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lizzarobles 02-17-2011 01:36 PM

Thought about the eyesight. Will look into this. I also have considered diapers. She does have access to her pee pads when restricted, but I will eliminate the restrictions with all the info that I have gotten. I have never been in a situation like this before with any pet, so if I have done things wrong what I am looking for is to do them right. Thanks!

Teresamag 02-17-2011 01:39 PM

I think you are using the newspaper wrong. Take the newspaper, roll it up, and when necessary use it to "wack" yourself on top of the head while repeating "I should have watched her closer". :)

I know you love your girl and it's frustrating but it's just not loving to use punishment like this on a little dog, it's like hitting a human toddler because they regressed with their potty training.

You have been given some wonderful advice on here, I would suggest getting a second medical opinion also, very often UTI's or bladder stones can cause these types of accidents. Maybe she has some other undiagnosed problem - especially since she only started eating stool 6 months ago. That suggests to me that something else is going on.

My 15 year old Yorkie can't hold it longer than 6 hours any longer so she stays in a puppy pen with a bed, food, water, and potty pads when we aren't home. When we are home we just take her outside more often.

Good luck,
Teresa

Jinger 02-17-2011 01:42 PM

I always wonder how a person can be a dog-lover and dog parent and at the same time be a person who gets totally bent out of shape over a little pee or poop (or, for that matter, poop eating--they ARE dogs, afterall:confused:). Especially the teeny bit of pee or poop that happens with a yorkie accident. I just pick it up, or use the carpet cleaner right then...problem solved...without incarceration or violence. I think that an older dog who ends up having an accident inside is most likely VERY embarassed and already feels VERY bad about it. My heart goes out them.
I hope that anyone tempted to hit, or any other harmful thing, will realize their own mistake and rethink their actions--take a deep breath and start again a new way.

107barney 02-17-2011 01:46 PM

Please have your husband, mom, day, child or friend take the rolled up newspaper out of your hand. Ask them to swat you with it and lock you in a closet. I think it might help you the most if you knew how this felt to your dog, and I can't think of a better way than first hand experience.

TexasKat08 02-17-2011 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinger (Post 3432579)
s--take a deep breath and start again a new way.

Most parents put their kids in time out when the kids are naughty. My DH and I put ourselves in time out (take a deep breath, count to 10 before we react). More often than not what our kids - and pets - are doing to frustrate us is not their fault and we need to cool off before we correct their behavior.

Ellie May 02-17-2011 01:54 PM

It will do no good to confine a dog for hours for any bad behavior, really. Hitting is not training.

Get a second opinion. If this was all of a sudden in a normally well behaved dog, there is probably something being missed. Xrays done? Ultrasound? Urinalysis? Culture and Sensitivity? Bloodwork? Trial of Proin?

Diapers are fine as long as you are simultaneously trying to figure out what the problem is. Change the pads as soon as she pees or she will end up with urine burn. If it is behavioral, there is really no reason why she can't spend a lot of her time in diapers as long as you are very careful with it.

BonBon 02-17-2011 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lizzarobles (Post 3432571)
Thought about the eyesight. Will look into this. I also have considered diapers. She does have access to her pee pads when restricted, but I will eliminate the restrictions with all the info that I have gotten. I have never been in a situation like this before with any pet, so if I have done things wrong what I am looking for is to do them right. Thanks!

It's good that you're trying to find the right way. You'll find a lot of helpful information here on YT from lots of experienced, loving yorkie parents.

chachi 02-17-2011 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3432592)
It will do no good to confine a dog for hours for any bad behavior, really. Hitting is not training.

Get a second opinion. If this was all of a sudden in a normally well behaved dog, there is probably something being missed. Xrays done? Ultrasound? Urinalysis? Culture and Sensitivity? Bloodwork? Trial of Proin?

Diapers are fine as long as you are simultaneously trying to figure out what the problem is. Change the pads as soon as she pees or she will end up with urine burn. If it is behavioral, there is really no reason why she can't spend a lot of her time in diapers as long as you are very careful with it.

Im glad you responded. I really think there is something medically wrong for this dog to just start this especially at its age

Yorkiedaze 02-17-2011 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lizzarobles (Post 3432444)
I need serious help. Jesseca is a 10 year old yorkie that has been treated as if she was an only child. She started stool eating six months ago. I gave her the powder and the pills that are offered for this condition without luck. The only way to avoid it is to be around when she poops to eliminate it quickly. If I am not around it will disappear. Two weeks ago she started urinating everywhere except her weewee pad. She knows that she is doing wrong and hides. She has been punished by keeping her in a restricted area for a couple of hours and also has been swapped with a newspaper. The ultimate was that she urinated her bed because I did not take her with me outside. This time, she has been restricted for one day and still is. Help anyone?

