AKC Question....
 

Okay, I have a question about AKC registrations. If your dog isn't AKC registered, but you are planning to bred her to a male who is AKC registered can you register the pups with AKC? My puppy is registered, but not through AKC. And another question, if my dog isn't AKC registered is she considered a "trash" dog? She has champions in her bloodline, so I don't consider her to have a bad bloodline, it's just that she's not AKC registered and when I tried to get her AKC registered they said that I couldn't get her registered. I was just wondering, because I plan to breed her, but if no one is going to buy her puppies because they are not AKC registered I'm not even going to bother waisting my time breeding her. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Akc
 

NO, the pups can not be registered., AKC will never allow it.
NO, dog is considered a "trash" dog, not even mixed mutts at the pound. Some registeries are better then others, but the dogs themselves are all the same..DOGS.

:eek: "trash" dog" AS IF!!!!!
No way!!!!
I have NEVER heard of TRASH DOGS!!!

The AKC is not going to let you register puppies
if both parents are not AKC. That's just the way it goes.

She has a pedigree. She's just obviously not AKC registered and what I want to know is will people still buy the puppies without the AKC registry. She's registered through the American Pet Registry. So, like I said she has a pedigree and all, but without the AKC registry I'm just wondering if people will still buy the puppies, because I am going to get them registered through the American Pet Registry and they will come with their pedigrees. I just hear a lot of people saying that they only want to buy a puppy that is AKC registered. What is the difference? I just don't get it. Sorry about my venting, but I just was wondering some things about the AKC registry and what not.

No Dogs are trash dogs. If the one parent is AKC and the Other CKC then the pups can be CKC.

Don't get me wrong, I don't consider Kayla a "trash" dog. I have dogs that aren't registered at all. Like, I have a Dachshound that's not purebred and a collie that is not purebred. They don't have pedigrees either, but I love them none-the-less. I'm just wondering if the rest of the world will consider her puppies mediocre just because they are not AKC registered. I just now looked over her pedigree and she has three champions in her bloodline. So, I know she's not a "trash" dog. That and I bought her not because of where she was registered, but because she was the puppy I wanted. I saw her at the pet store and just had to have her and I don't regret getting her. Personally I don't care where the dog is registered as long as it is registered and they can prove to me that the dog is purebred and not a mix breed. Not that there's anything wrong with mixed breed dogs. Just I really want to breed her and sell the puppies, I'm just wondering how much people will rely on whether or not the puppies are AKC.

Did they tell you why she couldn't be registered with the AKC?

What's CKC? Never heard of that registry, but then again I'm new to the whole breeding thing. I know for sure that I can get her puppies registered through where Kayla is registered as long as the male is registered through any well known registry like AKC. So, I'm not worried about whether or not I can get the puppies registered, as I know I can. Have you heard of American Pet Registry? It's what Kayla is registered through. So, I guess that makes her APR registered. :p

When they emailed me back they said if the dam and sire are not both registered through AKC then she couldn't be registered either. Both her parents are registered through American Pet Registry and that's also where she's registered. They all have pedigrees, which I think is the most important part, but then again what do I know. :p

No dog is consider any less just cause is not AKC register. My Gucci is not AKC register, she is register with the CBKC (Brazil). I think people still will buy even if the pup is not AKC, they might not want to pay as much thou.JMO. I really dont know much about the differents registries. I really didnt care if she was AKC as long she was healthy and what I was looking for on a pet.
I think if you want to breed instead of just thinking on the registry you should be more concern is if she is healthy(check her dna and ancestor for congenital defects, etc) and the proper example of the standard. Good luck on your decision.

Thanks for the info. I'm still deciding whether to breed her or not. As for selling the puppies I wasn't going to be asking like top dollar for them. Right now I'm thinking in the range of $600, but that's still not for sure. And yes, I'm going to get Kayla checked out with a vet before I even breed her, because I want to make sure she's in perfect health and will be able to care for the puppies and be able to make it through the whole pregnancy without any harm to her or the puppies. I don't want to lose her and I definitely don't want to have puppies that aren't healthy that I'll have to put down, because that would just be too heartbreaking for me. That and I have a lot of questions I want to ask the vet before breeding her, so I know when to bring the puppies in for their shots and what all they will need. So, yeah, I'm not just going to go and breed her and hope for the best. I'm going to do a lot of research before jumping into anything. :)

I think people just trust AKC more. They have stricter standards and more options as far as showing and such. I know you only said "trash dog" in anger and just don't want anyone thinking that is what the pups will be because both parents aren't AKC. If she is healthy and you do decide to breed, there is never a guarantee. You can find so much info online and even on this site of tragic endings and wonderful beginnings. One lady on here just now found out that the pups were reabsorbed by the mother before the delivery date. I have never heard of this before. Breeding is a never ending education. If you do decide to breed and have healthy pups, you should have absolutely no problem selling them for $600. It will cost you quite a bit by the time they are ready to go. If you want to PM me with any questions that you may be hesitant about posting, feel free. I am no expert, but I will help where I can. Always remember, breeding does put your female at risk. You will find as you research whelping that many many things can go wrong and you can lose the litter and the mother. You will need to learn what are warning signs and what to do in many different instances.

