i really really really don't want to start trouble here..but if people do this for greed and basically "stupidity" (lack of a better nicer term) then why are people on here selling them proudly? tell people who have litters of them that they are blessed and so lucky? I mean i am all for giving them a home they deserve the best, but to buy them just to breed more? like i said i am new to this and i just want to be educated on the whys and what not.

The YTCA's information above is describing the health problems of blue born yorkshire terriers (no one should be breeding blue yorkies). Other off colors, do not display the above noted issues. Parti, chocolate and golden yorkies are no more prone to health problems, than the standard colored yorkies are.

okay well that is good to know! i am familiar with boxer white traits and was going to ask that next if color genes carry health problems in yorkies like they do in other breeds like boxers and dobies. i know with dobies as well that hte dilutated have skin issues. (dealt iwth this first hand when i fostered a fawn dobie who was pretty much bald) do you recommend a link on the blues? i am curious as to what they look like?

True, but we should always look at the goal of the breeder, please don't forget this, as it's so important. Is that breeder breeding black into the line to improve something else? Or is that breeder marketing the black coated yorkies as "rare black beauties?" No breeder is breeding the Parti colored dog to improve anything in the line, it's nearly impossible to remove the trait from the line.

Unfortunately, many breeders are on Yorkietalk just to sell dogs, and some even sell their parti colored puppies and carriers and encourage others to breed them. It's a little like a pyramid scheme, get in on the ground floor and you stand to make big money, get in on the top, and you stand to lose your shirts. Either way, it's done for the purpose of selling pets, not to improve the breed.

Not everyone is breeding for greed, and the “stupidity” ;) comes from the uneducated people who either don’t know or care to understand how recessive genes work. If more people would do their own research on the recessive color genes we see in the yorkies, they’d learn that off colors have appeared in our dogs since the beginning of the breed (through various books, news publications and other writings of the late 1800’s and early 1900’s), they’d learn that even well known, old time breeders have produced off colors in their own litters, and they’d learn that the foundation dogs who’s heritage was un-known, who began this breed may have been the “right” color but it’s anyone’s guess as to what recessive color genes they carried.

The standards were written over 100 years ago - back in the day when recessive genes were not understood like they are today. When an off color appeared in a litter then, it was thought that the wrong stud bred the bitch ... Today we know differently because both parents have to carry the off color recessive gene in order for the color to appear.

The recessive color genes have been in some of our dogs since the beginning and because this is the Yorkshire Terrier BREED, and if AKC registers colors other than blue and tan, I feel that the off colors have just as much a right to being a yorkie, as the perfect steel blue and tan yorkies have. Not all of us are out for greed, some of us are actually trying to perfect the parti (or other off color) yorkshire terrier.

And there are many standard yorkie breeders who are on YT just to sell their puppies. Sorry you feel that all parti breeders fall into that category, there are honest people and dishonest people ... it doesn't matter what color yorkie you're talking about (standard or off color).

Go to the Colorful Yorkie Website, there are several links to blue born alopecia :)

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:confused: She didn't say all parti breeders :)

You are right, it very difficult to find a good breeder PERIOD. There may be some Parti breeders who aren't breeding because it's the latest fad, however, I believe that we have more than enough pets available already and breeding should have a purpose. I think breeding should be done only to preserve and improve the breed. If most breeders were able to produce a Yorkie with the proper coat, I might not be so stringent, and think variety in colors would be nice, but truth is very few can produce this coat, it's a difficult coat to achieve even among show breeders. Why add variety, until we have achieved the proper coat? This is where I believe Parti breeders are harming the breed.

I would love any of them but the truth is MARKETING.
If a dog is born and technically its the wrong color, you call it RARE
If it is actually to small to fit standard you call it TeaCup.
That way you can sell it and oddly enough you get more than you would if the dog was perfect in every way.
The trick is to make it seem like something uber special and unique. Human beings are easy to manipulate.

The truth is all creatures have their special qualities that make them perfect for someone.

I daresay there maybe some who think they can get rich quick selling traditional yorkies too and we all know that is not the case either.. anyone who has been breeding dogs only HOPES to come out close to even.. I've been breeding the Biewers for 5 years.. it hasn't happened yet and guess what.. I got in on the ground floor.. I'm here to shout it out loudly and clearly YOU ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE BIG MONEY!!! You are going to loose friends, you are going to have to pull up carpet and replace furniture.. your house is going to be filled with x-pens and air purifiers.. bleach and paper towels.. you will not be able to go on vacation or sleep past 6:30 and your children and husband (if he stays) will think your NUTS! .. they maybe right.

MOST Biewer breeders and Parti breeders are every bit as responsible and respectable and reputable as the above poster! They breed with just as just heart and care and dedication.. they breed for ALL of the things she breeds for .. the health, the personality, the ear set, the tail set, the top line, the size.. the movement .. AND we have the added challenge of color placement along with correct texture.. believe me, this is a constant battle.. can you imagine the total joy when it finally looks like you get all of those things RIGHT!! It's the SAME joy you feel when it happens to you.

Why would you .. how could you cheapen what we do compared to what you do?

We are doing the same thing you are doing.. we are breeding for the same exact things.. looking for the same exact things.. the only diffence is the coat color..

Unless my dogs are going to a personal friend or club member on a contract, I neuter EVERY male before he leaves my home.. do you do that? EVERY female goes out on a strict spay contract.. I test EVERY puppy, EVERY parent for LS, liver issues, patella's etc .. do you? I DNA both parents.. we are responsible with our dogs our lines.. our futures!

I'm sorry.. but you have NO right to compare us to Shaklee Salesman. We are no different than you. We are breeders and we take it seriously.

Don't be afraid to open your mind just a bit to different possiblities.. it's OK.

Diana :animal-pa

AKC most definitely recognizes partis. They have determined that the parti color is a naturally occuring color in the Yorkshire Terrier. They YTCA says the color is a fault so they cannot be shown.

Most yorkies, regardless of color, have a fault and do not qualify for the show ring. The parti colior is just a more obvious fault than other faults.

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You can look at a parti colored yorkie and readily see it's fault. MOST yorkies being bred have faults. They might be the correct color and coat texture but have the wrong eye set or ear set or legs too long or any number of things that are not noticable to the untrained eye.

They might be perfect on the outside but have issues on the inside.

Parti and Biewer breeders have a lot of money invested in their dogs. They take their breeder responsibilities very seriously.

The YTCA sets a standard by which yorkies are judged in the show ring. They did not create the yorkie.