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eddiesmom14 02-02-2011 11:17 PM

Just please be very careful. I heard recently about someone who adopted out a Yorkie and the person didn't tell the truth about their history and in one week that little dog disappeared under suspicious circumstances and no one knows what happened to him. The story broke my heart and made me very angry, too

cslat1 02-03-2011 04:49 AM

I totally agree, at about 18 months things start to change, at least for my pup. She wore me out as a puppy. :) She was into everything and constantly on the go. She still has a lot of energy, which is great, but does not act hyper all of the time. I'm glad she has slowed down some. I'm retired and I needed a break. Lol!

BlondeLocks 02-03-2011 06:36 AM

so this is what i have to look forward too for a while I guess ... (lol) - my little Kody is very playful when he wants to be, but when he gets tired you can tell. He drains himself out by the end of the day and at night - is out like a light

miabellaamoure 02-03-2011 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel (Post 3414042)
Maybe you should just help your family members find homes for their yorkies. There are rescues that could take them in and your pup could stay put in your home. Instead of your pup AND all of theirs having to be disrupted and rehomed, yours could stay in the home it now has, and only theirs would have to be rehomed (because they are being rehomed anyway).

I couldn't agree more...wouldn't assisting your family members in finding a "reputable" Yorkie Rescue Group in their area be a better choice? Breed specific rescue groups can take great pains in finding the family most suitable for these Yorkies.

I'm not sure how old your children are or how much supervision needs to be taken into account with two additional small Yorkies and one with Arthritis but, if it were me...I'd opt for keeping my own Yorkie first.

However...with that said, if your Yorkie is just not working out despite your families love for her than by all means rehome her. She will be happier for it.

Recently, we had another YT member who was needing to rehome her Yorkie due to her & her husband's jobs and thankfully, she was willing to place her Yorkie in the hands of YTNR to find a suitable home for him.

If you would like to discuss how you can do this please do not hesitate to pm me and I can help you!

Jo Ann - YTNR, Foster Mom

eddiesmom14 02-03-2011 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by babbsiam44 (Post 3414063)
She already has Reeses in the classified section up here. I hope she does not go so quick and maybe everything will work out for all the little ones.


And what do you mean in the classified section? Are you trying to sell her instead of looking for the best possible home? If you are do you have any idea what fate may await her?

babbsiam44 02-04-2011 05:57 AM

I didn't go back and look but I think she wants like $650.00. I don't know and I am sure not trying to pass judgement, but I feel this puppy was a little more than they bargained for.

eddiesmom14 02-06-2011 04:47 PM

Well, if you aren't passing judgement that is very big of you. To me if she is trying to get money for the dog she doesn't have the best interest of the dog at heart. I know of labs and people that fight dogs and all kinds of sleazy operators that will pay for a dog.

If I had no choice but to give my dogs up, like for health reasons, I would give them to a Yorkie Rescue. I would never think of running an ad and selling them for money.

My dogs are even taken care of in my will.

jinhopark 02-06-2011 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by eddiesmom14 (Post 3419008)
Well, if you aren't passing judgement that is very big of you. To me if she is trying to get money for the dog she doesn't have the best interest of the dog at heart. I know of labs and people that fight dogs and all kinds of sleazy operators that will pay for a dog.

If I had no choice but to give my dogs up, like for health reasons, I would give them to a Yorkie Rescue. I would never think of running an ad and selling them for money.

My dogs are even taken care of in my will.

I think it's so great that this forum has so many good-souled and kind hearted members with a common goal to help and assist one another. I love the fact that this is a public forum, but with it being public you unfortunately get the good and the bad that comes with it. I don't normally respond to the naive and ignorant, but unfortunately in this day and age if you don't respond to ridiculous comments...then it may appear as though you have something to hide. Why is it that self righteous posters like eddiesmom feel the need to pass judgement of others in a public forum? Is a comment like that truly in the best interest of my situation? Since eddiesmom is in the role of passing judgement, I'd like to know if she can answer this? Are dog owners who do not take care of their dog(s) in their will bad, poor, or unacceptable as dog owners? There must have been a reason why you said that in your post...or was that to "prove" or "show" how much more you love your dogs than the rest of us who do not list our dogs in our will?