You should be able to sell the pups but probably not as much as if they were AKC. People know more about AKC and tust them (somewhat) because of the stricter guidelines. Would love to see pictures of your furbaby!

breeding
 

Can I ask why you're wanting to breed? I'm not sure if you know this, so I'm not trying to offend you. I just wanted to let you know that alot of dogs sold at the petstore tend to be the "pet quality" or in other words don't go towards the standard, that is how they end up there. Just last week I saw one in a pet shop window that had legs so long it reminded me of a black lab. Maybe you could find a mentor so you could find out if she would be good for breeding?
I would just advise you to weigh all of the risks and look up lots of information on breeding. Try to see the whole picture. Breeding is a full time job. A 24 hour job that if done right people rarely make money on. I think they say that a dog has to have 12 puppies in order to just break even. Well, we all know that yorkies have small litters. Just make sure you have the money to put into it like for an emergency c-section, special food, other supplies for welping such as an x-pen, blankets, puppy pads, toys, nutri-cal, shots, vet checks worming, etc. And if you work, be prepared to take a couple days off and lose some sleep. Oh, and look up the puppy lemon laws and such in your state.
I agree that people would not pay as much for a puppy that is not AKC registered. What ever you choose to do, it is your choice. Good luck! *Cher hugs her trashy pug*

Continental Kennel Club is CKC. AKC is more particular about things than CKC and people are more familiar with them. For instance AKC will come to your home to inspect and check records and conditions. I dont' think CKC does anything like that. Were it me I would hold out for an AKC dog. So it's not that you won't necessarily be able to sell the pups, but people who are familiar may hold out for AKC reg. As for breeding....I think you have gotten good advice in the posts so far. I would just make really really sure that it's something you are willing to commit to. For instance if the pups don't sell would you be able to provide a home for them too? Once you have them they are your responsibility forever. My mom bred AKC miniature schnauzers for about 25-30 years. Even with that much experience there are always new things to learn and tons to do. Ane the vet bills are ungodly IF everything goes by the book. She was home all the time and worked every minute of it. It can be really rewarding, but it's also pretty heartbreaking. My sisters and I used to bawl everytime she sold a puppy. If it was one we really liked we would try to get the people to leave before they bought it by being really annoying. ;) And heaven forbid you lose a puppy. Some of them don't make it and that is just dreadful. It's wonderful when that pup you have been bottle feeding every couple of hours makes it....but when they don't...well, you get the drift. Good luck with whatever you decide!

breeding
 

Some people say CKC will register any dog and they accept breeds such as "yorkiepoos" etc, unlike AKC.
Since you are unsure about breeding let me post sometimething I had replied to someone else on a different website. The part I think you should read the most is in bold. That is what changed my mind about breeding. I just look into Brandy's eyes and I would feel sooo guilty if anything ever happened. I know you love your yorkiebaby too as so many others on this site do. I know it might sound silly, but sometimes I look at her and I wonder what I would do if she were gone. Good luck to you and your little girl.

original post:
I am not selling my dog.

Does anyone have any advice on breeding a dog? I have a toy pomeranian female and I am thinking of breeding her. My other dog (the male) is a chihuahua and
he's fixed.

I don't even know where to start or what kind of things to look out for. Does anyone have any advice or recommendations. I am only looking for advice at this point.
--- my post__

I guess my response to you is another question. Why do you want to breed her? If money is the number one reason, then it's not a very good one. There is alot of money involved in breeding dogs to do it right and you have to know alot about them. First of all, there is no dispute that dogs live longer, happier lives if they are sprayed.
One of the first costs is to get your dog tested for congenital defects. In California, if it is found that you breed anyways and sold a puppy with one such as a hernia, the buyer can sue you for a full refund or keep for 75% refund and getting reimburst for vet bills not exceeding 150% the value of the dog. Breeding dogs is not a huge profit. To break even you would have to have at least 12 puppies and I have news for you, small dogs have small litters. Are you prepared to put your dog's life at risk for your own financial gain? How guilty would you feel rushing her to the emergency room vet at night for a c-section and lose her, all of her pups and still have to pay hundreds in vet bills?
true costs of welping:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/F...244/costs.html
puppy lemon law
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/F...244/costs.html more about breeding: http://www.midwestigrescue.com/breed.html

To me, the registry is not an issue. My concern is the uncertainty of her health history among other ancestry issues. Even though she has ch. in her background, I would ask questions about why a breeder of champions would sell to a supplier of pet store puppies? I would say to have your female checked for all health problems, consider the possibilities of problems with her and the fact that she can be endangered, financial concerns if all is lost and several other things. If you have done all of the research and still want to breed, then you can say that you know what you are doing..

