No, it doesn't. There are good and bad breeders. I've stated in another thread, there are code of ethics and conducts that are put in place for guidelines to the members. However, YTCA does police it's members and should they commit an infraction of rules regulations put forth by the YTCA and or AKC they will be reprimanded/fined/suspended/removed.....

It is stated over and over when looking for your puppy, do your research on breeders. Reputable breeders do not profess to never produce a puppy with problems. What makes them reputable is how they handle said situation.

Now the good, great breeders in the show world have a different definition. What you are describing is reputable/responsible, one that stands behind their dogs.

good idea, i'll post a separate thread! i'd like to hear various opinions....

Think about it most show dogs cost more, they are older. I think the add above is based on just that fact...puppies were sold as pets, dogs as trained in what they were produced for and showing.

Nancy,

I think the subject of good and great breeders has a different defination from breeder/exhibitors. What the average puppy buyer would be asking is what seperates a reputable responsible breeder from the rest of the crowd. There is a thread on that, as a matter of fact, several. And of course it's all over the internet.

we sale are for $500 but everybody keep on tell my father that we should sale them for more, what price should we ask for them?

Nancy! You are just wonderful :) Quicksilver I remember the conversation but haven't had time to look what I said as I've slept since then LOL...my price for a pet yorkie would be somewhere between what Nancy posted. I've sold females for alot less than you'd think :)

we sale are puppy for $ 500 but everybody is tell my father to sale them more, what do you think?

Donna,

I remember the thread too. What is not revealed to the general public is many a breeder/exhibitor have placed (no fee) puppies in homes, started out new exhibitors by giving them a breeding pair (of course the dogs are required to be Championed). Also, most reputable breeders would never sell a tiny, they are placed in approved homes that know how to care for them. Where a not so reputable breeder would price gouge and sell said tiny for an astronomical price.

Hey Donna,

Which of us is going to head out Arizona way to meet Nancy first?

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It is stated over and over when looking for your puppy, do your research on breeders. Reputable breeders do not profess to never produce a puppy with problems. What makes them reputable is how they handle said situation.

Agree with this...just to say this...I kept a 9 month old puppy for a show prospect and she ended up with a health issue. When I found out she had a health issue I took care of her expenses (not cheap) until I knew she was going to be ok. I then had to find a suitbable pet home for this special little girl...Of course the family had to be approved by me and now we are great friends and one I consider to one of my best friends. I placed her for "FREE".

It's all in standing behind your breeding program and doing what's right for the breed and taking a stand for your puppies! It's what a reputable breeder does when a problem presents itself and how you handle it!

Donna

Hi,

I see your new, welcome aboard. Tell us a bit about yourself.

Pricing your dogs is based on a lot of things. What region you live in, the health of your dogs, how well your dogs conform to the Yorkshire Standard, the cost that is put into testing your dogs, vet costs, showing.....

So, your question can't be answered simply with what you should be charging.

I don't know anything about your breeding program and of course my question to you would be is your father breeding to improve the breed and have all the necessary tests that need to be run ect...??? That's just a few things to consider..

Welcome to YT :)


Donna

I don't think you should charge more for them, that's you're decision. I'm only trying to give puppy buyers a little information on how much a puppy will cost. The southern states are very competitive, and many people have told me that they sold yorkies for $350.00, until the found Yorkietalk. I never recommend that people buy and sell over the Internet though, I always recommend buyers and sellers meet in person. :)

This is a great thread Nancy. I've enjoyed reading it.

Great post.

I couldn't agree more, you really set the standard when it comes to standing behind your pups! Although many breeders offer a health guarantee, it often just means an exchange for another puppy. :(

Nancy, your post is very informative. The only probem is, not all breeders fit neatly into those 3 categories.

There are bad exhibitor/breeders, that will breed for looks first and not show concern for health and temperment, and will even enhance the coat to make it the correct color, tie ear hair into the topknot to make the ears stand erect and trim the feet to hide toes turning in or out.

Then there are non exhibitor/breeders that breed to improve their own lines, and establish the variety of colors, but cannot or do not show for a variety of reasons, but still produce, beautiful, healthy dogs with good temperaments.

Then there are those that mass produce and will breed anything and everything just for profit.

The last group is pretty black and white and their motive is obvious.

The other 2 groups have a lot of grey area, that overlaps between the two groups. And neither group is all good or all bad.

This wasn't about good breeders vs a bad breeder it was about breeders and the prices they charge. I really think every breeder can be placed in ONE of the groups. I think it's important to inform people that the old saying, "You get what you pay for," doesn't hold, when purchasing a dog.

I have seen prices all over the board..But it really is about doing the footwork..getting to know the breeder..It should never be a one time deal. I would hope that when I purchase my next family member it would be from someone that I can return to again in the future. It should be based on trust and both parties should be happy! You can't put a price on trust and happiness right? Know your breeder and know your client. and know what you can afford. The expense doesn't stop at the sale of the dog..it is only the beginning..:)

Them way I read it was it was about show breeders vs non show breeders.

fNot all show breeders havem the best interest of the breed in mind. And not all non sholw breeders are only in it for the money.

I totally agree on this sentence.

yes, Knowing your breeder is the most important.

All I can do is suggest that you read it again, in the first paragraph I said,

You know Nancy, I stand behind my breeding program absolutely and what bothers me is those that are in this for the money and then say reputable breeders are in it for the same reason or make a profit whether it be little or a lot and that the YTCA is holier than thou and run it in the ground. I am proud to be a part of this club as it's taught me so much and I've got some wonderful people that I can turn too that are a part of this wonderful club. Some feel that we sell our pups for astronomical prices. Yes, I have a set price for when I do have a pet yorkie available BUT I have lowered that price due to not passing up a wonderful home and the best placement for my pup!
I'm not looking for any kind of recognition from anyone, I just want a healthy yorkie and show dog for me and to love them and cherish them and when I do have a pet yorkie pup to place I want the same in a new family as I would in myself.
Donna

:thumbup:

I have a choice now between waiting for a litter or picking a 1 yr. old. My only doubt would be is will the older pup like it's new home after being in the breeders home for a year. Also, I think people like puppies because they see it as "new"..weird but true. I think I would like both..I would love to have an older pup first and than later introduce a puppy to the family. The breeder is asking the same price for all her dogs. :) As long as they are healthy and sweet..I guess it should not matter.

Totally agree with you Nancy, every breeder does fit into one of your Groups that you decribed.

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I have no idea why all that other crap posted at the top of my post..lol..sorry..

It's ok! Thanks for sharing our experience.

I think Nancy's post is a thought provoking one. Especially to future puppy buyers. Educating them on which breeders would be best to support. My opinion this line of education, if widely spread can to a lot towards stamping out Puppy Millers, BYBers, Wholesalers....

I'm not 100% positive...but I think the thinking back then was it was more valuable to get a trained dog...i.e. an older dog with some training rather than a puppy which you need to train...And sometimes I think that this is a mistake many of us make. We want to take part in that cute/fluffy state, but forget how much work goes into a puppy in that first year or so, to come out with a well trained companion. (When I think of the money I spent in training classes/time and energy training my first dog....:D)