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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 3043976)

The standards were written over 100 years ago - back in the day when recessive genes were not understood like they are today.

Our constitution was written over 200 years ago. Does that mean we don't have to follow it anymore? :confused:

Our constitution is a "living" document.. the basis of it is strong and solid.. BUT.. there are always challenges to it.. discussions about it and changes made to it.. (ammendments).. History is good and valuable.. but today is history tomorrow. You can't stop advancing and hang your hat only on past accomplishments.. there would be no growth. We wouldn't have a constitution at all it we all had believed that way.

When you learn something new.. you aren't suggesting not to take that newly aquired knowledge and apply it are you??? That's like saying "the earth is flat.. it's always going to be flat."

If we learn something new and STILL some of you say ... OK.. we're still going with "the earth is flat".. OK.. then, you've made that choice, it's a good choice, a valuable one and your happy with it. So be it .. but, that doesn't mean there won't be some of us out there sailing AROUND, because we can make choices too.

-Diana :animal-pa

No it doesn't ,But there sure have been plenty of Amendments to the Constitution of the United States

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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3046263)

No it doesn't ,But there sure have been plenty of Amendments to the Constitution of the United States

Some of you seem to be implying that the standard has never changed in a hundred years. The standard does change, but it changes slowly, and safety should always be considered first, instead of public whims. The mother clubs first and primary duty is PROTECTION of the breed. A good breeder's goal should not be to bring more variety in the breed, what's the point of purebreds if you are doing that?

It looks like the standard was "amended" in 2007. Here's what the YTCA has to say about it.

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Disqualification
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Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension.
Approved July 10, 2007
Effective Oct. 1, 2007

The Disqualification reads as follows:
Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as
described above.
Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest
that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension.
.

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DIRECTIVE;
The new Disqualification is an ADDITION to the Yorkshire Terrier
Breed Standard. It is there to disqualify Yorkshire Terriers with
colors OTHER THAN those as described in our Breed Standard. The
American Kennel Club is registering parti-colors, solid colors, and
chocolate and tan dogs as Yorkshire Terriers even though they do not
meet our Breed Standard as written. AKC will not deny registration on
color alone. These dogs have been shown at AKC matches and non-AKC
events. Immature dogs not having a totally clear tan or immature dogs
that are not yet totally blue are acceptable under our Breed Standard
and should NOT be disqualified. To do so would be a misinterpretation
of the Disqualification AND of the Breed Standard.
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The Yorkshire Terrier whose coat is of prime importance has a slow
metamorphosis from the black and tan puppy to the blue and tan adult.
Some of these dogs take three or more years for their coat to mature;
therefore our YTCA Members chose NOT to specify an age for color
maturity. Only dogs of solid color, unusual combination of colors,
and parti-colors should be disqualified.
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In summary:
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DISQUALIFY
„X Solid color dogs such as a solid color gold or solid color chocolate
„X A chocolate and tan dog or other unusual combination of colors
„X A white dog with black and tan markings (parti-color)
.
DO NOT DISQUALIFY
„X Puppies, Class dogs and young Champions whose tan has not yet
totally cleared. This is typically seen around the head area where
thumb prints may exist. Young Puppies may still have an intermingling
of black hair in the tan.
„X Puppies and young adults whose black body coat has not yet totally
turned to blue.
„X A dog that has a small white spot not to exceed 1 inch on the fore-
chest.

A Blueprint or Guide (Illustrated Discussion) as to what the Parent
Club considers to be the correct Yorkshire Terrier can be obtained by
contacting the club secretary. owen@kvnet.org Yorkshire Terrier Club of America Official Breed Standard

We all know that just belonging to the YTCA and adhering to the standard does not necessarily make a person a good breeder.

There are bad show breeders and there are bad hobby breeders. Most of the genetic issues that show dogs (of any breed) have is due to show breeders inbreeding dogs with known problems. But as long as they looked good in the ring those issues were overlooked.

