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red98vett 03-18-2010 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by nicholasdale (Post 3045014)
She did call and say" female had slight yeast in her ears but also stated the female was healthy beside this and her vet said this us not uncommon in yorkies". She checked out fine at my vet 3 days prior.

I DO NOTuse my dogs as a income by no means, I am a hobby breeder, I sold this female for far less than what was given for her. I could not even break even for what I have into my dogs. With this said I actually took a huge loss but thought she would have a good home with this family not replaced 2 weeks later. I did offer to help find a good home for her AND SHE WAS POSTED ON PUPPY FIND by the buyer. Also she states she recued this baby, she was being sold for a pet only and was not going to breed because of size, so to stay here and just be bred is far from the truth this is why she was going into a pet home to begin with,

Once again no one is perfect and next time i will be more cautious before letting one of my yorkies leave with a family. U have made many of families happy and it is infortunate but no one can always make everyone happy.

If you're referring to what I said - My post was an observation about how many breeders do regard dogs as income.

As far as the 'living conditions' posted about ....I would think anyone with multiple dogs for sale would be fastidious about their envoirnment. It's such a dis-service to any dog to be living in unclean conditions ...not to mention - detrirmental to their health.

I say this because about 20 years ago we 'bought-rescued' my cocker spaniel Tessa from what I later realized was a small scale mill.

The smell was one reason I ran out of there holding her while my husband paid. I know better now but back then, I didn't and will never forget it.

mothemost 03-18-2010 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by danyellm (Post 3029453)
I am so sorry this has happened to you.This is just another example of why you should see the dogs and their living enviroment .Its disgusting that a breeder would treat their dogs in such a way.I would call aspca ,media and news paper maybe if they apply some pressure she will clean up her act.

I couldn't agree more with this statement. Living environment is the most important factor alongside 'seeing mum and dad'.

My first Yorkie, Mr Callan, came from a pet shop in the most exclusive part of London, Kensington. So 'exclusive' was this shop that we learned the lean way. Callan came from Kensington via Wales ... via a lengthy train journey aged under 8 weeks! :eek: The pet shop had been overcrowded and all the pups stuck together in one pen! Little did we know all those years ago. Callan went through a lifetime of bowel problems, kidney problems, slipped knee cap, overshot jaw ... You name it, he had it. He lived to 13yrs and that was a minor miracle.

My next 2 'boys' came from Wormwood Scrubs Prison :eek::eek: one of the UK's most famous 'house of corrections'. :D This time we saw mum and dad, visited the fantastic home the dogs lived in - all spotlessly clean and tranquil for the best start in a Yorkie's life. Pikey and Ricky Richard lived to over 16yrs.

Teddy and Lenny, my present 2, again came from dubious beginnings. They came to me via a young man I met through a selling newspaper called Loot. Of course I shouldn't have taken on either of them but, with over 30yrs experience behind me, I did. Teddy came via a pet shop in South London and Lenny via a 'dirty old woman in Kent' ... so I was told. :( Yes, you could say that again. The pup was just 8 wks when he was dumped into my mum's arms and he was so ill, he spent the next 24hrs on a drip over at the vet's. He was filthy dirty and half dead. Go to my page and see him now! ;)

I feel so strongly for people who are taken in by bogus breeders and puppy farms. We had a campaign over here in the UK a few years ago to ban these places from the face of the earth ... but still they get through! :mad:

My heart goes out to you. You meant well and you really cared. That's what these criminals play upon.

ckuz13 03-18-2010 10:39 AM

I think anyone who is looking to buy a Yorkshire Terrier needs to invest in a little book called Yorkhire Terrier For Dummies. You need to make sure that the breeder is just as concerned about who you are as you are about him/her. Don't ignore the red flags. When you do..you end up in a situation like this. And I believe every breeder needs to be skilled and knowledgable. A reputable breeder will make deliberate choices, based on dispositon, health and genetic history of the dogs they intend to mate...back yard breeders don't give this much thought. A reputable breeder should never produce more puppies than they can sell..they should have a waiting list of approved homes. Take your time and be smart and there is always rescue..Peace~

Dixies Mom 03-18-2010 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dana2657 (Post 3044938)
Well i can understand if you are being accused unjustly but, but i have one question and im just asking not making accusations, have you contacted your customers that had complaints and tried to make any resolutions. I understand things can happen, but if someone can prove a puppy was ill when it left your establishment, do you work with them to help offset vet costs? Seems like any breeder works with their customers to come to amicable agreements for not only your businesses reputation but most importantly the health and well being of the puppy.

I used several different avenues to try and resolve my issues with Ms. Ledbetter as to the breeding male and female I purchased from her for my program. Ms. Ledbetter refused to take responsibity for what she has done to me and the last resolution will be in a court hearing on April 1st.

