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ARCHIE 03-17-2010 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3044091)
He is not doing it with strangers...only his family!


OMG I got the two threads somehow mixed up. I keep switching from work
to YT and I was just reading a thread on biting and guess I jumped to
the wrong thread and posted. Sorry,

ladyjane 03-17-2010 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ARCHIE (Post 3044101)
OMG I got the two threads somehow mixed up. I keep switching from work
to YT and I was just reading a thread on biting and guess I jumped to
the wrong thread and posted. Sorry,

That is so easy to do! No reason to be sorry!!

ladyjane 03-17-2010 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkieusa (Post 3044099)
I agree with you both. It isn't punishment, but discipline. Ladyjane, you got me laughing about your doggie!:D

They get past this stage fairly quickly, though. Maybe it is like the terrible 3's.:D

I thought of something I wanted to add. To me, it's like they just get more excited and more excited until they are out of control and a time-out or whatever breaks that cycle. It's like they have tunnel-vision and see nothing else.

Oh trust me, for the first couple of days I was questioning my sanity in agreeing to work with him. He was wild! There was definitely no picking him up and taking him to his crate or any place for that matter. :p
Someone suggested cornering him with the crate and I honestly did not want to do that thinking it would instill more fear, but I had no choice if I wanted to gain control.

Roccosmommy 03-17-2010 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3044107)
Oh trust me, for the first couple of days I was questioning my sanity in agreeing to work with him. He was wild! There was definitely no picking him up and taking him to his crate or any place for that matter. :p
Someone suggested cornering him with the crate and I honestly did not want to do that thinking it would instill more fear, but I had no choice if I wanted to gain control.
OK, I feel just a little better now. I can at least pick up Rocco and put him in his crate, so I'm sure he's not the toughest little devil out there! So glad for all of the help here, really. And I'm not ignorant to dogs, just this breed. I owned a German Shorthaired Pointer (brilliant, loyal, and the love of my life!) and decided the Yorkie fits our home and lifestyle better now. Never thought a 3-month old could test me to this extent though ;)

yorkieusa 03-17-2010 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Roccosmommy (Post 3044119)
OK, I feel just a little better now. I can at least pick up Rocco and put him in his crate, so I'm sure he's not the toughest little devil out there! So glad for all of the help here, really. And I'm not ignorant to dogs, just this breed. I owned a German Shorthaired Pointer (brilliant, loyal, and the love of my life!) and decided the Yorkie fits our home and lifestyle better now. Never thought a 3-month old could test me to this extent though ;)
Now you know better!:D My problem with my present yorkie was digging up her fenced yard! It looked like I had moles!

Marie 1 03-17-2010 12:44 PM
Penny was into that biting thing. She is now 9months and seldom bites. If she does it is play but very careful. We would loudly and firmly say NO. If she would not behave then into her playpen for Mommy and Daddy time out. Yes, when we could not take any more then into her playpen. When she came out she was fine and all is well. I think it takes time and a lot of NOs.

joeyandtanksmom 03-17-2010 08:00 PM
First off, be VERY consistent...Pop him on the nose (flick, smack with one finger, etc), and say "no!" very sternly, almost shouting. You could also flip him onto his back and put yourself over him, maybe even growl at him...that's totally what I would do. I've never had an issue with biting aggressively, but I have used the method of "I'm the boss, you are not. You will do what I say" when it came to barking or not wanting to give me a toy or something...it worked very well. I never injured either of my boys, but they are very well behaved (99.8% of the time, haha).

Not everyone is a fan of the training methods I chose to use, and I completely understand that. I am in no way telling you that you must do those things, that's just what I would do in your position. Each person is allowed to choose how they will raise their pups, and that's just what I chose for mine.

I wish you the best of luck!

trin7 03-18-2010 02:05 AM
A spray bottle worked great for us. Our little guy is really gentle now - good luck.:)

tator 03-18-2010 03:14 AM
I agree
 
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Originally Posted by marcerella02 (Post 3044022)
first- welcome :)

second- i'm willing to bet the issue is due to how very early he went home. Yorkies should not go home before 12 weeks- 10 at the earliest. He needed to learn "manners" from his littermates. So now it is up to you to tell him that what he is doing is not ok.

