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Cerise 04-22-2010 07:47 AM

Cutting Corners
 
:) Here are ways most unethical breeders, BYB's, PM's, and brokers cut corners in their plans and the first one listed is why you get a lot of Yorkies that aren't standard and look a bit off (hair, ears, body, face, etc.) once they get older.


1. They cross breed a female Silky with a male Yorkie because she can produce a large litter and then call them Yorkies, because most gullible people don't know the difference.

2. They do no health testing...NONE...but lie and say they do because they have learned how to "business talk" to buyers to seem legit.

3. They sell the puppies at 6-8 weeks old to cut their own expenses to make $$$. These puppies have not been wormed or had their first set of shots.

4. They claim they have a health guarantee :rolleyes: again... this is "business talk" and doing #3 above is a big clue.

5. If you are lucky to go to their homes the mama dog usually may not even look like she has been nursing, or they may not have the neither of parents on site, or they may give some bogus excuse about them. But they miraculously have a litter of puppies (BROKER)



To all you puppy shoppers out there.... PLEASE do research and educate yourselves and not fall victim to puppy wanting fever. Have patience and find a real Yorkie from a reputable breeder.

BamaFan121s 04-22-2010 07:51 AM

Thanks for the explanation. It's very informative and helpful.

I've bred and raised litters and I KNOW how expensive it is. When I see pups going for extremely low amounts, the first thing that comes to mind is "How on Earth could you swing that? What shortcuts are you taking?"

The first thing I assume is that the dogs, and dam/sire, have not had any specific health tests done...beyond just a 'vet check,' if that. Because those costs add up VERY quickly.

Cerise 04-22-2010 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3096756)
Thanks for the explanation. It's very informative and helpful.

I've bred and raised litters and I KNOW how expensive it is. When I see pups going for extremely low amounts, the first thing that comes to mind is "How on Earth could you swing that? What shortcuts are you taking?"

The first thing I assume is that the dogs, and dam/sire, have not had any specific health tests done...beyond just a 'vet check,' if that. Because those costs add up VERY quickly.


Exactly! :thumbup:

So the bargin puppy ends up not being a bargin at all later down the road with the vet bills the new owner is stuck with. There will be vet bills owning a Yorkie, but these unneccessary bills from breeding healthy dogs are heartbreaking. I get nervous every time I go to the sick and injured section in YT to read post there.

megansmomma 04-22-2010 09:05 AM

Excellent post! :thumbup:

Cerise 04-22-2010 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3096779)
Exactly! :thumbup:

So the bargin puppy ends up not being a bargin at all later down the road with the vet bills the new owner is stuck with. There will be vet bills owning a Yorkie, but these unneccessary bills from breeding healthy dogs are heartbreaking. I get nervous every time I go to the sick and injured section in YT to read post there.


LOL at myself and typing errors... that is meant to say "UNhealthy" dogs :rolleyes:

scentlady 04-22-2010 05:16 PM

:thumbup: Grrreat thread!:thumbup::thumbup:

Nancy1999 07-19-2010 07:42 PM

How did I miss this thread, very informative, thanks for posting.

smartpuppiepets 07-19-2010 08:16 PM

Great Post !
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Ladymom 07-19-2010 08:20 PM

Great thread! :thumbup:

Rachael x 07-20-2010 02:42 AM

:goodpost::thankyou2

Dzbabykel 07-20-2010 05:22 AM

Such a GREAT post! I really hope interested buyers with no experience come here first and read this, I got lucky with my breeder but would have not known HALF the information I received from this site prior to bringing home my baby. Thanks for sharing! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

smartpuppiepets 07-20-2010 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dzbabykel (Post 3205903)
Such a GREAT post! I really hope interested buyers with no experience come here first and read this, I got lucky with my breeder but would have not known HALF the information I received from this site prior to bringing home my baby. Thanks for sharing! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Good for you , but a lot of times we try to educate people but they do not want to listen, specially when they see those "bargain" prices on the local newspapers.
This is a great post ! Not only for pet owners but for breeders too. It makes us feel good about the recognition of a conscious breeding approach with responsible practices. It is nice to see people who notice the hard work we have, and expensive !
XOXO

