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star28c 04-29-2010 10:07 AM
can someone answer what is
 
dual registration and a 3 generation pedigree is this good ? or bad
can you explain what it is

jackson25 04-29-2010 10:11 AM
Dual is more than one registry, like AKC and ACA

I like a five generation ped....I like to research all the yorkies I can as far back as I can.

star28c 04-29-2010 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by jackson25 (Post 3107471)
Dual is more than one registry, like AKC and ACA

I like a five generation ped....I like to research all the yorkies I can as far back as I can.
so what it means you can get your puppy register some were else and change it anytime?

star28c 04-29-2010 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by jackson25 (Post 3107471)
Dual is more than one registry, like AKC and ACA

I like a five generation ped....I like to research all the yorkies I can as far back as I can.
because this is new to me why do you have them register is this for security i know its a dumb question but i never new why
am i dont know much about owning a dog, coby was my first puppy..
i know he was registerd with aca i believe

jackson25 04-29-2010 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by star28c (Post 3107479)
so what it means you can get your puppy register some were else and change it anytime?
I am not for sure why one would want to register with two....:confused:

If the puppy is AKC, that is all I would register with...

It means, you can register with both registries within the allowed time one gives...

livingdustmops 04-29-2010 10:16 AM
Are you planning on breeding your dog? Did you get registration papers with your puppy?

jackson25 04-29-2010 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by star28c (Post 3107483)
because this is new to me why do you have them register is this for security i know its a dumb question but i never new why
am i dont know much about owning a dog, coby was my first puppy..
i know he was registerd with aca i believe
I register due to the fact that I breed.....It doesn't guarantee that your dog is purebred, choosing a reputable breeder is still key...

As for ACA, not a reputable registry.....

star28c 04-29-2010 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by jackson25 (Post 3107490)
I register due to the fact that I breed.....It doesn't guarantee that your dog is purebred, choosing a reputable breeder is still key...

As for ACA, not a reputable registry.....
no the dog comes with'

dual registration and a 3 generation pedigree. and as for coby he came with aca, we already figured he was from a backyard breeder, puppymill
which why i came to yorkie talk.. when i bought him i didnt
do much research and ended up getting him from a broker company,
the new dog does come akc, but she also has 3 generation pedigree papers that will ship with her. i am not looking to breed

Nancy1999 04-29-2010 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by star28c (Post 3107499)
no the dog comes with'

dual registration and a 3 generation pedigree. and as for coby he came with aca, we already figured he was from a backyard breeder, puppymill
which why i came to yorkie talk.. when i bought him i didnt
do much research and ended up getting him from a broker company,
the new dog does come akc, but she also has 3 generation pedigree papers that will ship with her. i am not looking to breed
Those are just marketing terms, they are not terms that a reputable breeder would use. Most breeders understand that the general public is not educated in this area, and try to mislead the puppy buyer as much as possible.

jackson25 04-29-2010 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by star28c (Post 3107499)
no the dog comes with'

dual registration and a 3 generation pedigree. and as for coby he came with aca, we already figured he was from a backyard breeder, puppymill
which why i came to yorkie talk.. when i bought him i didnt
do much research and ended up getting him from a broker company,
the new dog does come akc, but she also has 3 generation pedigree papers that will ship with her. i am not looking to breed
The breeder is just providing you with her 3 generation ped, you can get one too, you just have to pay for it, so she is saving you the time & expense. So what is the dual reg?

jackson25 04-29-2010 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3107504)
Those are just marketing terms, they are not terms that a reputable breeder would use. Most breeders understand that the general public is not educated in this area, and try to mislead the puppy buyer as much as possible.
:confused: Nancy, what marketing terms are you talking about? I have seen many breeders send pedigree info with puppy.....

jackson25 04-29-2010 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3107504)
Those are just marketing terms, they are not terms that a reputable breeder would use. Most breeders understand that the general public is not educated in this area, and try to mislead the puppy buyer as much as possible.
Know as for the dual reg, I completely agree with you there!

star28c 04-29-2010 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jackson25 (Post 3107506)
The breeder is just providing you with her 3 generation ped, you can get one too, you just have to pay for it, so she is saving you the time & expense. So what is the dual reg?
correct she said the puppies find with akc but she was just telling me what she will come with that all but i ask because i had no idea what
it meant

Mardelin 04-29-2010 10:39 AM
Although, it is nice to have a multiple generation pedigree, most breeders when obtaining breeding dogs already know what is in the pedigree prior to the time of obtaining the dog. That's the reason they've gone to a particular breeder to buy their dog. The first 3 generations in a pedigree is all a breeder needs when breeding dogs.

I think the term dual registration is what Nancy meant is a marketing tool.

A breeder usually provides a pedigree to a puppy buyer, along with AKC regiostration papers. It's up to the buyer to request 3 or 5 generation. But, if your pup is a pet only, all that is necessary is to register the dog.....The registeration will give you the pups registration #, and information on the Dam & Sire.

