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Rhetts_mama 10-28-2010 04:41 PM
What makes a breeder good vs bad? Hobby vs BYB?
 
To me it seems pretty obvious:

A good breeder:
Breeds for the betterment of the breed.
Shows to get approval of breeding stock.
Does health testing of all dams/sires prior to breeding.
Provides a comprehensive health guarantee.
Is very selective about who their pups go to.
Has an open door policy to prevent their pups from ending up in shelters.
Sells only on spay/neuter contracts.
Spends years studying genetics of their breed.
Understands that they are responsible for creating this new life- and therefore, they are responsible for the quality of that life.


A bad breeder:
Breeds for profit.
Breeds the "flavor of the month" cross breeds.
Doesn't perform health testing.
Has minimal or non-existent health guarantees.

A hobby breeder:
Doesn't show, but breeds only to standards.

A BYB:
Makes excuses for why they don't do all those other things.

motoguy205 10-28-2010 04:56 PM
I could not agree more... and thank you for the post earlier. You are SO right on the numbers... If you do a search in ASPCA for puppy mills, the qualification is when someone takes the money over the well being of the dog... SO TRUE!! I really do wish that people knew how bad puppy mills are... we show and spend hundreds of dollars on our dogs... thats the way it should be! They live better than we do, but they are our kids... thank you for posting your thread!

motoguy205 10-28-2010 05:01 PM
I could not agree more... and thank you for the post earlier. You are SO right on the numbers... If you do a search in ASPCA for puppy mills, the qualification is when someone takes the money over the well being of the dog... SO TRUE!! I really do wish that people knew how bad puppy mills are... we show and spend hundreds of dollars on our dogs... thats the way it should be! We have turned away 10 times more potiential buyers than actually placing a dog. Funny how you can get more information on someone when needing to know what kind of home they have than it does to shut down a mill. Our dogs live better than we do, but they are our kids... thank you for posting your thread!

Poshible 10-28-2010 07:58 PM
:thumbup:I like the BYB part best-should add--fit's in BAD BREEDERS column.

DvlshAngel985 10-28-2010 08:13 PM
Good post.

Ladymom 10-28-2010 08:26 PM
The term "hobby breeder" has always confused me.

How can a breeder who doesn't show breed to the standard when her breeding stock has never been judged?

If a "hobby" breeder isn't investing money in showing, isn't the money she makes on each litter a profit?

JeanieK 10-28-2010 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 3313330)
The term "hobby breeder" has always confused me.

How can a breeder who doesn't show breed to the standard when her breeding stock has never been judged?

If a "hobby" breeder isn't investing money in showing, isn't the money she makes on each litter a profit?
There may be some profit one year, but a loss the next.

Show breeders don't make enough money from dogs to cover the expense of showing.

Any money I have made has gone back into the dogs. That is what a hobbyist does. They use the money they make to put back into their hobby.

CouversMom 10-28-2010 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3313166)

A BYB:
Makes excuses for why they don't do all those other things.
:thumbup::thumbup: I couldn't have said it any better!

BellarataMalt 10-28-2010 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 3313330)
The term "hobby breeder" has always confused me.

How can a breeder who doesn't show breed to the standard when her breeding stock has never been judged?

If a "hobby" breeder isn't investing money in showing, isn't the money she makes on each litter a profit?
Marj, I agree with this. A hobby breeder who doesn't show is still, by definition, a backyard breeder. I consider myself a hobby show breeder because this is my hobby and I'm sure not making any profit on it.

DvlshAngel985 10-29-2010 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by BellarataMalt (Post 3313353)
Marj, I agree with this. A hobby breeder who doesn't show is still, by definition, a backyard breeder. I consider myself a hobby show breeder because this is my hobby and I'm sure not making any profit on it.
I love the pic of your baby in your avatar! Are those flower clips?

motoguy205 10-29-2010 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 3313330)
The term "hobby breeder" has always confused me.

How can a breeder who doesn't show breed to the standard when her breeding stock has never been judged?

If a "hobby" breeder isn't investing money in showing, isn't the money she makes on each litter a profit?
as far as breed stock... YOU are exaclty right... who sets the standard in that case????

hobby breeders will make money only if they cut corners... anyone that has considers themself a breeder (a good one) will tell you there is no money to be made at breeding... with the cost of food, shots, meds, vet certs, OFA's, and everything else you need to do it right... the money is long gone before you ever have a puppy... this does not include the shows and travel that is involved to do all of this... we breed dogs... VERY SELECTIVELY... and I can reassure you this cost us 4x more than you make by selling a litter of puppies... if your breeding to try to make money than you are breeding for the wrong reason... in my oppinion...

deonk1 10-29-2010 08:05 AM
I would like to add that if they do sell breeding contracts, the first dog to this person is a co-op buy. My breeder has told me that if I ever wanted to get into breeding (I want to breed yorkies that are made for agility not only confirmation cause that's my passion) that she would never outright sell me my first dog to breed. It would be a co-ownership and she would have final approval of what I do with it. That way I can learn the ropes together and not hurt the dogs or breed a bad mix.