Chosing to breed dogs of a different color that is naturally occuring in the breed, does not make one a bad breeder.

The standards have changed over the years, as peoples preferences have changed, but the change did not come easy. Some breeder had to breed the (out of standard) dogs before the the standard changed. And I am sure they were given a lot of grief for doing it.

When the parti color yorkies become more popular than the traditional colored yorkies, the standard will change to include them.

Many other breeds have more than one color category in their standard. Someone has to be brave enough to step outside of the box. The world would be very boring without change.

Honestly, I do believe that Nancy can smell the word Parti and tracks it just like a bloodhound to post about them being non standard.

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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3047151)

We all know that just belonging to the YTCA and adhering to the standard does not necessarily make a person a good breeder.

There are bad show breeders and there are bad hobby breeders. Most of the genetic issues that show dogs (of any breed) have is due to show breeders inbreeding dogs with known problems. But as long as they looked good in the ring those issues were overlooked.

Chosing to breed dogs of a different color that is naturally occuring in the breed, does not make one a bad breeder.

The standards have changed over the years, as peoples preferences have changed, but the change did not come easy. Some breeder had to breed the (out of standard) dogs before the the standard changed. And I am sure they were given a lot of grief for doing it.

When the parti color yorkies become more popular than the traditional colored yorkies, the standard will change to include them.
Many other breeds have more than one color category in their standard. Someone has to be brave enough to step outside of the box. The world would be very boring without change.

I think many of you do not understand that the purpose of the breed club is to protect the standard, and YTCA breeders SHOULD NOT be interested in what's popular with the pet buyer. True breed enthusiasts will support those breeders who breed to standard, and there will always those who breed to supply pets. I think you give a good reason why standard should not change, just for "looks".

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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3047157)

Honestly, I do believe that Nancy can smell the word Parti and tracks it just like a bloodhound to post about them being non standard.

If you would read other threads besides the parti threads, you would see I post elsewhere too. I am an advocate for good breeding.

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Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 3046140)

I daresay there maybe some who think they can get rich quick selling traditional yorkies too and we all know that is not the case either.. anyone who has been breeding dogs only HOPES to come out close to even.. I've been breeding the Biewers for 5 years.. it hasn't happened yet and guess what.. I got in on the ground floor.. I'm here to shout it out loudly and clearly YOU ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE BIG MONEY!!! You are going to loose friends, you are going to have to pull up carpet and replace furniture.. your house is going to be filled with x-pens and air purifiers.. bleach and paper towels.. you will not be able to go on vacation or sleep past 6:30 and your children and husband (if he stays) will think your NUTS! .. they maybe right.

MOST Biewer breeders and Parti breeders are every bit as responsible and respectable and reputable as the above poster! They breed with just as just heart and care and dedication.. they breed for ALL of the things she breeds for .. the health, the personality, the ear set, the tail set, the top line, the size.. the movement .. AND we have the added challenge of color placement along with correct texture.. believe me, this is a constant battle.. can you imagine the total joy when it finally looks like you get all of those things RIGHT!! It's the SAME joy you feel when it happens to you.

Why would you .. how could you cheapen what we do compared to what you do?

We are doing the same thing you are doing.. we are breeding for the same exact things.. looking for the same exact things.. the only diffence is the coat color..

Unless my dogs are going to a personal friend or club member on a contract, I neuter EVERY male before he leaves my home.. do you do that? EVERY female goes out on a strict spay contract.. I test EVERY puppy, EVERY parent for LS, liver issues, patella's etc .. do you? I DNA both parents.. we are responsible with our dogs our lines.. our futures!

I'm sorry.. but you have NO right to compare us to Shaklee Salesman. We are no different than you. We are breeders and we take it seriously.

Don't be afraid to open your mind just a bit to different possiblities.. it's OK.

Diana :animal-pa

Excellent post!:good job: