So I would like to know why you think it cheapens a dog by showing in an NAKC type venue that is more like fun shows and a place to gain experience for your dogs? Its a great way to start a puppy without all the stress.

Even though I agree they should have been listed as a color variety of the Yorkshire Terrier, and we will see if we can get them placed correctly. But for right now, I will accept the companion/exotic listing. The NAKC is a reputable show venue and is better then nothing!!

I don't get the hostility here Jeanie. Just because many parti breeders are content with just breeding and selling...doesn't mean we all are. If you want to sit around waiting on the YTCA to allow your dogs to show...that is your right.
I for one am thrilled the parti has a place to compete and show. And this will hopefully lead to other venue's like the UKC accepting the parti.

To me it does not matter what group they are in, they are still called the Parti color Yorkshire terrier, all of these dogs are in the companion group that the Parti is in.
* Affenpinsher
* American Hairless Terrier
* American Lamalese
* Belgian Griffon
* Bichon Frise
* Biewer
* Bolognese
* Boston Terrier
* Brussels Griffon
* Cavalier King Charles Spaniel
* Chihuahua
* Chinese Crested
* Coton de Tul?r
* English Toy Spaniel
* French Bulldog
* Havana Silk Dog
* Havanese
* Japanese Chin
* Kromfohrlder
* Kyi-Leo
* Lhasa Apso
* Lowchen
* Maltese
* Manchester Terrier
* Mi-Ki
* Miniature Pincher
* Parti Color Yorkshire Terrier
* Pappillon
* Pekingese
* Pomeranian
* Poodle
* Pug
* Rat Terrier
* Russian Toy Dog
* Shih Tzu
* Small Brabant Griffon
* Tibetan Spaniel
* Tibetan Terrier
* Toy Fox Terrier
* Russian Tsvetnaya Bolonka

As you can see they are with the maltese,pugs, shih, poms etc. I wouldn't exactly call them Exotic.

Jeanie.. I agree with you on this point and would dearly love to see ALL yorkies of ALL colors be shown together..Traditional colors, Partis, Biewers, Gold Dusts etc.. but that just may not happen right now, many people aren't ready for that YET. I believe it will happen someday.. but to sit around and not show, WAITING for that to happen would be a travesty in my book.

To deprive our dogs of getting the experience of the ring, the evaluations from the qualified judges the NAKC brings in would be criminal. The only way to better the quality of our dogs is to have a standard to strive for.. and to have qualified unbiased people helping us along the way to reach the lofty goals we have set for ourselves and our dogs.

Without bringing our dogs out for inspection, critque and constructive criticism.. how do they improve? We can't just breed and breed and breed and never hope to get better? If you have ever been to an NAKC event, you will see that it is a wonderful place to learn how to show, to spend time with your dogs.. it's less stressful than AKC but runs under very similar rules. The Biewers have shown in this venue for years, as there are very few options open to them as of yet. The growth in the quality of the Biewers is amazing, and I believe that is in large part because of the opportunity we have had to go out and show the dogs, talk to judges, meet other breeders and exchange ideas at these shows. It is an invaluable experience for breeders, the dogs and even the pet owners to learn about their breed.

I just can't imagine anyone who raises Parti's not be over joyed with this news.. It is not full AKC acceptance in the ring.. I get that.. but just because someone can't afford a Lexus doesn't mean they don't drive. A wonderful opportunity has been presented to the Parti's because of this acceptance by the NAKC. One can choose to take advantage of it.. or not. I can tell you that those who's programs choose to grab hold, will be all the better for it.

Diana :animal-pa

I agree..even though I personally would have prefered the parti listed as a color variety of the traditional yorkie...there is noting wrong with it being listed in the companion group.

I would like a better explanation as to how this cheapens the parti?

Does it cheapen the Shih Tzu and the Pug and all the other AKC breeds that show with the NAKC as well? It's a great venue to get our dogs shown and judged. What's wrong with that?

There is no hostility. I did not say anything hostile. Just expressed my opinion and why I feel that way.

Saying that it is "better than nothing" is just settling IMO.

Were they not already being shown APRI? Or am I wrong on that?

The yorkshire terrier being shown in AKC conformation rings are known as the toy group/but are also known as the companion group. So this is a great accomplishment.

Recognized breeds

Main article: American Kennel Club Groups
As of July 2009, the AKC fully recognizes 163 breeds with 12 additional breeds granted partial status in the Miscellaneous class. Another 62 rare breeds can be registered in its Foundation Stock Service.
The AKC divides dog breeds into seven groups, one class, and the Foundation Stock Service, consisting of the following (as of July 2009):
Sporting Group: 28 breeds[16] developed as bird dogs. Includes Pointers, Retrievers, Setters, and Spaniels.
Hound Group: 25 breeds[17] developed to hunt using sight (sighthounds) or scent (scent hounds). Includes Greyhounds and Beagles.
Working Group: 26 large breeds[18] developed for a variety of jobs, including guarding property, guarding livestock, or pulling carts. Includes Siberian Huskies and Bernese Mountain Dogs.
Terrier Group: 27 feisty breeds[19] some of which were developed to hunt vermin and to dig them from their burrows or lairs. Size ranges from the tiny Cairn Terrier to the large Airedale Terrier.
Toy Group: 21 small companion breeds[20] Includes Toy Poodles and Pekineses.
Non-Sporting Group: 17 breeds[21] that do not fit into any of the preceding categories, usually larger than Toy dogs. Includes Bichon Frises and Miniature Poodles.
Herding Group: 22 breeds[22] developed to herd livestock. Includes Rough Collies and Belgian Shepherds.
Best in Show:over 150 breeds All Breeds
Miscellaneous Class: 11 breeds[23] that have advanced from FSS but that are not yet fully recognized. After a period of time that ensures that good breeding practices are in effect and that the gene pool for the breed is ample, the breed is moved to one of the seven preceding groups.
Foundation Stock Service (FSS) Program: 62 breeds.[24] This is a breed registry in which breeders of rare breeds can record the birth and parentage of a breed that they are trying to establish in the United States; these dogs provide the foundation stock from which eventually a fully recognized breed might result. These breeds cannot participate in AKC events until at least 150 individual dogs are registered; thereafter, competition in various events is then provisional.
The AKC Board of Directors appointed a committee in October, 2007, to evaluate the current alignment of breeds within the seven variety groups. Reasons for the action included the growing number of breeds in certain groups, and the make-up of breeds within certain groups. The number of groups and group make-up has been modified in the past, providing precedent for this action. The Group Realignment Committee completed their report in July, 2008.
The committee recommended that the seven variety groups be replaced with ten variety groups. If this proposal is approved, the Hound Group would be divided into “Scent Hounds” and “Sight Hounds”; the Sporting Group would be divided into “Sporting Group – Pointers and Setters” and “Sporting Group – Retrievers and Spaniels"; a new group called the “Northern Group” would be created; and the Non-Sporting Group would be renamed the “Companion Group”. The Northern Group would be populated by Northern/Spitz breeds, consisting of the Norwegian Elkhound, Akita, Alaskan Malamute, Siberian Husky, Samoyed, American Eskimo, Chinese Shar-Pei, Chow Chow, Finnish Spitz, Keeshond, Schipperke, Shiba Inu and Swedish Vallhund. In addition, the Italian Greyhound is proposed to be moved to the Sight Hound Group, and the Dalmatian is proposed to be moved to the Working Group. [25]


This is also an education link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Group

I don't know the answer to that one.. I have never been to an APRI show. Why would anyone register their Parti's APRI when they are AKC registered?

Diana :animal-pa

Do any of those breeds already have their own group like the Yorkshire Terrier does? There is already a yorkshire terrier group listed, so why did they need to put them, in this group? Why not at least in the Terrier group where the yorkshire terrier is.

IMO they did it to get the revenue without actually calling them yorkshire terriers.

I don't want to register my dogs with APRI. IMO... that would cheapen my AKC dogs more then showing them with the NAKC?

THe NAKC is not a pet registry. They are a show venue. It is a reputable venue to have your dogs shown and judged.

And as Cindy has already said...this will help the parti breeders validate our breeding programs and show UKC and AKC we are serious.

AKC Breeds by Group - Toy Group - link to the info below plus pictures of the toy/companion group for AKC.

AKC Breeds by Group
Toy Group

The diminutive size and winsome expressions of Toy dogs illustrate the main function of this Group: to embody sheer delight. Don't let their tiny stature fool you, though - - many Toys are tough as nails. If you haven't yet experienced the barking of an angry Chihuahua, for example, well, just wait. Toy dogs will always be popular with city dwellers and people without much living space. They make ideal apartment dogs and terrific lap warmers on nippy nights. (Incidentally, small breeds may be found in every Group, not just the Toy Group. We advise everyone to seriously consider getting a small breed, when appropriate, if for no other reason than to minimize some of the problems inherent in canines such as shedding, creating messes and cost of care. And training aside, it's still easier to control a ten-pound dog than it is one ten times that size.)

I don't know, I suppose so they could show them. why regtister them NAKC if they are already registered AKC.

:thumbup: Exactly!!

NAKC is not a registry

They are not registered with NAKC.. it is only a show venue.. not a registry.

Diana :animal-pa

NAKC is NOT a registry. They are only involved in the conformation aspect of dog shows.

But yet you have to regtister them with NAKC to be able to show them. :rolleyes: So to me not calling themselvwes a registry is just a technicallity.

I just exopressed my opinion. that is all, I do not care to argue about it. what's done is done.

I just fear that they will take the same route as the Biewers and soon there will be a group claiming that they are not real yorkshire terriers and try to register them as Parti Terriers.

None of which I can do anything about except to express my opinion.

Now had they put them in with the Yorkshire Terriers, that would have been an accomplishment and a credit to the dogs. but since they didn't they merely tossed you bone.

NAKC is not a registry for dogs, it is show venue period! This is the first step to hopefully the parti yorkshire terrier becoming a variety with AKC conformation shows. This is a venue for people wanting to validate their breeding stock/programs.

Yes I read that on their websdite. but I beg to differ since you do have to register them (for a fee) in order to participate in their shows.

If it looks like duck.........................

There have been many AKC show exhibitors also show in the UKC venue and their dogs have to be registered with UKC also. But registering your dogs with APRI just to show them is a big step backwards in my opinion. The parti is already registered with AKC.

OMG are you out of your mind? Partis are AKC registered Yorkshire Terriers, why on earth would anyone try to change that.
The biewers never were registered AKC that is why all the fuss about them.

I am not over joyed becuse I see it as the first step down the wrong road. Thie Biewers took this same path.

I have shown with NAKC and the only time I have registered a dog is to register them to be in a show.. the handler/breeder is registered every year.. this makes them a member and covered under insurance. This I believe started about 2 years ago.. maybe wrong on the exact date on that.. but to my knowledge.. the dogs are not registered other than show entry.

Hope that helps clear it up

Diana :animal-pa

I am curious to know if you have registered your dogs with APRI and show them in the APRI shows?

There are people who just want to breed and make a buck period. If one does not truly see the huge opportunity this will bring to the parti yorkie and the breeders who want to validate their dogs it is sad.

Nope not out opf my mind. Just worried that this might be the wrong path.

Sorry I'm just not thrilled with this. Impatience causes people to take short cuts and shortcuts can lead to trouble.

You are all thrilled and that is great. I however do not see it as a good move.

No mine are not registered APRI. well actually one is. But I do not show.

What is sad is that so many of you cannot see the possible pitfalls in this.

So it is the handler that has to be registered and not the dog? Yes that does clear that up.

Well if you are waiting around for the YTCA to openly invite the parti yorkshire terrier into the ring as a variety of their breed you will be waiting for a very long time! They have already taken the step to add certain color DQ into the yorkshire terrier standard because of the biewer, parti colored yorkie and all the other colors being bred. I do believe the parti colored yorkshire terrier should be a variety, but I do not believe in the chocolate, gold and whatever else some breeders have come up with.

You are correct...this is America...you have a right to your opinion. And I will respect that.

But I for one am grateful for all the research and hard work Debbie and the PYTC put forth to get this accomplished. And they are not done...there are other venues out there they are working on and hopefully we will have even more places to show the parti in the future.
The parti has been AKC registered for 10 years now. This was the first step since they were registered that helps in legitimizing the parti yorkie as something more then just a money maker for BYB's. I for one am thrilled about that!

Actually.. I see exactly where you are going with this, and yes.. I do see the pitfalls. Let's hope that people have learned by past mistakes.

Mr. Biewer wanted to show his tri colored yorkies as yorkies.. he was not allowed to do so BUT they said.. you can make a standard.. call them something else.. THEN you can show them.. so.. that's what he did.. WALLA.. new breed. Instead of insisting they were a color variation of the yorkie.. which they are and which a Parti is.. he went with the "new breed" I'll show and get it out there.

So.. now we have the Biewer being it's OWN breed.. I can see your concerns. Some of us have been fighting that battle for years. However, I don't believe the chances of the same thing happening now with the Parti's are as great.. more people are aware of what's going on.. they have already been AKC accepted, DNA testing has proven the lineage and we now have much better forms of communication then was available back in Germany some 30 odd years ago..

So.. even though I see your point and WISH people would all just get on board with the idea these are ALL the same dogs.. most people just AREN'T there yet. I see the change coming slowly.. little by little as more people open up their minds, start to THINK and look at what's going on instead of just bury their heads. (sorry.. she jumps off her soap box) I think we take what we've been given and introduce the rest of the world to these beautiful dogs.. hold tight to our beliefs that these are a variant color of a yorkie and keep our goals in mind in all we do. The more people are exposed, the more questions they ask, the more they learn, the more they think.. the closer we get.

Diana :animal-pa