxing here and eating her bully stick.

When I took her outside to see if she would poop she was eating a bunc of grass. From what I under stand grass = fiber so I guess she wants to poop.

Also hopefully there isn't a next time. But if I need to induce vomiting what is the best way? A finger to the throat? Thanks everyone for your advice.

Rhetts_mama 08-18-2011 09:46 AM
They eat grass to induce vomitting when they have an upset stomach, so be prepared.

The normal way of inducing vomitting in a dog is with hydrogen peroxide, ask your vet for the correct dose based on your dogs weight.

Oral fluids might be helpful, but if her bp drops she's going to need IV support.

http://www.wedgewoodpetrx.com/learni...inary-use.html

Ellie May 08-18-2011 09:51 AM
When a dog who doesn't normally eat grass does start, they are usually highly nauseated.

Well, you can't take BP on a dog at home and only a vet can give you the correct safe limits for pulse and respiration in a case like this. I have nurse friends also; however, they know nothing about dog health at all...

Not sure why the vet didn't tell you to induce vomiting, and if two said it is fine, I guess there is nothing more to do. But I'd be calling poison control. If there is reason to watch her like a hawk, then there is reason to be very concerned.

gidget529 08-18-2011 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Spitfires (Post 3638789)
I realized that it was 5mg and not 10mg. We have a nurse in the family. And she is taking her vitals every 5min. I am giving her plenty of fluids with a syringe. I spoke to another vet and she said that she would be ok but just watch her like a hawk. He said that he has given yorkies 5mg before. I'm currently next down the street next to a vet hospital so I feel comfortable having her relaxing here and eating her bully stick.

When I took her outside to see if she would poop she was eating a bunc of grass. From what I under stand grass = fiber so I guess she wants to poop.

Also hopefully there isn't a next time. But if I need to induce vomiting what is the best way? A finger to the throat? Thanks everyone for your advice.
It is hard to measure BP in dogs under 15 pounds. How is she maintaining an accurate BP check on this pup? Does she know normal systolic/diastolic rates in canines? Blood pressure monitoring - VetInfo Here is a link on BP info in measuring BP in canines.

Rhetts_mama 08-18-2011 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3638794)
When a dog who doesn't normally eat grass does start, they are usually highly nauseated.

Well, you can't take BP on a dog at home and only a vet can give you the correct safe limits for pulse and respiration in a case like this. I have nurse friends also; however, they know nothing about dog health at all...

Not sure why the vet didn't tell you to induce vomiting, and if two said it is fine, I guess there is nothing more to do. But I'd be calling poison control. If there is reason to watch her like a hawk, then there is reason to be very concerned.
I was wondering about measuring the bp in a small dog. It's also not as if people just happen to have the mini cuff available in their bathrooms.

I bet your nurse friends are like me, we know enough to know some of the things that can go wrong so we high tail it to the experts.


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