Nancy1999 04-29-2010 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3107527)
Although, it is nice to have a multiple generation pedigree, most breeders when obtaining breeding dogs already know what is in the pedigree prior to the time of obtaining the dog. That's the reason they've gone to a particular breeder to buy their dog. The first 3 generations in a pedigree is all a breeder needs when breeding dogs.

I think the term dual registration is what Nancy meant is a marketing tool.
A breeder usually provides a pedigree to a puppy buyer, along with AKC regiostration papers. It's up to the buyer to request 3 or 5 generation. But, if your pup is a pet only, all that is necessary is to register the dog.....The registeration will give you the pups registration #, and information on the Dam & Sire.

Yes, and also some breeders will mention "champs" in the background or grandpa was a champion. To the average person this sounds good, but as I've learned more it's just something used by "greeters" to market or sell their dogs. While Joey came with a 5-generation pedigree, this is not something the breeder used to sell me the dog. I didn't even know about it until after I got Joey. Poor little guy feels like he's slumming, living with me.

Mardelin 04-29-2010 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3107530)
Yes, and also some breeders will mention "champs" in the background or grandpa was a champion. To the average person this sounds good, but as I've learned more it's just something used by "greeters" to market or sell their dogs. While Joey came with a 5-generation pedigree, this is not something the breeder used to sell me the dog. I didn't even know about it until after I got Joey. Poor little guy feels like he's slumming, living with me.
A bit of expansion on your info. There are times you will be able to obtain a pup from some that was active in showing for years, however no longer shows, but breeds occassionally. So, you will see Champs back in the pedigree and not up front. But, these pups will carry the breeder's Suffix/Kennel name.

gemy 04-29-2010 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3107527)
Although, it is nice to have a multiple generation pedigree, most breeders when obtaining breeding dogs already know what is in the pedigree prior to the time of obtaining the dog. That's the reason they've gone to a particular breeder to buy their dog. The first 3 generations in a pedigree is all a breeder needs when breeding dogs.

I think the term dual registration is what Nancy meant is a marketing tool.

A breeder usually provides a pedigree to a puppy buyer, along with AKC regiostration papers. It's up to the buyer to request 3 or 5 generation. But, if your pup is a pet only, all that is necessary is to register the dog.....The registeration will give you the pups registration #, and information on the Dam & Sire.

Well I have to say when I bought Magic he was dual registered in both AKC and Canadian Kennel Club. All I had to do was send in paperwork on AKC to register him individually. that was a good time saver and expense for me. For I wanted to show him in both Canada and USA.

Of course I knew his pedigree, but anyhow I liked the way they looked and ordered one from CKC a 5 generation one. AKC came with I think a 3 generation one.

What is important is the the purebred dog be registered with a reputable registry. This means the puppies parents are registered and the litter has been registered with the for instance AKC. All the new owner needs to do is register the dog individually. If the cost is reasonable why not do it?

How-ever it doesn't confer any special benefit to the owner if they don't want to compete in agility, rally, obedience or conformation.

jackson25 04-29-2010 11:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3107527)
Although, it is nice to have a multiple generation pedigree, most breeders when obtaining breeding dogs already know what is in the pedigree prior to the time of obtaining the dog. That's the reason they've gone to a particular breeder to buy their dog. The first 3 generations in a pedigree is all a breeder needs when breeding dogs.

I think the term dual registration is what Nancy meant is a marketing tool.

A breeder usually provides a pedigree to a puppy buyer, along with AKC regiostration papers. It's up to the buyer to request 3 or 5 generation. But, if your pup is a pet only, all that is necessary is to register the dog.....The registeration will give you the pups registration #, and information on the Dam & Sire.
That is what I was talking about as well....and what I thought Nancy was referring too.

Mardelin 04-29-2010 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3107547)
Well I have to say when I bought Magic he was dual registered in both AKC and Canadian Kennel Club. All I had to do was send in paperwork on AKC to register him individually. that was a good time saver and expense for me. For I wanted to show him in both Canada and USA.

Of course I knew his pedigree, but anyhow I liked the way they looked and ordered one from CKC a 5 generation one. AKC came with I think a 3 generation one.

What is important is the the purebred dog be registered with a reputable registry. This means the puppies parents are registered and the litter has been registered with the for instance AKC. All the new owner needs to do is register the dog individually. If the cost is reasonable why not do it?

How-ever it doesn't confer any special benefit to the owner if they don't want to compete in agility, rally, obedience or conformation.
Gail,

Since I have software that maintains all the activity of the dogs I have; medical/showing/beeding/pedigrees. My pedigree's go back 10 generations and some further. So I usually print a 5 generation pedigree for my pet families. Some just think it's cool, along with a birth announcement for them.

Your's is a horse of a different color. Your dogs were registered with the registry of choice in both countries. I know a couple of Canadian exhibitor/breeders that show in both countries and Champion their dogs in both countries as well as in Europe. There is a lot of paper work to deal with when doing this.