If you were not so far from me I'd come there and take that poor little girl off your hands. First off she isn't peeing or pooping out of guilt or because you did not take her with you. She's doing it out of fear. You can't train a dog with hostility. It has to be done in a positive way. Dogs just want to please, and will gladly do as you want if they understand what it is. For the poo eating, buy two or three packages of FOR-BID. One package will be enough for your little girl twice a day for 5 days and you should give it to her for about 10 to 14 days. It works!!
And you should try this: How to Housetrain Any Older Dog

If your not wanting to put the time and love into this little girl, then it's best you re-home her to someone who gladly will. Don't make her little life miserable any longer.

miabellaamoure 02-17-2011 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jinger (Post 3432579)
I always wonder how a person can be a dog-lover and dog parent and at the same time be a person who gets totally bent out of shape over a little pee or poop (or, for that matter, poop eating--they ARE dogs, afterall:confused:). Especially the teeny bit of pee or poop that happens with a yorkie accident. I just pick it up, or use the carpet cleaner right then...problem solved...without incarceration or violence. I think that an older dog who ends up having an accident inside is most likely VERY embarassed and already feels VERY bad about it. My heart goes out them.
I hope that anyone tempted to hit, or any other harmful thing, will realize their own mistake and rethink their actions--take a deep breath and start again a new way.

I would also like to add that IF these annoying incidents are things that drive one to react in the manner as the OP has...then, maybe one should reconsider this Breed for pet ownership. ;)

Most of all to the OP, please follow the advise provided to you in regards to NOT using violence as a reaction to what may not be in your pets control. There are many things that could be contributing to this new behavior you are observing from your pet.

It could be health related, Bladder Stones or a UTI would be my first suspicion for increased occurences of urninating in your home. Stool consumption at this age would indicate some of your pets needs might not be getting enough attention. Ex: Has your work schedule changed keeping you away from home longer? Are you walking your dog less or at all? Do you take your dog out to go potty right after meals?

In any case, I hope you can read through the reactions in this thread with a humble heart...you did post some disturbing comments about your pet on a site devoted to those who L:love:VE their pets...even when they miss the mark!

RachelandSadie 02-17-2011 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexasKat08 (Post 3432591)
Most parents put their kids in time out when the kids are naughty. My DH and I put ourselves in time out (take a deep breath, count to 10 before we react). More often than not what our kids - and pets - are doing to frustrate us is not their fault and we need to cool off before we correct their behavior.

AMAZING ADVICE! I WILL DEFIN. BE USING THAT IN MY PARENTING FUTURE :D THANKS! :thumbup::thumbup:

RachelandSadie 02-17-2011 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teresamag (Post 3432573)
I think you are using the newspaper wrong. Take the newspaper, roll it up, and when necessary use it to "wack" yourself on top of the head while repeating "I should have watched her closer". :)

I know you love your girl and it's frustrating but it's just not loving to use punishment like this on a little dog, it's like hitting a human toddler because they regressed with their potty training.

You have been given some wonderful advice on here, I would suggest getting a second medical opinion also, very often UTI's or bladder stones can cause these types of accidents. Maybe she has some other undiagnosed problem - especially since she only started eating stool 6 months ago. That suggests to me that something else is going on.

My 15 year old Yorkie can't hold it longer than 6 hours any longer so she stays in a puppy pen with a bed, food, water, and potty pads when we aren't home. When we are home we just take her outside more often.

Good luck,
Teresa

Teehee. I really like this. You said that in a funny and nice way rather than a mean and demeaning way. Use the newspaper as a tool to remind self of taking pup out rather than remind pup that you are a bully parent.

dexterandalana 02-17-2011 02:31 PM

i would definitely check out all medical issues

but another thing to consider is that your pup may be afraid of the pee pad. did you punish (yelled at, smacked, nose rubbed, picked up aggressivly, etc)the pup when she was eatting poo? if so, was it around or on the pee pad???

dog think completely different than us. completley. if she was being punished on or around the pee pad, she DOES NOT have the cognitive understanding to know what she is doing wrong. the pee pad becomes a bad, scary area.

you said she knows she is doing wrong when she goes in other places in the house. dogs do not know this. she looks like she knows she is doing wrong because she is likely confused as to why you are getting angry at her and coward. she tries to go in different areas, but every time she goes anywhere, you punish her.

dogs are not people. they DO NOT have the understanding of what they are doing wrong. i am not a trainer, but i would look into spending time the pee pad to be a happy area again. lots of treats and praise and if she eats poop, she eats poop. in my opinion a poop eatter is the lesser of two evils over a pup that does their business around the house.

Reese1 02-17-2011 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3432598)
Im glad you responded. I really think there is something medically wrong for this dog to just start this especially at its age

I agree. There may very well be something wrong or the fact the dog is getting older. Regardless, I hope the newspaper even was a one time thing and never happens again. I think it's sad and cruel to hit a dog with any object.

Wylie's Mom 02-17-2011 03:06 PM

You mentioned a vet checked her out -- what tests were done?

Others have already posted great advice, so I hope you take it to heart.

Hitting and punishing other creatures only teaches them fear, anxiety, and it inflicts pain.


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