Also, her statement that she knows "of labs and people that fight dogs and all kinds of sleazy operators that will pay for a dog"...that comment alone might give others some insight in the type of environment she associates in and why she made the comments she did. While I know situations like that exist in the world, I honestly don't believe those types of people troll here on YT...but again (maybe it's me being naive) I don't know for certain, nor do I pass judgement on her for the types of people she knows of or associates with.

As far as the comments about getting money for a dog and knowing what fate awaits her...does she post this same comment to every breeder that posts a dog/puppy for sale in America? Here is a fact for her to digest, people sell dogs/puppies for money. Unfortunately it sounds like she disagrees with that practice, but even doggy rescues charge adoption/rehoming fees...so should I question the doggy rescue for not having the best interest of the dog because they are not giving the dog away for free?

Also does anyone know for certain the fate of any dog that has transfered owners? Unless she personally whelped the dog(s) she currently owns, did the former owners know the fate of their dogs/puppies prior to granting her ownership? I'm sure the prior owners were hoping/praying she was not one of those terrible owners that she describes above. Although she may believe she is the only person worthy of dog ownership, believe it or not there are other people out there that are good dog owners and are willing to pay a rehoming fee for a beautiful and healthly puppy. Reeses was not free to me, nor were any of her vet bills or supplies...I hope she was not insinuating that I am trying to profit from the sale of her? Believe it or not my costs far exceed what I am asking. I'm not a breeder, but I'm not even sure (speaking only of the responsible/non-puppy mill breeders) they actually even make a profit...many are break even propositions that truly care about maintaining the integrity of the breed...I for one do not judge responsible dog breeders who sell their dogs for money, actually I applaud their painstaking efforts.

I wish the world was as perfect as the standards she holds others to, unfortunately they are not...so I would like to politely ask her to please refrain from publicly passing judgement on others until she knows the whole story...and if the whole story is never presented I ask that she please NOT assume the worst in others. As cruel as this world is, I have faith in God and in humanity that there are good people in this world and that everything happens for a reason. There was a good reason why Reeses entered our lives, and should she be rehomed to another family she will bring joy to them as well...Again, we will hold dear every joyous minute she is with us. I would like to thank all those who have responded, who in the deepest of their hearts are wishing to see the best interest of Reeses. MANY THANKS!

eddiesmom14 02-07-2011 02:31 PM

No jinhopark,

My comment about my will was only to show that I think about my dogs well being even in the event of my death. It was not about you or anyone else.

I do think there are a lot of concerned people on this forum that would be willing to help you with anything from finding a Rescue Group to place Reeses with, to helping you with money to buy food, etc. if that is what you needed. Unfortunately, that didn't seem to interest you and you immediately put her up for sale in the paper for $650.00 or so we were told. To me that just comes across as rather mercenary when only a few posts before that you were talking about how cute she was and how much she meant to you. I could not do that to either of my dogs which I've only had since the first week of November 2010. I could not have done it to them 3 days after I got them.

As for me knowing the kind of sleazy people that fight dogs and use them for lab testing, no I don't know those kinds of people or associate with them. I did have a dog disappear in 1980 and in my search for her I found out all the terrible things that can happen to small dogs and ran into people I would rather forget I ever met. It turned out she got hit by a car, my ex-husband found her and buried her and thought it would be less cruel not to tell me. We have been divorced for over 30 years and of all the mean things he did that is the only thing I can't forgive him for. I ran ads in the local paper offering a reward and spent hours riding around on my bike calling her name knowing she would bark if she heard me and every cold or rainy night I wondered if she was warm and safe. That went on for 3 years until a friend finally told me what happened.

I don't disagree with breeders or rescue organizations charging for their dogs. They do have huge expenses and most breeders never recoup them. Rescues are trying to recoup their expenses so they can rescue more homeless dogs. Both of these, if reputable are very, very careful about who they let have their dogs. Adoption agencies charge a fee to adopt children but it's to cover legal expenses and help them continue their work of finding good parents for children that need adoption. I don't know if you will be careful or not. I hope you will. The quickness of your decision to sell Reeses and not try any of the people's suggestions on this forum is what caused me to have my doubts. Also, you are not a breeder or a rescue, and no, I do not expect you to make a profit off of a dog you bought to be a life companion any more than I would expect you to sell one of your children.

