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mommadog1 04-03-2010 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by red98vett (Post 3068266)
Natt - you're placing way too many expectations on a tiny puppy who is way too young to even come close to what you want him to be like....

he's just been born - these small ones are nothing like larger breeds - the same things just don't apply.

Please don't be frustrated when he's being crated 9 straight hours and has accidents - They have tiny systems and it's going to take a long time to train him since he's alone so much.....

Is anyone really surprised by all of this with this OP? I have a ton to say. I wont though. I do not know why i even read this thread. Should not have clicked on it

Zeus08 04-03-2010 09:19 AM

Have patience. This phase will pass and you are going to long for the days when he was a puppy. Just like babies we all wish they would grow up and when they do we want them to be babies again. Never happy are we?

I was with Zeus constantly and if he was out of his pen my eyes were glued to him to watch his body language. As soon as he ate I took him out to potty. Every hour or so I took him out. When I couldn't watch him he was in his crate or pen. He caught on real fast but it was a lot of work. I also kept him out of all bedrooms and bathrooms only allowing him the living room and kitchen. He didn't get full run of the house until he was 100% trained.

Enjoy him as he learns this is the best part!

RoxyLuv 04-03-2010 11:17 AM

Love & companionship is something that you earn. It happens over a period of time. Good luck with him.

NatNatt 04-03-2010 01:07 PM

Yup! Thats why Im on here so I can get advice because I am a new mother to a dog. I am a loving person and will do anything for something or someone I love. If running is bad then of course I wont do it anymore. If him being outside is not good then of course I wont bring him back outside anymore. Im not sick minded and want to hurt him. I want the best for him. I think people on here think Im sick twisted minded person...Im not. I want the best for my baby....and Ill do whatever it takes to raise him right.

red98vett 04-03-2010 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NatNatt (Post 3068599)
Yup! Thats why Im on here so I can get advice because I am a new mother to a dog. I am a loving person and will do anything for something or someone I love. If running is bad then of course I wont do it anymore. If him being outside is not good then of course I wont bring him back outside anymore. Im not sick minded and want to hurt him. I want the best for him. I think people on here think Im sick twisted minded person...Im not. I want the best for my baby....and Ill do whatever it takes to raise him right.

:thumbup: there you go - this is your first dog and a tiny breed - it's lots of work and they're not the same as bigger breeds as you're finding out ....so just take what people say and apply what works best while keeping in mind how small and young he is

anevarez 04-03-2010 01:17 PM

Puppies take ALOT of work... you can't stick them in a kennel or playpen and expect them to pick up potty training one day. You have to socialize them, make them trust you, use positive reinforcement and then they will get it. I had a very hard time with puppies when I worked. I would come home for lunch and not get to eat because I was taking the dogs out to go potty. Is your puppy confined to a small space while you are out? If not, do so - but as soon as you get home take him out. Do you take him to potty after each meal or in regular intervals? It does take work... but it can be done! Good luck.

DerbyLayne 04-03-2010 03:00 PM

I did not read the entire 5 pages.

all I have to say is your little one is SO TINY that it will need to go potty VERY often, and potty training any puppy TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND PATIENCE.

Hang in there! i know it's frustrating! The first 2 night we brought derby home he whined so much I didn't get any sleep and wanted to throw him out the window!! when he was pissing and pooping everywhere I thought, when will this end? When he pooped/diareah and puked all over himself and everything else, I told my husband "hey i told you i was a cat person!". Derby was my first dog that I cared for, but I'll tell you what. I WAS THE ONE CLEANING UP AFTER HIM WHEN HE WAS SICK. Not my husband! I want to be a mother sooner than later (I'm 30!) and the instincts just kick in, you know? You think these bad things when the kids are babies, but when you put in the effort you are SO PROUD! when are catchin' on to things! I am a proud Yorkie mother.

I could never imagine my life without Derby.

The baby stage does wear on you, but it's all worth it in the end :) trust me!!!