Tessa Arnold 03-18-2010 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by miababyjeff (Post 3029203)
I have been debating off and on if I should post my situation or not, but I feel that this may help someone else out there in search of a buying a yorkie. I would hate for this to happen to someone else and I feel that unfortunately there are some dishonest breeders out there who will tell you anything to sell you a yorkie.

I recently lost my yorkie because my neighbor's dog mauled her and she died. It was the worst thing I had ever been through. I contacted Toni off her website, not knowing who she was, I had just been searching trying to find another yorkie. She told me that she had a 6 month old that she had bought to breed and she wasn't big enough so she would sell her to us for $1200.00. I asked her if she was playful because I have 2 young girls who adored our other dog and she was full of spunk and energy. I told her this is what I was looking for. She said oh yeah she is very playful. We drove all the way to Arkansas to her house and when we got there the puppy was just sleeping. I said are you sure she's playful, she seems so quiet. Oh yeah she said it must be her dress making her act weird, so she took it off. Then she took us out to see her dog kennel. Oh my gosh me and my girls almost threw up the smell was so horribly strong and nauseating and there was feces and urine all over the floor and the dogs were just running all in it. She says that her pregnant dogs stay inside, but she had a pregnant dog out there because she picked her up and showed me her belly and said she has 2 in there. Her puppies that are for sale are out there in that mess too. Not inside being socialized. I ignored my gut instinct and bought the dog anyway. I guess that I was desperate to replace my puppy that I had recently lost. I am not even sure how she acquired this puppy because she said she never met the breeder or seen it's parents and that she got her through someone else. I asked her if the puppy had lost all her baby teeth and she said yeah all but two. We got the puppy home and I took her to my vet because her ears smelled horrible. The vet said she had severe yeast infections in both ears. Would this not be considered neglect? He also said that she had about 8 teeth that would have to be pulled. I started to wonder if she had ever even picked up this puppy.

The puppy just wanted to sleep all day every day, she wouldn't come when you called her and when you approached her to pick her up, she would squat down and pee. I contacted the breeder the following day after I brought her home and she said I was just not giving the puppy time. I called her a couple of days later and told her I wanted to bring the dog back and she said "no I don't do that and I would just have to try and sell her myself." How does she even know what kind of home the puppy would end up in if let up to a total stranger to rehome her? I explained to her that I didn't think the dog had been inside with humans and socialized and she said I was wrong. I told her that I had specifically wanted a hyper playful dog and she told me this one was. I told her about the yeast infections in the ears and that I did not feel like she had sold us a healthy puppy. Why did I not see the signs? I am beside myself and feel sick that there are breeders out there like her who are only breeding yorkies for money and don't have any concern for what happens to their puppies once they have their money. I have found the puppy a home with an older couple with no children. I feel confident she will be cared for very well. I do not think that it should have been my responsibilty. I lost money through this and I feel that isn't fair, but more than that please, please don't ever buy a puppy if something in your heart is telling you no this isn't right.

I know that most reputable breeders would have gladly taken the puppy back because their only concern is for their puppies, not the money they have already made.

I'm sorry you had to go throught this. I would have felt bad not buying the puppy because who knows what kind of home it would get if not with you, or the couple that you rehomed it with. These places really need to be reported when we run into them. This should be stopped. If I were you I'd call the SPCA or whatever is in that area so they can check it out.

jackson25 03-18-2010 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by nicholasdale (Post 3044709)
I have read this and it has been brought to my attention by past by some of my past happy yorkie owners and all I have to say is what a shame, first and far most many of you do not even know me or ever gotton a yorkie from me. I refuse to come on here and get into a dipute with people posting on what some one else has said and go back and forth with aruguments. I am not a puppy mill and My dogs are not outside!! It is very obvious you can not always please everyone in life, but try to defend and justify my self by untrue accursation made by some one else when there are always 2 sides and people choose to believe a one sided story. I have had many many very happy new yorkie owners which any of you are more than welcome to conatct.I am not perfect and you can never please everyone no matter hard you try.
Its very sad that people jump on negitive and not talk with the happy people that have bought yorkies from me before passing judment and posting or seeing for your self how my yorkies are raised and cared for.
And maddie why you are on such a mission when you have never bought a yorkie from me or seen how my dogs are made is really sad. I do not what you are attempting to accomplish by this, but i think before you past judment against me maybe you should come see for yourself before judging then you can state truth instead of hear say.
And as far as me posting anything on here and saying I was the one who posted it far from the truth. I do not come on here much and when I do i idinifey myself and take responsibiltiy for my post.
Thank you for taking the time to read this and any one is more than welcome to contact me or visit my yorkies.
TJS yorkies Toni ledbetter

With a statement like that, just how many, many puppies have you sold with "no income from your dogs"?

