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Sweet Apple 05-05-2010 04:10 AM
Marking
 
After reading the previous post, about the unaltered male and breeding him to the neighbor's dog, I've decided to ask a question I've always wanted to know the answer to, but never asked...Is marking, the same as peeing? Buzz is almost 9 months old, and not neutured...It's not that I'm not going to neuter him, but I'm one of those neuter a bit later, rather than early...My plans are the same, as they were for Apple...I'll nueter him at 18 months, unless that last canine toothe doesn't come out, by the time he's 12 months old...Buzz just does one long pee, in our backyard, but when we go for a walk, he wants to pee on every tree, bush, light pole, fire hydrant and on and on and on...Anyway, is there a dif?

RDB911 05-05-2010 04:51 AM
I think its the same thing...peeing and marking but I could be wrong??

lil fu fu girl 05-05-2010 04:57 AM
Marking is a very interesting behavior which very few behavioralists are actually studying. However, Dr. Anneke Lisbergs' dissertation was on scent markings and urine investigation I believe.

What they do know, is that dogs communicate to other dogs through their urine; pheromones, sexual orientation, and status. Usually in a wild pack, the more dominant and physically developed dogs do most of the marking, as they pose the biggest threat.

Dogs use their urine to mark for many reasons. Once a dog has learned this behavior it is very hard to eradicate it, despite neutering, as this procedure does not affect their urinating. That is why many trainers recommend neutering before this behavior is learned.

So,urinating, is essentially what they are doing when they are marking. Males have been found to most often directly mark over other another dogs urine, whereas females have been found to mostly mark within a 4-5 foot range of it.

Dogs also urinate when frightened, or when they have not had time to "greet" other dogs properly. This frightened urination gives the other dogs something to focus on besides the stressed dog, in that way the other dogs still acquire all the information that they need, without distressing the dog in question.

Well, hope this helps with some added information.:rolleyes::D

RDB911 05-05-2010 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by lil fu fu girl (Post 3115286)
Marking is a very interesting behavior which very few behavioralists are actually studying. However, Dr. Anneke Lisbergs' dissertation was on scent markings and urine investigation I believe.

What they do know, is that dogs communicate to other dogs through their urine; pheromones, sexual orientation, and status. Usually in a wild pack, the more dominant and physically developed dogs do most of the marking, as they pose the biggest threat.

Dogs use their urine to mark for many reasons. Once a dog has learned this behavior it is very hard to eradicate it, despite neutering, as this procedure does not affect their urinating. That is why many trainers recommend neutering before this behavior is learned.

So,urinating, is essentially what they are doing when they are marking. Males have been found to most often directly mark over other another dogs urine, whereas females have been found to mostly mark within a 4-5 foot range of it.

Dogs also urinate when frightened, or when they have not had time to "greet" other dogs properly. This frightened urination gives the other dogs something to focus on besides the stressed dog, in that way the other dogs still acquire all the information that they need, without distressing the dog in question.

Well, hope this helps with some added information.:rolleyes::D


Great Info! :)
Thanks for sharing

Sweet Apple 05-05-2010 05:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lil fu fu girl (Post 3115286)
Marking is a very interesting behavior which very few behavioralists are actually studying. However, Dr. Anneke Lisbergs' dissertation was on scent markings and urine investigation I believe.

What they do know, is that dogs communicate to other dogs through their urine; pheromones, sexual orientation, and status. Usually in a wild pack, the more dominant and physically developed dogs do most of the marking, as they pose the biggest threat.

Dogs use their urine to mark for many reasons. Once a dog has learned this behavior it is very hard to eradicate it, despite neutering, as this procedure does not affect their urinating. That is why many trainers recommend neutering before this behavior is learned. So,urinating, is essentially what they are doing when they are marking. Males have been found to most often directly mark over other another dogs urine, whereas females have been found to mostly mark within a 4-5 foot range of it.

Dogs also urinate when frightened, or when they have not had time to "greet" other dogs properly. This frightened urination gives the other dogs something to focus on besides the stressed dog, in that way the other dogs still acquire all the information that they need, without distressing the dog in question.