I think what is important is that you choose a method and stick with it- bouncing from method to method is goign to confuse him. When layla was little i decided that what was going to work for us was to flip her on her back (forcing submission) and not letting her go until she was calm and not fighting to get away. Here you are mimicking an alpha dog. However, it is essential that you do not let him up until he has submitted to you by resisting being on his back- this could be minutes long- but if you were to let him up before this- he wins- and you've accomplished nothing. I also used to stare into layla's eyes when i did this- to show her i was in control.

Whatever method you choose (i feel the ones that mimic other dogs are the best- ie- the "bite" with your hands on the back of their neck- or flipping them on their back) stick with it.
i tried many things ,crate ,timeout and more ,did'nt work .the crate realy did'nt work ,maybe because he loves is crate i don't know. I started snaping back at him putting my mouth on the hair on the side of his face and pulling a little ,and now i think he is thinking bitting is'nt as fun anymore .it's working for me .ps i had a gash in my lip and one on my hand somthing had to give.

ladyjane 03-18-2010 04:10 AM
Just like hitting a child teaches them to hit others; I believe that being rough with a pupster will teach him to bite those under him. How else do they protect themselves? Maybe if you are rough enough, they might fear you and not bite; but I seriously doubt they will fear others. They will have learned from you that being rough with someone/something under them is appropriate.
Just my thoughts. I feel just awful when I hear some of the negative training methods that people employ.

Roccosmommy 03-18-2010 05:22 AM
Thank you - I'll keep you updated
 
:) Thanks so much for all of the feedback. I have tried most of the methods you suggested, with limited results (except for the hitting). My chosen method right now will be the crate "timeout", since I need Rocco to understand biting is just not acceptable to any human. I bet some of the other methods would work for me if I was consistent, but I'm not sure they're reasonable or appropriate for my kids to use. Just because they're not THE alpha dog doesn't mean it's ok for him to bite them. And for the record, he is mostly a silly, loving puppy...and just look at that FACE! Thank you again!!

Roccosmommy 03-18-2010 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by trin7 (Post 3044887)
A spray bottle worked great for us. Our little guy is really gentle now - good luck.:)
I haven't tried that yet, but will definitely keep it in mind. BTW, what a little CUTIE you have! :D

ladyjane 03-18-2010 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Roccosmommy (Post 3044987)
:) Thanks so much for all of the feedback. I have tried most of the methods you suggested, with limited results (except for the hitting). My chosen method right now will be the crate "timeout", since I need Rocco to understand biting is just not acceptable to any human. I bet some of the other methods would work for me if I was consistent, but I'm not sure they're reasonable or appropriate for my kids to use. Just because they're not THE alpha dog doesn't mean it's ok for him to bite them. And for the record, he is mostly a silly, loving puppy...and just look at that FACE! Thank you again!!
:) He is indeed a darling little guy! Good luck....keep us posted on his progress!

trin7 03-18-2010 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Roccosmommy (Post 3044988)
I haven't tried that yet, but will definitely keep it in mind. BTW, what a little CUTIE you have! :D
Thanks - we are in love!! Yours is adorable too!:)

Roccosmommy 04-07-2010 07:50 AM
Update: It's working!!
 
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Originally Posted by Roccosmommy (Post 3044987)
:) Thanks so much for all of the feedback. I have tried most of the methods you suggested, with limited results (except for the hitting). My chosen method right now will be the crate "timeout", since I need Rocco to understand biting is just not acceptable to any human. I bet some of the other methods would work for me if I was consistent, but I'm not sure they're reasonable or appropriate for my kids to use. Just because they're not THE alpha dog doesn't mean it's ok for him to bite them. And for the record, he is mostly a silly, loving puppy...and just look at that FACE! Thank you again!!
:D I'm soooo happy and relieved to report that the crate timeouts have been working. Progress has been slow but steady. My kids even commented how much better Rocco has been in the past week or so. We have been very consistent with it, and made sure we all did it the same way every time: There was a verbal warning of "no bite" with an offer of a toy instead. If he continued, he was gently put into his crate with the words "no bite". After 1-2 minutes he is let out quietly with NO words said. Finally getting to enjoy play time without all the teeth :p !


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