Just wondering YORKYFROMOHIO where in Ohio are you from?I just know there are people out there that only want pets not to breed.They will understandably go for cheaper.I have a male that i never received the papers for and he was a steal at $500.00.I am also looking for a baby/breeding Neo for a pup.So i can have a playmate for Neo.If i dont find someone to breed with i am going to buy one in feb.or march.




Heather

Oh ya i forgot to add i am from Liberty Center Ohio.


Heather

If the mom is APR registered, the pups can be registered APR. The pups will sell, not everyone has to have an AKC puppy. Good luck. :)

akc
 

akc reg. assures that two purebred yorkies were bred. I would want that
but saying that it doesn't mean anything about the quality of the litter, it's
just your chances are better.akc also is very careful in protecting the breeds.

Well, technically, AKA reg can't "assure" anything. It means that the breeder claims two purbred yorkies were bred...doesn't mean the daddy is who the breeder claims the daddy to be. And please, no lectures about 'they'll pull your breeder rights' or 'they can show up at your house at any time.' Believe me, I am well aware of that. I know they have stricter guidelines, but that doesn't mean it isn't possible for dishonest breeders to slip through and pull one over on them. Yes, the AKC is more strict about protecting the purity of the breed, but the AKC isn't the one doing the actual breeding now, are they? Point in case, regardless of what kennel club they're registered with, you can never be 100% sure that you are getting what the breeder claims the dog to be.

I wrote to the AKC and asked them this same question. Here is the reply they sent me:

Unfortunately, you will be unable to register your dog with the American
Kennel Club.

Your dog would have to come from two AKC registered parents and come from an
AKC registered litter in order to be registered with the American Kennel Club.

Thank you and have a nice day.

If a reply is necessary, please include all previous correspondence.

Shelia Badger
919-233-9767

I just bought a puppy and had the same problem. After I called the CKC, they told me that the puppy could be CKC registered, because BOTH parents were CKC registered. The CKC is an "open" registry and accepts most other registries, but that seeing as how the AKC was a "closed registry", they did not. The AKC is an older, more established registry. More people have heard of the AKC. This is why the AKC is the more acceptable registry. Yes, peolpe will pay more money for a pup that is AKC registered And when you are trying to sell a pup, it's always the first thing they ask you. If you are trying to breed for quality, or for showing, it is the more "desireable" registry. But, don't ever let people call your little guys "trash". Even joking!! Some of the people want a "purebred" just to be able to say they have one.
Suz

Cher1000: WHAT??? :eek:
Does anyone have any advice on breeding a dog? I have a toy pomeranian female and I am thinking of breeding her. My other dog (the male) is a chihuahua and
he's fixed.

I don't even know where to start or what kind of things to look out for. Does anyone have any advice or recommendations. I am only looking for advice at this point.

The first part of your post, it said that "I am not selling my puppy!" THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!! If, in fact, this person is trying to breed a female pomerian to a male chihuahua that is fixed, I think she/he has a much more difficult problem!!
Suz

You said AKA but did you mean AKC. They catch up on the people who fudge their
paperwork and then they go on thee LIST

LOL. I was hoping she didn't mean that she wanted to breed them together. The person never responded back to me. I don't know how they would do that!

Yeah, I meant AKC, sorry...my fingers get tied sometimes. :rolleyes: I am sure that they do catch things down the road, please don't think I am trying to discredit you because I agree, but I have to ask, how do they catch up on it? When someone reports it to them if they suspect? I know from owning AKC dogs in the past that they do not send the AKC police to your house to see what the pup ended up looking like. So how do they catch you? Only if it's reported, right? OK, well what about those who don't report it? Those cases are never addressed, right? OK, well who's to say those undiscovered pups that slipped through the system won't go on to be parents of AKC dogs?
I am just trying to make a point that it is possible to have registered, not-really-purebred-dogs even with the AKC. Here and elsewhere, I read too much "Only buy an AKC dog because then you KNOW it's purebred" because fact of the matter is, no, you don't know that.

No, don't worry abit about discrediting me. I think we should question and your
comments are correct. I also feel when they are dealing with so many breeders
it's hard to keep all records perfect and thats where we do agree but if I were
a betting person I would go with the akc for trying....but I may be wrong. I think
that might be a good question to ask the akc "How do we catch these people"
There is a published list of people who have done this. I know people who don't
give you papers or try to talk you out of papers are in some cases trying to keep
the akc from knowing how many litters they are having a year. I totally agree
there is alot of dishonesty in the dog world and that is why we all have to be
careful.

crystalsmom...
Glad you understand where I am coming from. I have contacted the CKC via email to have them clariy some of the allegations I have heard in the past against them. I plan to do the same with the AKC. Just to give them both the opportunity to respond with their 'official' stand on things and procedures...I think it will be nothing but beneficial for us to all know what their official way of dealing with things are...couldn't hurt, right?

right and to add to that. The AKC Gazette Magazine is one you can find in your
library and it comes out monthly. In the back they have a list of people with the
area they breed ( city and state) and what they have done wrong, fines etc. It is
very interesting reading. I called AKC about something this morning that had to
do with puppy mills and I will be anxious to hear what they say about this. Good
for you.