Mardelin 04-29-2010 11:31 AM
Already wrote this....duplicate.

TnTalker 04-29-2010 12:03 PM
My dog is CKC, is that a reputable registry? I think the breeder uses that registry because she can register the whole litter and doesn't have to send in individual registrations on each puppy. The buyer does that after the puppy is home and named.

Mardelin 04-29-2010 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TnTalker (Post 3107660)
My dog is CKC, is that a reputable registry? I think the breeder uses that registry because she can register the whole litter and doesn't have to send in individual registrations on each puppy. The buyer does that after the puppy is home and named.
Canadian Kennel Club is a reputable registry.

A breeder only registers the litter. The only time she individually registers a pup is when she plans on keeping a pup, that way the dog is registered in her name. You're right American and Canadian Kennel Club papers are provided to the new owners so that the pup can be registered in their name.

Nancy1999 04-29-2010 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TnTalker (Post 3107660)
My dog is CKC, is that a reputable registry? I think the breeder uses that registry because she can register the whole litter and doesn't have to send in individual registrations on each puppy. The buyer does that after the puppy is home and named.
The Canadian Kennel Club (CKC) is a reputable registry; the Continental Kennel Club (CKC) is not. In fact, I think they took that name just to mislead people who believe that the initials CKC stood for something good, however, it's had the opposite effect and now people are even leery of the Canadian Club, which is unfortunate because they are very reputable.

The breeder is misleading you, her dogs are probably not eligible for registering with the AKC, and that's the reason she isn't registering them. They could be ineligible for a number of reasons, their relatives weren't registered, or she had no breeding rights, or she has broken some rule of the AKC, such as not keeping appropriate records. Breeders also register whole litters with the AKC, and the individual buyer registers the dog under her name, if she chooses to do so. The Continental club will register any dog, even mixes, so what's the purpose? For more information on registries read this: understanding your dog's papers - lesser registries

gemy 04-29-2010 02:15 PM
thanks for making that clear Nancy. For the OP you should look at the head office address of your registration paperwork. The Canadian Kennel Club's head office is in Ontario, Canada and their website is www.ckc.ca

BamaFan121s 04-29-2010 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3107675)
The Continental club will register any dog, even mixes,
Not exactly...they don't "register" mixes anymore than AKC does.

Nancy1999 04-29-2010 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3107861)
Not exactly...they don't "register" mixes anymore than AKC does.
The AKC doesn't "register" mixes at all. Mixes are only allowed to compete in non-conformation events and no pedigree information is listed and they must be neutered. While they are given a number this is not to be confused with being registered with the AKC. No breeders can use this to confuse a puppy buyer because dog must be neutered.

Here's what many websites say about the Continental Kennel Club:

CKC-Continental Kennel Club (do not confuse with Canadian Kennel Club!) CKC will recognize a cross between any two purebred dogs, and will issue a registration certificate on their offspring. These crosses are not registered as purebred dogs but are registered as the offspring of purebred dogs. CKC accepts no responsibility for any inaccurate, false, or fraudulent information submitted on registration applications. They sponsor no shows or championships. They also give big fee breaks to large kennels registering lots of dogs (such as Puppy Mills). Will register dogs not registered with other recognized registries. understanding your dog's papers - lesser registries

rumdust 04-29-2010 04:02 PM
I like a breeder who goes back at least 5 generations on the pedigree. The breeder I got my yorkie from went back to about 8 generations. I trust AKC but leary about the lesser known ones.

BamaFan121s 04-29-2010 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3107901)
The AKC doesn't "register" mixes at all. Mixes are only allowed to compete in non-conformation events and no pedigree information is listed and they must be neutered. While they are given a number this is not to be confused with being registered with the AKC. No breeders can use this to confuse a puppy buyer because dog must be neutered.

Here's what many websites say about the Continental Kennel Club:

CKC-Continental Kennel Club (do not confuse with Canadian Kennel Club!) CKC will recognize a cross between any two purebred dogs, and will issue a registration certificate on their offspring. These crosses are not registered as purebred dogs but are registered as the offspring of purebred dogs. They sponsor no shows or championships.
People with these CKC dogs can't confuse puppy buyers either--the offspring of those dogs can't be registered, so they can't exactly sell registerable offspring from them. The certificate simply states that the dog is the offspring of two purebred dogs, nothing more. If someone is "fooled" by that, then that is the result of 1) a dishonest breeder, and 2) a very uneducated buyer. The value of this type of "registration" is the same for both CKC and AKC--neither are claiming that the dogs are a registered, recognized breed of their own. The only difference is, AKC requires the dog to be neutered (:thumbup:) and they don't list the information for the parents. Both allow those dogs to enter non-conformation events. And CKC DOES host obedience, agility and sporting events quite often.

Don't get me wrong, I am in NO way saying that CKC is a superior registry (because IMO they're not) nor am I condoning cross breeding (because I am very much against it). But stating that CKC registers mixed breed dogs in the same capacity that a registry would a purebred dog is not accurate.


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