It'll get better

LuvMyPuppE 04-03-2010 03:14 PM

you know you can use a clock that ticks to mimic a heartbeat?

i tried that with my dog - wrapped it up in a pillow case and put it under a blanket. i don't know if it works or not, but it couldn't hurt anything - and i had one just lying around.

DvlshAngel985 04-03-2010 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NatNatt (Post 3068599)
Yup! Thats why Im on here so I can get advice because I am a new mother to a dog. I am a loving person and will do anything for something or someone I love. If running is bad then of course I wont do it anymore. If him being outside is not good then of course I wont bring him back outside anymore. Im not sick minded and want to hurt him. I want the best for him. I think people on here think Im sick twisted minded person...Im not. I want the best for my baby....and Ill do whatever it takes to raise him right.

I think you got the reaction you did because on the threads before your DJ came home the topics of him being outside before being completely immunized were covered, as well as many many other topics like you teaching him to socialize and play properly and on and on and on. I know we threw a TON of info at you and you felt overwhelmed and attacked, but it makes us feel ignored and you keep asking about the same thing over and over. He's little, and even if he already had two rounds of shots at his age it's not even beneficial (paraphrasing something one of our respected breeders said) and it's almost like you have to start over. I second the comment that if you have not already done so, go back to your old threads and re-read the information posted. Skip anything that was a straight up attack to you (I wouldn't read it either if it was directed to me) and focus on the information. Unblock anyone on your block list because if I remember correctly, you blocked most of our most knowledgeable members.

JeanieK 04-03-2010 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by maybeiloveyou (Post 3068317)
It's not rewarding, it's redirecting the biting. Like, "biting me is not okay, but biting this toy is." I can see how it would be interpreted differently though.

I believe dogs know this. If your dog did not know what makes you happy/upset - why does s/he hide when doing some behaviors? Why do dogs look guilty sometimes? They know what behaviors make you happy and what behaviors don't. It's the same reasoning behind positive reinforcement - if the dog knows it will make you happy, he will do it, if he knows it will make you unhappy, he won't do it.

The dog sees it, as a a result of his action. I bit her she gave me a treat.
So when I wnt another trat I will bite again.

They look, guilty because they know that you are going to yell but they have no idea why. They sense when you are upset, you do not have to say or do a thing. But they don't know why. Because you are not communicating the message to them.

Dogs do not do things to spite you or plot against you. that is ridiculous. Dogs want to please. They are not vengeful. they act and they react period. These are dogs, they do not think like humans. They are not out to punish us or get even with us. Thank God because we would all be in trouble if they did.

And your last statement was a total contradictlon to the point you are trying to make.
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- if the dog knows it will make you happy, he will do it, if he knows it will make you unhappy, he won't do it.

BellaDonna 04-03-2010 06:43 PM

I am a new yorkie owner but long time dog owner. I am also an older woman and I have made many mistakes with dogs in my lifetime. I should never have tried to have a puppy and children at the same time!
They are both lots of work and responsibility.

My main advice to you is patience. Watch every episode of the Dog Whisperer you can and remember if your dog has issues it is always your fault! Tough to know but it is true.

In the end if you find you don't have the patience to give DJ the best life he can have and if you begin to realize he wasn't the best choice for you, don't be afraid to admit it and make the best choice and rehome him.
I am not saying you should do this I am just saying please keep an open mind and know if this is best.
If you are young you have many years ahead of you and maybe now just wasn't the time for a small breed puppy or a puppy at all.
No matter what you decide I wish you and DJ the best of luck.

DvlshAngel985 04-03-2010 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BellaDonna (Post 3069036)
I am a new yorkie owner but long time dog owner. I am also an older woman and I have made many mistakes with dogs in my lifetime. I should never have tried to have a puppy and children at the same time!
They are both lots of work and responsibility.

My main advice to you is patience. Watch every episode of the Dog Whisperer you can and remember if your dog has issues it is always your fault! Tough to know but it is true.

In the end if you find you don't have the patience to give DJ the best life he can have and if you begin to realize he wasn't the best choice for you, don't be afraid to admit it and make the best choice and rehome him.
I am not saying you should do this I am just saying please keep an open mind and know if this is best.
If you are young you have many years ahead of you and maybe now just wasn't the time for a small breed puppy or a puppy at all.
No matter what you decide I wish you and DJ the best of luck.

This really is good sound advice. I researched the Yorkshire Terrier breed for 5 years before I even considered a real purchase. My last year of researching I found this site and it turned all the ideas and conclusions of yorkies I had made upside down. Everything I thought I knew was wrong, and not just because one person, or two people or even 20 said it. I never took everything they said at face value at first, I looked into it. When people like Mardelin starting putting supporting facts, articles, websites to back up what she was saying, that's when I started to respect her and this site. She wasn't typing just to type and inflate her ego, she typed because she knew and cared. That's when I finally really looked into YTCA and the AKC.

NatNatt- if you don't believe what you read on this site, it is your right to question it. Ask for supporting information and you come to a conclusion yourself. Vets went to school to learn general knowledge of many different species of animals. Some specialized some went into general practice. But when it comes to a particular breed, some know nothing at all, that's when you turn to well known, respected breeders who have studied this breed for years, studied under mentors who did the same so knowledge and advances have been passed on from generation to generation of careful well thought out breedings.

NatNatt 04-04-2010 03:43 AM

I have DVR and have recorded all of dog whispers. I find it very intresting....I wish I could see a yorkie one because the ones Ive seen so far are big aggressive breeds that wanna fight. I def dont have that problem with my pup

NatNatt 04-04-2010 03:46 AM

and for those who think I am young and dumb...you have no idea. I have a college degree, getting married in 6 months and dont have any kids and dont plan on having then for awhille. And def not in my young 20s....so please dont judge...because you have no idea who you are talking to behind a screen

topknot 04-04-2010 03:57 AM

Have you ever had a dog as an adult before? Just curious then. I was breeding (to nice champions) and showing yorkies in my early twentys. So I am just having a hard time understanding why you make the decisions you have made. Not saying bad of you - just food for thought for others why it is so important to research before buying, research the breed well, and make careful decisions to not put a dog in harms way. These babies are so young and depend on us so much to protect them.

NatNatt 04-04-2010 04:01 AM

no....I have posted before this is my first dog. I have had cats but cats are totally different and THIIS IS WHY IM HERE....because I want advice because it is my first pup!

topknot 04-04-2010 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by NatNatt (Post 3069309)
no....I have posted before this is my first dog. I have had cats but cats are totally different and THIIS IS WHY IM HERE....because I want advice because it is my first pup!

Okay, that explains it. I somehow missed your post about it being your first dog. Remember this is a dog too and not a real baby, even though shhhhh.. we think they are our babies. There are some great book out there... yes, reading. But there are actually better books out there than DVDs on training and raising a puppy. I like the book and no pun intended, Yorkies For Dummies" - http://www.amazon.com/Yorkshire-Terr...der_0764568809 . It is basic and cuts to the chase. But this is just the first book you could get and it is easy reading. The better one is The Complete Yorkshire Terrier, by Gordon and Bennett. And then A New Owner's Guide to Yorkshire Terriers by Janet Jackson.

red98vett 04-04-2010 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by NatNatt (Post 3069309)
no....I have posted before this is my first dog. I have had cats but cats are totally different and THIIS IS WHY IM HERE....because I want advice because it is my first pup!

Once you weed thru the tons of replies you get - you're getting some good advise - people really are here to help...

I hate to repeat myself but don't expect things to happen overnight and don't push him to do things you want - he's just too young

lots of these guys can take up to 1 year or more to train and some really never do - It's hard to have a yorkie puppy while working full time.

I was lucky .....one trained in 2 weeks - and Cheri my youngest took 11 months.....that was years ago before I started working full time - so you never know. You just have to do what works for you and be consistent

BellaDonna 04-04-2010 05:10 AM

I don't have any idea how old you are, most of us probably guess that your young because of your questions and lack of experience with dogs. By the time people are in their 30's they usually have some experience but your age isn't important to me.

