Some people only promise to love them as long as they are acting as money makers for them. :( And, even when that stops, they STILL want money for them.

I find that people who are breeders make "friends" with their buyers so that they become return buyers. This is phoney as far as I am concerned.

Breeders (small breeders or byb) are typical in one aspect: they do use AKC dogs and have a fine line but they (in my experience) have an ulterior motive for breeding. Either they have a rotten marriage and this sublimates for love, they have a sick spouse and they let the dogs pay for the doctors' bills, they have no life, or they just plain need money and have no other way to earn it legitimately. This is just my opinion, I KNOW there are many good breeders out there and I am grateful for them otherwise I would not have Keno.
I really think the government should step in and regulate the business (and yes, that is what it is), of breeding.
I give kudos to LadyJane for her rescue attempts and the many others on here that do the same. I worked with a shelter up north and it broke my heart to see the conditions some of the dogs lived in.
I do not get fooled by what I call "breeder's friendliness", sometimes it is parallel to a used car salesman's friendliness. Do not be fooled. Anything for a sale.
I have heard of dogs with congenital heart disease, epilepsy, seizures, eye problems, and known stomach problems being passed off as in "excellent" condition, until 5-6 months later the shelter hears about it because the people do not know what to do (the vets notify them in this town.)
I have researched and have found that, sadly, our "cuddly little furballs" can come from a poor overbred female and you would not know it

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well put!

Keno, the USDA does license some dog breeders but they have to meet some requirements (more than 3 breeding females and selling wholesale).

Hobby breeders can be AKC registered but may not qualify for USDA licensing. USDA licensed breeders are inspected by the Federal Inspectors and are required to be in compliance with the Animal Welfare Act.

More info is available at www.aphis.usda.com-- click on animal welfare.
But I always worry about corruption and money passing hands. I am a skeptic.

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could not have said it better.

[QUOTE=Keno;3238183]I find that people who are breeders make "friends" with their buyers so that they become return buyers. This is phoney as far as I am concerned.

I don't agree with this statement. Reputable breeders build a relationship with my families for a couple of reasons. One, they sell a dog unless to anyone without fully investigating where their dog is going too. Second, it is just that a relationship; families know they can depend on a reputable 7x24 for whatever reason and know they will stand behind their breeding. They want to keep in communication for the dog's entire life. As far as obtaining another pet from a reputable...insane, Most reputable beeders breed 1 or 2 litters a year, not often enough to supply the pet market or even known if they'll have a puppy available 2, 3 or 5 years down the road.

USDA Liscensing is an agricultural/farming liscense. Yep! for farmers and livestock......A reputable breeder has higher standards that what is required by an agricultural governing body.

I don't see ever breeder that sells a older female with breeding rights irresponsible without all the facts.

I have only had to place one female because of problems with fighting but she was spayed.

I wish more breeders would follow their pups like you do, Mary! I have two younger pupsters right now who were bred by people who have no idea that they are no longer with the people who purchased them. This happens often.

I can totally understand a breeder being friendly with someone they sold a pup to. I stay in touch with people who adopt from me. I want to know how my pups are. I believe all reputable breeders and rescuers owe it to the pups in their care to follow up on them after adoption and/or sale to make sure they are in happy homes.

As for regulations....we ALL know that there are no laws that truly protect the pups.

[quote=Mardelin;3238237]Totally agree. I am still in touch with Carlo's Breeder, and he is very interested in how he is doing, even though he no longer breeds Corso's. I did a lot of research before I bought him. Checked references, I was checked out, phone calls, and I actually went and visited the breeder to see the littler before we agreed on Carlo. Same with Max, but the lady we got her from Passed away. My wife checked the breeder out and finally picked Max up in NJ while on a Business Trip.

The great thing about this forim is that after a while, you know in your gut, and your heart who the great show breeders are, and who you would want a pup from. I can see how people make mistakes. We did years ago when we were clueless, saw a fog, had to have it, and got it as well as problems. Lessons learned. I would only get one from a breeder that had none available, or that I had to wait for one, when the time is right. I would not mind a wait list, and there are a few here where it would be an honor to get a dog from. You kust know they only want theirs to go to a good home. The heck with the money. Buting the dog is the cheap part. Caring for it when it is alive, and when it gets sick is the expensive part. Everytime I look at Carlo I know.

[quote=shodanusmc;3238276]So true. And a good breeder will look for homes like yours that will go the extra mile if a puppy gets sick or injured. Same with rescues. People who buy and/or adopt should be educated by breeders and rescuers about the costs of maintaining a healthy dog....and about the unexpected costs that often happen.

an apology to those whom I may have offended with my opinion.

But that was all it was, MY opinion.

I can see your point, but in my experience (and a few of my friends) I have seen where the breeders call each and every time they have a litter. And we all know we have our weaknesses for Yorkie pups. (I think that was what I was referring to.)

A call now and then, a Christmas card showing the baby to the breeder is all well and good. A Christmas card from the breeder is nice as well. But some people may buy another pup and not be able to afford another mouth to feed because they feel the breeder is giving them a "bargain" price. IMHO

I still send my OB/GYN pictures of my kids at holiday time, although I have moved many times.

No harm intended.

[QUOTE=Keno;3238183]I find that people who are breeders make "friends" with their buyers so that they become return buyers. This is phoney as far as I am concerned.

Not necessarily. What's wrong with a breeder wanting their pups to go to a good home? If the breeder knows that they did a good job finding their pups a good home to begin with - what's wrong with them wanting to keep in touch in case that family wants another one? And a lot of people do.

I don't believe it's their "motive" for breeding but I sure don't think that there's anything wrong in staying friends with the families that have adopted their pups... we have. :thumbup:

I have a friend that bought a dog from a breeder and when that dog finally passed away 14 yrs later - she contacted the same breeder for another one... and 3 yrs later bought another one! :D

When I got my first Yorkie - Penni - the breeder and I became very good friends (this was a small town in Suffolk, England) and a few weeks after we bought Penni we bought Tuppence from a friend of the breeders. Both ladies became very good friends. We had tea and cream puffs together every Friday morning. We went to local dog shows together and I was upset when Bruce got his orders for us to relocate back to the USA.
Both breeders also helped me when I first started to breed Lhasas, when the first litter was due, both of them were at my home early in the afternoon and stayed until the pups were born. I couldn't have wished for better friends.

hmm Rachael x - please go and buy a cream puff and eat it for me. I miss those things:D