I don't believe in the innate goodness of a lot of people anymore. I do believe if we love our pets we do the very best we can to keep them safe, which doesn't always work, and treat them with love and honor while they are in our care. I have done without to feed my animals and would again. I believe once you take on the responsibility of an animal it is life long.

I would like to say I'm sorry you took offense at what I said but I cannot because it's obvious we have different views. No matter how I had to rearrange my home and my life I would not get rid of Reeses if she was mine. It's obvious you don't feel that strongly about her and feel that the money you are asking for her is needed more.

I do wish the very, very best for you and Reeses, both. You will both be in my thoughts and prayers.

dinkyweil 02-07-2011 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jinhopark (Post 3419202)
I think it's so great that this forum has so many good-souled and kind hearted members with a common goal to help and assist one another. I love the fact that this is a public forum, but with it being public you unfortunately get the good and the bad that comes with it. I don't normally respond to the naive and ignorant, but unfortunately in this day and age if you don't respond to ridiculous comments...then it may appear as though you have something to hide. Why is it that self righteous posters like eddiesmom feel the need to pass judgement of others in a public forum? Is a comment like that truly in the best interest of my situation? Since eddiesmom is in the role of passing judgement, I'd like to know if she can answer this? Are dog owners who do not take care of their dog(s) in their will bad, poor, or unacceptable as dog owners? There must have been a reason why you said that in your post...or was that to "prove" or "show" how much more you love your dogs than the rest of us who do not list our dogs in our will?

Also, her statement that she knows "of labs and people that fight dogs and all kinds of sleazy operators that will pay for a dog"...that comment alone might give others some insight in the type of environment she associates in and why she made the comments she did. While I know situations like that exist in the world, I honestly don't believe those types of people troll here on YT...but again (maybe it's me being naive) I don't know for certain, nor do I pass judgement on her for the types of people she knows of or associates with.

As far as the comments about getting money for a dog and knowing what fate awaits her...does she post this same comment to every breeder that posts a dog/puppy for sale in America? Here is a fact for her to digest, people sell dogs/puppies for money. Unfortunately it sounds like she disagrees with that practice, but even doggy rescues charge adoption/rehoming fees...so should I question the doggy rescue for not having the best interest of the dog because they are not giving the dog away for free?

Also does anyone know for certain the fate of any dog that has transfered owners? Unless she personally whelped the dog(s) she currently owns, did the former owners know the fate of their dogs/puppies prior to granting her ownership? I'm sure the prior owners were hoping/praying she was not one of those terrible owners that she describes above. Although she may believe she is the only person worthy of dog ownership, believe it or not there are other people out there that are good dog owners and are willing to pay a rehoming fee for a beautiful and healthly puppy. Reeses was not free to me, nor were any of her vet bills or supplies...I hope she was not insinuating that I am trying to profit from the sale of her? Believe it or not my costs far exceed what I am asking. I'm not a breeder, but I'm not even sure (speaking only of the responsible/non-puppy mill breeders) they actually even make a profit...many are break even propositions that truly care about maintaining the integrity of the breed...I for one do not judge responsible dog breeders who sell their dogs for money, actually I applaud their painstaking efforts.

I wish the world was as perfect as the standards she holds others to, unfortunately they are not...so I would like to politely ask her to please refrain from publicly passing judgement on others until she knows the whole story...and if the whole story is never presented I ask that she please NOT assume the worst in others. As cruel as this world is, I have faith in God and in humanity that there are good people in this world and that everything happens for a reason. There was a good reason why Reeses entered our lives, and should she be rehomed to another family she will bring joy to them as well...Again, we will hold dear every joyous minute she is with us. I would like to thank all those who have responded, who in the deepest of their hearts are wishing to see the best interest of Reeses. MANY THANKS!