Well, hope this helps with some added information.:rolleyes::D
Very interesting..thank you for posting...I did want to add, that it doesn't bother me, at all, that Buzz hikes his little tiny leg (lol)...I always wondered why this was considered a bad habit? Seems it's the natural way for a boy to pee, like guys stand up...right? He doesn't do it in the house, just outside...However, once in a great while, if he needs to pee, and I haven't taken him out, he will squat on a pee pad...He is such a good boy...Again, thanks for posting :)

Britster 05-05-2010 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Sweet Apple (Post 3115299)
Very interesting..thank you for posting...I did want to add, that it doesn't bother me, at all, that Buzz hikes his little tiny leg (lol)...I always wondered why this was considered a bad habit? Seems it's the natural way for a boy to pee, like guys stand up...right? He doesn't do it in the house, just outside...However, once in a great while, if he needs to pee, and I haven't taken him out, he will squat on a pee pad...He is such a good boy...Again, thanks for posting :)
I don't think ppl consider the actual act of lifting their leg a bad thing... it's the fact that a lot of unneutered males (or neutered! lol) do it constantly where it's hard to even go for a walk without stopping every 2 seconds! lol. And also a lot of male dogs will mark indoors (mostly ones that are unaltered). But anyways I let Jackson do his marking on our walks in the beginning and then I make him keep going so we can have a good walk! He's never marked indoors.

Sweet Apple 05-05-2010 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 3115310)
I don't think ppl consider the actual act of lifting their leg a bad thing... it's the fact that a lot of unneutered males (or neutered! lol) do it constantly where it's hard to even go for a walk without stopping every 2 seconds! lol. And also a lot of male dogs will mark indoors (mostly ones that are unaltered). But anyways I let Jackson do his marking on our walks in the beginning and then I make him keep going so we can have a good walk! He's never marked indoors.
Oh Brit, you are soooooooooo right about being a pain in the butt, taking Buzz, for a walk...I do the same, as you...Let Buzz "dry up" lol, then keep him going...Does Jackson mind you, once you want to get going? I have to admit, I'm constantly tuggin' on Buzz...But then, I'm tuggin' on Apple, because she wants to stop and put everything in her mouth :rolleyes:...I thought she would outgrow it, but she keeps on keepin' on, and drives me up the wall...Wish I knew how to stop it...I hate our walks being a tug of war :(

mimimomo 05-05-2010 02:44 PM
Momo will mark when we go for a walk & by the time we've gone around the corner of our street, he'll run out of pee. But he'll still lift his leg & nothing comes out lol. He'll even go where Mimi is sniffin & lift his leg in or on her face...thank goodness he's run out of pee kekee!

DvlshAngel985 05-05-2010 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 3116143)
Momo will mark when we go for a walk & by the time we've gone around the corner of our street, he'll run out of pee. But he'll still lift his leg & nothing comes out lol. He'll even go where Mimi is sniffin & lift his leg in or on her face...thank goodness he's run out of pee kekee!
Poor Mimi! My old roomies dog would "dry up" too and then lift his leg and it seemed that nothing comes out. Actually, he got a teeny drop out every single time!!!! Makes me glad my boy isn't big on marking.

Britster 05-05-2010 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sweet Apple (Post 3115331)
Oh Brit, you are soooooooooo right about being a pain in the butt, taking Buzz, for a walk...I do the same, as you...Let Buzz "dry up" lol, then keep him going...Does Jackson mind you, once you want to get going? I have to admit, I'm constantly tuggin' on Buzz...But then, I'm tuggin' on Apple, because she wants to stop and put everything in her mouth :rolleyes:...I thought she would outgrow it, but she keeps on keepin' on, and drives me up the wall...Wish I knew how to stop it...I hate our walks being a tug of war :(
Oh yeah, then he's fine. He's actually a very good walker, and just loves it. It's so cute to see him walking right next to me, and he just looks so proud, hehe. He always looks up and checks on what I'm doing every few mins or so... it's like "am I doin' good, Mom?!" lol.

megansmomma 05-05-2010 08:45 PM
IMO it is more marking indoors than outdoors. I have 2 boys and one is a lifter and the other is not and are both neutered. Neutering is also much less invasive than a spay.

roxies_mom 05-06-2010 06:32 AM
Great information! I would like to add that it seems as though the urine of a marking dog is much stronger smelling and concentrated as well. Do you suppose that's from the extra hormones in the urine?

sewsweetbows 05-06-2010 07:45 AM
Even the girls mark. My friend was staying with me, her yorkie was in season, she wore panties, but my girl Kayla marked twice in the house.... Yikes!!!!
As soon as my friend left, she was back to being a good house broken little girl....


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