She has always said that she would love to help me, and of course she also said she wouldn't just sell a breeding dog to anyone.

That showed me that she cares about who does what with the breed.

motoguy205 10-29-2010 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by deonk1 (Post 3313556)
I would like to add that if they do sell breeding contracts, the first dog to this person is a co-op buy. My breeder has told me that if I ever wanted to get into breeding (I want to breed yorkies that are made for agility not only confirmation cause that's my passion) that she would never outright sell me my first dog to breed. It would be a co-ownership and she would have final approval of what I do with it. That way I can learn the ropes together and not hurt the dogs or breed a bad mix.

She has always said that she would love to help me, and of course she also said she wouldn't just sell a breeding dog to anyone.

That showed me that she cares about who does what with the breed.
sounds like you have a good breeder. We have turned away 10x more potiental families than we ever sent dogs to. If the breeder plays 20 questions with you... there is a reason. Proper breeding is to better the breed not to mention that if the dog is registered (which it should be) then the litter of puppies (when registered) will have her name on them reguardless of who has position of them. I am glad you found a good breeder!

Mardelin 10-29-2010 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by deonk1 (Post 3313556)
I would like to add that if they do sell breeding contracts, the first dog to this person is a co-op buy. My breeder has told me that if I ever wanted to get into breeding (I want to breed yorkies that are made for agility not only confirmation cause that's my passion) that she would never outright sell me my first dog to breed. It would be a co-ownership and she would have final approval of what I do with it. That way I can learn the ropes together and not hurt the dogs or breed a bad mix.

She has always said that she would love to help me, and of course she also said she wouldn't just sell a breeding dog to anyone.

That showed me that she cares about who does what with the breed.
In actuality co-ownership is the norm with every dog leaving a breeder/exhibitor's premises. There have been many of instances where people have been dealing and are friends with another exhibitor, trust is built and boom a breach of trust is made. Contracts have become much stricter, maintaining control of offspring for 2 or 3 generations.

Mardelin 10-29-2010 08:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 3313330)
The term "hobby breeder" has always confused me.

How can a breeder who doesn't show breed to the standard when her breeding stock has never been judged?

If a "hobby" breeder isn't investing money in showing, isn't the money she makes on each litter a profit?
Defination of Hobby Breeder is one that has shown extensively and emersed themselves in the breed, but no longer show, but continue to breed. In other words those that came before us, with those great kennel names.

Ladymom 10-29-2010 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3313599)
Defination of Hobby Breeder is one that has shown extensively and emersed themselves in the breed, but no longer show, but continue to breed. In other words those that came before us, with those great kennel names.
Yes, I agree. The term hobby breeder seems to be used here on YT differently, though, to describe breeders who have never shown and breed pet quality dogs, but don't want to be called backyard breeders.

tegamom1 10-29-2010 09:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by deonk1 (Post 3313556)
I would like to add that if they do sell breeding contracts, the first dog to this person is a co-op buy. My breeder has told me that if I ever wanted to get into breeding (I want to breed yorkies that are made for agility not only confirmation cause that's my passion) that she would never outright sell me my first dog to breed. It would be a co-ownership and she would have final approval of what I do with it. That way I can learn the ropes together and not hurt the dogs or breed a bad mix.

She has always said that she would love to help me, and of course she also said she wouldn't just sell a breeding dog to anyone.

That showed me that she cares about who does what with the breed.
Don't really think there's a difference in a show dog or utility dog. A Yorkie should be bred to the standard and to better the breed. Just because one shows in conformation doesn't mean they can't also do obedience also. Many that have the time, do.

BellarataMalt 10-29-2010 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3313521)
I love the pic of your baby in your avatar! Are those flower clips?
Oh thank you!

Those aren't flower clips, they are velvet show pairs. This is Emma, our newest champion. My 11 year old daughter finished her and will be showing her at Eukanuba and Westminster.

BellarataMalt 10-29-2010 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 3313616)
Yes, I agree. The term hobby breeder seems to be used here on YT differently, though, to describe breeders who have never shown and breed pet quality dogs, but don't want to be called backyard breeders.
OOOH is that it? Sorry! I thought it was universal.


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