Good for you. There is way too much judgement on this forum. I'm sure eddiesmom and so many others just mean to protect Yorkies. And I know there are many true stories of awful people doing awful things to dogs.
But the forum is way too full of suspicion for me. I'm off for a while.Good luck rehoming Reeses. I'm sure you will do a great job. You came to YT to ask for help and you did get it. Sorry you got judged and frankly, insulted.

BiewerMommy 02-07-2011 07:03 PM

I am still praying for your family. I wish people lived by the golden rule and didn't judge others. You are doing what is best for your family, fur and skin. I respect that you honor your word to your family made long ago. Too often people say things and then go back on their word. You seem to have a genuine affection to Reeses and I am sure you and your family has agonized over this decision. Know that there are others who support you and are praying for the perfect solution to occur so that you and your family can deal with this transition without the heartache. I know that it is because of level headed people like you that I have enjoyed this forum so much.

For curiosity sake is your name Chinese? I am half Chinese so I thought I would ask. Feel free to disregard if you are opposed to the personal nature of the question.

miabellaamoure 02-07-2011 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jinhopark (Post 3420310)
dinkyweil:

At first I wasn't even sure I was going to take the time to respond to eddiesmom. {removed by Wylie's Mom}

That comment alone just sank to the lowest depths...:(

Feel better?:rolleyes:

eddiesmom14 02-07-2011 09:56 PM

Thank you, miabellaamoure, but I don't worry about people who are not capable of anything but ad hominem attacks. I must have struck a nerve and I'm not that sensitive.

Wylie's Mom 02-08-2011 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jinhopark (Post 3414146)
I've been losing sleep thinking of different senarios of how to keep her, but I haven't thought of any good one's that would be in her best interest.

We thought about rescues, but this family member would not have that and some verbal promises were made by us before Reeses ever entered our lives and we would need to honor that.

I feel compelled to ask some things bc of what you wrote above.

I understand that you made a commitment to family members' pets, and need to honor that.

But what about the commitment you made to Reeses when you took her into your family? With all due respect and kindness, I really am confused about why Reeses isn't getting the same kind of honorable commitment. It just feels like what you're saying isn't matching your actions, and it's hard to see this when an innocent creature is involved.

There are tons of people here, me included, who have commitments to people's pets if something should happen to them...and ostensibly I suppose I could end up with 10 dogs, if worse came to worse. It's the chance you take when making those kinds of commitments.

Maybe it is best for Reeses to find a home where she fits in, however, I can't pretend that I don't feel really bad for what she's going to go through :(. I hope she truly does find a forever home and doesn't get tossed around to different homes in the future.

{btw, whatever behavioral issues she has now (the ones you described earlier), will likely increase when she goes to a new home - due to anxiety, grief, confusion, etc....so, her vulnerability of being re-homed again will be increased}

TexasKat08 02-08-2011 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by miabellaamoure (Post 3415841)
I'm not sure how old your children are or how much supervision needs to be taken into account with two additional small Yorkies and one with Arthritis but, if it were me...I'd opt for keeping my own Yorkie first.

pm me and I can help you!

Jo Ann - YTNR, Foster Mom


I'm confused. In multiple posts you went on and on about how great she is - sweet, funny, loving, playful - and how much your family loves her and without missing a beat you are now selling her? It seemed that although she is maybe too playful for your smaller yorkie you found her personality amusing. It doesn't appear to me that you gave any of the suggestions a try. You are just giving up on her. Re-homing her because you took in smaller or ill dogs? Sorry, but this doesn't pass the "smell test." We are missing some vital information in your decision making process. At any rate, I hope you take Jo Ann's recommendation and PM her to find the best solution for this little darlin'.

eddiesmom14 02-08-2011 03:33 PM

To TexasKat08 and Wylie's Mom,

The OP may not even come back now. He has been questioned too much. I have no proof of course and you can call this female intuition if you want, but I went back and read all the posts on this thread. Now it seems like maybe this was an advertisement for Reeses. If so I hope a good soul on this Forum buys her and gives her the home she deserves. If I lived in that area that's what I would do.