Your statement on not being able to get info from the Dog Whisperer doesn't make sense to me. A dog is a dog first and foremost. Yes there are some things that differ from small breeds to large breeds but all in all they are a species and even though I have only Chihuahua's and Yorkies I have learned a ton from that show. You should be able to pick up many helpful nuggets in training there.

My point to you in my post was to be open and honest with yourself and your feelings and decide if a tiny puppy is the right thing for you at this point in your life. From what you said about getting married in a few months it may be that a dog isn't right for you right now. What happens to the dog when you go on a honeymoon? Once married will you still have the time and inclination to give time to the dog? These are just concerns and none of us can know what is in your heart but if you already are feeling stressed by this cute puppy, what are you going to be like when it is a matted ball of hair that needs medical attention or training?

You have another post going about running and running with DJ. My opinion on that is that as a runner you would probably be better off with a larger dog that could challenge you as a runner and keep up with you. A tiny puppy like DJ should not be asked to run a mile trying to keep up with you right now. Of course this is just my opinion but I assume you want opinions and suggestions or you wouldn't ask.

If you ever decide to re-home DJ there are other ways of being around dogs and learning all about them before you get another one. I use to volunteer at the Humane Society. I did lots of cleaning, walking, and even overnight visits. That way you help a homeless dog and also learn about all sorts of dogs and dog issues. I bet your humane society would be happy to let you come out and take a larger dog for a nice run.

Like I said before I want the best for DJ and the best thing for DJ is that you know and recognize what is the best thing for both of you.

DerbyLayne 04-04-2010 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by topknot (Post 3069307)
Have you ever had a dog as an adult before? Just curious then. I was breeding (to nice champions) and showing yorkies in my early twentys. So I am just having a hard time understanding why you make the decisions you have made. Not saying bad of you - just food for thought for others why it is so important to research before buying, research the breed well, and make careful decisions to not put a dog in harms way. These babies are so young and depend on us so much to protect them.

While I think the OP doesn't have much common sense when it comes to caring for a small puppy, I do want to say that sometimes- without any experience (or positive experience) with dogs - people can be loving parents to Yorkies.

I was very honest about to the OP about what my feelings were in the few nights of being a new puppy mom. It was hell, I'm not going to lie but with experience you get better.

This site has helped me so much, and I think NatNAtt should be very greatful for the positive feedback.

red98vett 04-04-2010 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DerbyLayne (Post 3069458)
While I think the OP doesn't have much common sense when it comes to caring for a small puppy, I do want to say that sometimes- without any experience (or positive experience) with dogs - people can be loving parents to Yorkies.

I was very honest about to the OP about what my feelings were in the few nights of being a new puppy mom. It was hell, I'm not going to lie but with experience you get better.

This site has helped me so much, and I think NatNAtt should be very greatful for the positive feedback.

awww - shows every one is different :):) I LOVED those days and hardly slept but in a good way -

My husband and I had a cocker spaniel together (Tessa) and while she was tiny when we got her - she was way easier to train (cept for the chewing)

My Chanel trained in 2 weeks - Cheri 11 months but still - there's nothing like a new puppy in the house.....I wouldn't trade the first weeks for anything....loved it....and I do miss it

DerbyLayne 04-04-2010 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by red98vett (Post 3069467)
awww - shows every one is different :):) I LOVED those days and hardly slept but in a good way -

I miss how cute and small Derby was as a puppy, but I do not miss the incessant whining and crying at night, taking him outside to pee every 3-4 hours, or cleaning up the accidents in his bed/crate, or the issues walking him, and I have never forgotten the smell of dog puke and diareah or him chewing up everything... I think I was most scared when he got his first cold, and I thought he was dying. I was crying. My husband was trying to comfort me, but I was mess. I was up everytime he sneezed or that sound of the choking when he reversed sneezed. IT scared the crap out of me!