WV~Yorkies 07-20-2010 08:39 PM

Great post

topknot 07-21-2010 04:24 AM

What I have also noted about these breeders is that the pups never see a vet at all. The breeder gives all the shots themself as well as never taking them in for testing, so how do they know they are healthy or not or an underlining problem that will pop up soon when the buyer has it at home. And then the breeder does not have a guarantee. No support at all. Bad business and not ethical. So a good question to ask and have proof when searching for a pup - is vet exams.

topknot 07-21-2010 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by smartpuppiepets (Post 3207274)
Good for you , but a lot of times we try to educate people but they do not want to listen, specially when they see those "bargain" prices on the local newspapers...

So true - there are some out there that only want the bargain price and hope it will not have a problem and they listen to what that breeder says - thinking it is truth. The bargain prices shows corners that breeder had to make to sell at the low price.

red98vett 07-21-2010 04:46 AM

Great post !! All we have to do is go to the sick and emergency section to see how many bad breeders are selling out there - there's no excuse for all the health issues these beautiful dogs are having - not to mention - many that we see sometimes don't even LOOK like yorkies !

another flag is those selling 'teacups' - big red flag when they have sites advertising teacups - micromini's and all the other 'sale words' we see on so many sites - it sucks people in and in actuality - these are the breeders to stay WAY away from

edited to add - a good looking website is NOT proof of a good breeder no matter what they say - anyone can make a pretty site and say anything they want these days

it's always good to ask questions here first - there's always someone who can help you when choosing a puppy before someone gets gouged for big bucks and ends up with a sick little dog full of health issues because many are just not caring and only in it for the money

Beamers Mom 07-21-2010 05:11 AM

Before I got Beamer, there were lots of Yorkies advertised in the paper. I ignored them. When I bought Beamer I had friends ask why I paid so much when I could have got a Yorkie locally for a lot less - even my sister in law was looking in the newspapers for a Yorkie for me. They just didn't understand! I didn't want to buy a bundle of health problems down the road.

You get what you pay for.

topknot 07-21-2010 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by red98vett (Post 3207485)
Great post !! All we have to do is go to the sick and emergency section to see how many bad breeders are selling out there - there's no excuse for all the health issues these beautiful dogs are having - not to mention - many that we see sometimes don't even LOOK like yorkies !

another flag is those selling 'teacups' - big red flag when they have sites advertising teacups - micromini's and all the other 'sale words' we see on so many sites - it sucks people in and in actuality - these are the breeders to stay WAY away from

edited to add - a good looking website is NOT proof of a good breeder no matter what they say - anyone can make a pretty site and say anything they want these days

it's always good to ask questions here first - there's always someone who can help you when choosing a puppy before someone gets gouged for big bucks and ends up with a sick little dog full of health issues because many are just not caring and only in it for the money

With website - you have to read carefully what they are saying or not saying. A good website should show the parents, dog's should be groomed, and it should educate about the standard/health issues/care/etc... I do not like sites that take VISA/MC - tells me they are willing to sell the pup to anyone that can pay and acting on impulse. These people, I feel, care only about the money!

topknot 07-21-2010 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Beamers Mom (Post 3207516)
Before I got Beamer, there were lots of Yorkies advertised in the paper. I ignored them. When I bought Beamer I had friends ask why I paid so much when I could have got a Yorkie locally for a lot less - even my sister in law was looking in the newspapers for a Yorkie for me. They just didn't understand! I didn't want to buy a bundle of health problems down the road.

You get what you pay for.

You are right, but you also want to make sure you are not paying more for a substandard yorkie or one with health problems. I know someone in my area selling a pup for 4,800 and the parent and probably the grandparents are not even champions.