One of the dogs(Trouble) we adopted in November is hyperactive. We call him our ADHD Dog. He is also very aggressive towards men and we are having a hard time with him adjusting to my husband. He has bitten my husband several times for no reason other than him kissing me goodbye in the morning or rubbing my shoulders. We could try to rehome him but we are working with him with lots of love and patience, a clicker and treats, and he is getting better all the time. We know he came from a home where the husband was abusive and we will give him all the time he needs to feel safe and loved. I pray Reeses finds such a home.

Ringo1 02-08-2011 05:02 PM

No matter what I have promised to anyone; my dogs are going to come first. I can't imagine having to re-home my Lucy because I had agreed to take someone else's dog in. I want to help everyone with their dogs but not at the expense of my own.

Can't imagine and doesn't seem fair to Lucy, who was certainly here first. My first committment is to her and not to a new dog just entering my home. If I could not keep her (for whatever reason), I could return her to her breeder per our contract. This is probably what I would be most comfortable doing unless I had a specific friend or family member in mind.

I hope you find a very wonderful home for Reese, where she is loved and belongs. Please be very careful and choose wisely. It would be hearbreaking for her to have to be rehomed a third time.

jinhopark 02-08-2011 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ringo1 (Post 3421597)
No matter what I have promised to anyone; my dogs are going to come first. I can't imagine having to re-home my Lucy because I had agreed to take someone else's dog in. I want to help everyone with their dogs but not at the expense of my own.

Can't imagine and doesn't seem fair to Lucy, who was certainly here first. My first committment is to her and not to a new dog just entering my home. If I could not keep her (for whatever reason), I could return her to her breeder per our contract. This is probably what I would be most comfortable doing unless I had a specific friend or family member in mind.

I hope you find a very wonderful home for Reese, where she is loved and belongs. Please be very careful and choose wisely. It would be hearbreaking for her to have to be rehomed a third time.

Despite what eddiesmom may think, this was not a commercial or a ploy to help sell Reeses...not even sure how her mind or female intuition works. I've seen other threads on YT just get out of hand and I normally steer clear of all of those types of angry mob with pitchforks and torches going on a witch hunt-type threads. I never thought in a million years I would be the OP of a thread that has sparked any type of controversy, but I guess that is the risk in posting on any type of public forum.

In any event here is my much personal situation.

Prior to us owning dogs we were the family that watched/took care of other dogs/animals while they were on vacation or out of town for various reasons. This went on for quite some time and we became very attached to the family members dogs...loved them and grew very attached to them. We always thought of ourselves as medium to large breed owners, but realized the love we had for the toy yorkie breed...so much so that when we finally decided to buy a dog that we would get our own yorkie. Anyways, we had always mentioned to the family member, 1/2 joking because we knew she would never give up her dogs, that if something should happen to her that we would take them in. She asked us if we were serious, and we thought about it and soon realized that we were...

We heard through friends that someone was selling an adult yorkie and we purchased Rocci a while back. He turned out to be a really wonderful dog for us...he loved the companionship of the other family members yorkies so much, that we decided that we wanted to add to the family...so in comes Reeses into our lives. She is all those things I mentioned...sweet, fun, loving, playful and everything that a pure hearted puppy is.

As she grew larger/stronger than Rocci we started wondering when this puppy stage would end...Rocci never growls or complains, and he will just go into his crate. We were not sure if that was normal or not, and thus the creation of this post. For me and my children, the wild puppy behavior does not bother us one bit...as noted we are entertained by her antics daily. Who doesn't love getting licked by a puppy every morning? Or being greeted by such happiness the minute you open the door... It honestly wasn't until something tragic to the family member happened and we were asked to take in her dogs. I mean it was the obvious choice right? We watched the dogs every time she was out of town or in the hospital. To rehome the dogs that we have known so long and love, would be tough on us and the family member. Actually the family member would still like to see the dogs whenever she can (having no kids of her own, these are her only children), but she is just not able to properly care for them.