He's still technically a puppy at 9 months old, but he's an older puppy now. He sleeps through the night. He doesn't have accidents, and he lets me know when he as to go out ... Now my biggest worry is getting him to listen to me, because he listens to my husband and basically laughs in my face. When I am out with him, people look at me like I Can't control my own dog! it's embarassing. It's getting better though.

I'm just being honest, because some of us have a really hard time with the puppy stage. I found it really challenging, but you stick with it- you learn as you go- and it gets better.

I guess I'm lucky because I am very cautious. I came to Yorkietalk for all my answers before I did anything! I would never think of pushing him too far before YT gave me the a-ok. :p I'm so paranoid of killing my dog or something. lol

This board is so knowledgeable, why would I go to anyone else??

red98vett 04-04-2010 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DerbyLayne (Post 3069484)
I miss how cute and small Derby was as a puppy, but I do not miss the incessant whining and crying at night, taking him outside to pee every 3-4 hours, or cleaning up the accidents in his bed/crate, or the issues walking him, and I have never forgotten the smell of dog puke and diareah or him chewing up everything... I think I was most scared when he got his first cold, and I thought he was dying. I was crying. My husband was trying to comfort me, but I was mess. I was up everytime he sneezed or that sound of the choking when he reversed sneezed. IT scared the crap out of me!

He's still technically a puppy at 9 months old, but he's an older puppy now. He sleeps through the night. He doesn't have accidents, and he lets me know when he as to go out ... Now my biggest worry is getting him to listen to me, because he listens to my husband and basically laughs in my face. When I am out with him, people look at me like I Can't control my own dog! it's embarassing. It's getting better though.

I'm just being honest, because some of us have a really hard time with the puppy stage. I found it really challenging, but you stick with it- you learn as you go- and it gets better.

I guess I'm lucky because I am very cautious. I came to Yorkietalk for all my answers before I did anything! I would never think of pushing him too far before YT gave me the a-ok. :p I'm so paranoid of killing my dog or something. lol

This board is so knowledgeable, why would I go to anyone else??

Man I relate so much to that reverse sneezing - I still remember that first time and thought Chanel was choking and could die - I was in tears - called my vet asap and learned how to control it - you just reminded me of the not so fun stuff

DerbyLayne 04-04-2010 07:51 AM

ps.

I can't imagine being the new mom to a 1 pound dog. I think I would cry every single day, because I would be so scared of causing it harm. I would never let him/her go. I would treat it like a premature infant. I'd be at the vets constantly worrying about something.

I am really thankful that Derby is the size that he is, and although we never expected him to be 12 pounds? I am thankful that he is as sturdy and strong as he is. It reassures me that he is ok.

I remember when he was smaller and I was scared he would break his legs getting on and off the couch.

DerbyLayne 04-04-2010 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by red98vett (Post 3069492)
Man I relate so much to that reverse sneezing - I still remember that first time and thought Chanel was choking and could die - I was in tears - called my vet asap and learned how to control it - you just reminded me of the not so fun stuff

:) I have a feeling I am going to be an overprotective/anxious mother and will be just as anxious until my human baby is like 4-5 months old.

I was born at 1 pound 5 ounces, and I can't imagine what my mom was going through worrying about me.

Mardelin 04-04-2010 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DerbyLayne (Post 3069498)
:) I have a feeling I am going to be an overprotective/anxious mother and will be just as anxious until my human baby is like 4-5 months old.

I was born at 1 pound 5 ounces, and I can't imagine what my mom was going through worrying about me.

Oh dear. My last litter I had a 2 oz pup born......I panicked then, I can imagine having a human baby born weighing less than that.

JeanieK 04-05-2010 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3069502)
Oh dear. My last litter I had a 2 oz pup born......I panicked then, I can imagine having a human baby born weighing less than that.

She is talking pounds not ounces.

But that is still extremely small for a human baby. I can't imagine.

That is smaller than NatNats puppy.


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