And then person was looking for a pup cheap and even stated - and "the dog is a dog!" I wonder how this person would care for the pup. He also had other dogs and stated "I go to the vets every month with them." Sounds like he may have already had health probelms with the ones he had - maybe because he bought cheap.

Mardelin 07-21-2010 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topknot (Post 3207518)
With website - you have to read carefully what they are saying or not saying. A good website should show the parents, dog's should be groomed, and it should educate about the standard/health issues/care/etc... I do not like sites that take VISA/MC - tells me they are willing to sell the pup to anyone that can pay and acting on impulse. These people, I feel, care only about the money!

While websites aren't for me. A good one is used to showcase your dogs and accomplishments. It should be used to educate and selling pups on it should not be it's prime purpose. One that takes VISA/MC or paypal only reveals that the breeder has no interest on who their dogs go too.....especially if they are willing to ship the pups......

red98vett 07-21-2010 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topknot (Post 3207518)
With website - you have to read carefully what they are saying or not saying. A good website should show the parents, dog's should be groomed, and it should educate about the standard/health issues/care/etc... I do not like sites that take VISA/MC - tells me they are willing to sell the pup to anyone that can pay and acting on impulse. These people, I feel, care only about the money!

the money and also NOT the welfare of the poor dogs who end up suffering from bad breeders. I always hate reading about the pain and all the surgeries we see so much of these days

IF I were an ethical breeder i'd want to scream each time I see someone taken advantage but the GREEDERS out there

don't know how you all keep your cool - it must hurt your heart to see these beautiful dogs being sold like cattle all for the almighty dollar - not to mention - those are the breeders that dump you once the sale is made.

it sucks ....it really sucks how many are out there doing this with no remorse or caring that they sell sick puppies. The dogs suffer and the people who love them suffer and end up paying big vet bills..not the way to be a good breeder at all !

scentlady 07-25-2010 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3207528)
While websites aren't for me. A good one is used to showcase your dogs and accomplishments. It should be used to educate and selling pups on it should not be it's prime purpose. One that takes VISA/MC or paypal only reveals that the breeder has no interest on who their dogs go too.....especially if they are willing to ship the pups......

Yep I think what you said is great wisdom and a whole lotta truth! I can't even imagine buying a pet from a picture! I want to meet the breeder, see the parents, see the puppy etc etc.

2Morkies 07-25-2010 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3096750)
:) Here are ways most unethical breeders, BYB's, PM's, and brokers cut corners in their plans and the first one listed is why you get a lot of Yorkies that aren't standard and look a bit off (hair, ears, body, face, etc.) once they get older.


1. They cross breed a female Silky with a male Yorkie because she can produce a large litter and then call them Yorkies, because most gullible people don't know the difference.

2. They do no health testing...NONE...but lie and say they do because they have learned how to "business talk" to buyers to seem legit.

3. They sell the puppies at 6-8 weeks old to cut their own expenses to make $$$. These puppies have not been wormed or had their first set of shots.

4. They claim they have a health guarantee :rolleyes: again... this is "business talk" and doing #3 above is a big clue.

5. If you are lucky to go to their homes the mama dog usually may not even look like she has been nursing, or they may not have the neither of parents on site, or they may give some bogus excuse about them. But they miraculously have a litter of puppies (BROKER)



To all you puppy shoppers out there.... PLEASE do research and educate yourselves and not fall victim to puppy wanting fever. Have patience and find a real Yorkie from a reputable breeder.





Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a Silky a cross between a Cocker and a Yorkie?:confused:

yorkie_mama22 07-26-2010 07:16 AM

I wonder if my moms yorkie was cross bred wit ha silky?? My moms yorkie looks like a yorkie, just longer.. The litter mate that my moms friend has, is a female too but looks NOTHING like a yorkie! Floppy ears, long tail, and extremely long body. :confused:

MyBabyFynnlie 07-26-2010 07:27 AM

Good posting! Thanks so much! :) I wouldn't have known half of the stuff I asked my breeder without this site! You guys really do rock! :) :)


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