In any event the dogs are under our care now, but we hadn't watched them since we had Reeses (actually Reeses did meet them once when she was 13 weeks old). When the dogs were brought to our house a situation soon became apparent...older yorkies at 3lbs or less probably will not stand up well to a puppy twice their size. Things were going well the first day, and then during a puppy wrestle with Reeses and the "new" dogs Reeses had a good hold on the top knot bow and pulled it out. The unfortunate part is the bow we had was pretty robust and had a product on there called a Gripzie which works as advertised and is made to put on bows to make them non-slip...it worked so well that when the bow was playfully yanked out it took a clump of hair with it, we heard a yelp and saw a small bald spot on top of the dog. Rocci has grown up with the "new" dogs, so he is very comfortable with them...so we seperated Reeses to a different part of the house.

The kids play with Reeses all day (Rocci and the other dogs are not much of the playful type) and we all love her...but as the adults we thought how sad it must be for Reeses, certainly she could have a better life? As sad as it would be for us, we thought it might be better for her to live with another family? Don't know if that's the right decision or not...so admittedly, somewhat in haste I put an ad up. We would only sell her to somebody we felt could offer her more and love her more than we do. I've never sold an animal in my life and I'm still, to this day, not sure we can go through with it.

Anyways, I hope this addresses most of everyone's concern, but if it doesn't and things "don't add up" or something "doesn't smell right"...then I don't know what to say. I'm sure Reeses appreciates everyone's concern for her, as do I. Thanks to all those that are genuinely praying for the best outcome...I have faith and it will come.

zowiandnikasmom 02-09-2011 05:41 AM

hello. i am in joliet, illinois and my father who is 63 years old, retired and on disability is looking for another yorkie to let in to his home and be his companion. he is home all day, has a large fenced in yard, and has over 40 years of experience with yorkies. (my grandma raised yorkies) he has a 6 year old neutered male yorkie named jake who is very playful and would probably love having reeses around! it breaks my heart hearing that someone would have to rehome thier yorkie, but if you are set on doing so, please let me know by posting back, i will be checking for a response. we are in the same area....

zowiandnikasmom 02-09-2011 06:04 AM

also would like to add that my dad is very capable of taking care of his little guy jake. he is a bigger yorkie boy (12 pounds) and is very sweet and affectionate and great with other dogs. my little puppy pixie is 8 months old, super hyper and he is very tolerant of her. pixie sounds a lot like reeses, the most hyper yorkie puppy i've ever had! i bring them over to his house every week and they love to play very much! jake was also great with dude (who was my dads 15 year old yorkie who passed away last spring) and he has a lot of spunk in him and is big enough to tolerate a larger hyper puppy. i'm sure they would love running together in the yard and with my 2 girls!

Ringo1 02-09-2011 06:37 AM

Oh, I'm hoping for a happy ending here!

jinhopark 02-09-2011 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ringo1 (Post 3422175)
Oh, I'm hoping for a happy ending here!



Ringo1:

I do too...I don't want to get my hopes up and say our prayers are answered just yet. I have filtered out a few other prospective/interested buyers, 1 was in Florida (sorry but we will not ship via American Airlines Cargo, plus I need to meet the owners face to face and see the environment she would be in), another never had any experience with dogs and I think a toy breed adds extra challenges (I would prefer those that have dogs currently or has lot's of experience with dogs) and the third one seemed a little sketchy and was not very detailed nor responsive to any of my questions.

zowiandnikasmom:

That is so great that you are a YT member and you live so close! We're practically neighbors!!! Please PM me your email address and let's have some discussions when it's convenient for both of us.

TexasKat08 02-09-2011 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinhopark (Post 3421823)
As sad as it would be for us, we thought it might be better for her to live with another family? Don't know if that's the right decision or not...so admittedly, somewhat in haste I put an ad up.

Given the whole story your choice seems reasonable. I for one am sorry if I jumped to the wrong conclusion, but it sounds like you can understand why conclusions were drawn regarding your intentions, admittedly placing and ad up "in haste." One minute you are crazy about her, but looking for info about her behavior and the next you are selling her. I think this quick turn around without the background info came across differently than you expected. At any rate, I hope you and the other YT member (Nika's mom?) can establish a relationship wherein you feel comfortable re-homing this baby. Fingers crossed all works out well!


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