BellaDonna 03-18-2010 01:52 PM

I almost had that happen to me once when I went to see a Chihuahua puppy a few years ago. We arrived at dusk and as we drove up I realized that what looked like cattle pens were outside runs with bigger dogs of SEVERAL breeds. The woman met me on the porch with 2 little puppies that felt damp, like they had been laying in urine or something.She did not invite me in the house but pushed the pups in my hand for me to look at. When I said I couldn't tell much about them because the light was bad she pulled me over to a porchlight so I could see better!!!!! I told her I couldn't buy a dog if I couldn't see the parents and she excused herself, went into the house and came back with a pitiful Chihuahua mom that made me want to cry. I even suggested we go into the house so I could see everything better and she refused because "the place was a mess"
I felt so sorry for the animals and asked my husband what to do and he said I could buy the pup if I wanted but it would only be encouraging that abusive lady to keep breeding. He was right, I told her NO thanks and left. On the drive home we decided to turn her in and we did report it but I don't know if anything came out of it.
People like that make me sick making a living off the backs of God's animals.
Like your lady she was very deceptive on the telephone. I was convinced she was a sweet granny type lady that just bred one litter for the experience, then the dog accidentally got pregnant a second time!
...follow your gut....and trust very few.

ByGrace 04-07-2010 09:51 PM

Honest Caring Breeder
 
I have known Toni for a year. I have purchased from her (perfectly healthy, socialized, gorgeous and loving). Toni could not be more doting over her babies. They live in a beautiful addition in her beautiful home and she always has extra help to assist her with the upkeep. This was built for the yorkies comfort and needs along with washable pee pads. They are in full coat and come from the best heavy champion lines producing amazing pups. She is extremely honest and is above and beyond a wonderful concerned breeder.

I am new and joined after reading these comments. These vicious remarks are ridiculous and I cannot be silent.

smallmans 04-08-2010 05:37 AM

It seems to me that the fact that even one member described the conditons she encountered is enough to cast doubt on this breeder. Shame on anyone that supports this woman. Breeding for money is sickening! I will not be taken in by professional looking websites that hide abuse. Shame on you, shame on you to anyone that defends someone that allows breeding dogs to be anything but truly loved and cared for.

Cerise 04-08-2010 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ByGrace (Post 3075033)
I have known Toni for a year. I have purchased from her (perfectly healthy, socialized, gorgeous and loving). Toni could not be more doting over her babies. They live in a beautiful addition in her beautiful home and she always has extra help to assist her with the upkeep. This was built for the yorkies comfort and needs along with washable pee pads. They are in full coat and come from the best heavy champion lines producing amazing pups. She is extremely honest and is above and beyond a wonderful concerned breeder.

I am new and joined after reading these comments. These vicious remarks are ridiculous and I cannot be silent.


:rolleyes: Here we go with another new member joining just to claim a bad breeder is great. What champion blood lines? What are you... the bad breeders friend, relative, puppy broker, or are you actually a customer of hers who is so clueless that you don't know what a good breeder or healthy breeding environment is? Do you actually know what a healthy Yorkie puppy is like? :confused: Healthy puppies don't have yeast infections in their ears and live in feces and urine in kennels.

llcornell 04-08-2010 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3075262)
:rolleyes: Here we go with another new member joining just to claim a bad breeder is great. What champion blood lines? What are you... the bad breeders friend, relative, puppy broker, or are you actually a customer of hers who is so clueless that you don't know what a good breeder or healthy breeding environment is? Do you actually know what a healthy Yorkie puppy is like? :confused: Healthy puppies don't have yeast infections in their ears and live in feces and urine in kennels.

Yeah this person has a whopping 5 posts and all five are defending this breeder.....disgusting

nicholasdale 04-08-2010 06:32 AM

posting
 
what do you have to be a memeber and have tons of post on here to be a reputable person and no this peerson is not a friend or realitive, just a happy yorkie owner, it amazes me that even when some one post somthing good it still comes to nothing but negetive.
Most of the posting from people on here that states negative things do not even know me or ever spoke to me but yet give there opinion and judge mem this is really a sad world. Any of you are more than welcome to come visit me and see my babies and then you can post truth not judgement.

Cerise 04-08-2010 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by nicholasdale (Post 3075330)
what do you have to be a memeber and have tons of post on here to be a reputable person and no this peerson is not a friend or realitive, just a happy yorkie owner, it amazes me that even when some one post somthing good it still comes to nothing but negetive.
Most of the posting from people on here that states negative things do not even know me or ever spoke to me but yet give there opinion and judge mem this is really a sad world. Any of you are more than welcome to come visit me and see my babies and then you can post truth not judgement.


And the 14 post from you have been recently to defend yourself SHASTA. You don't have a good breeding reputation and the only good things said about you are from people that apparently you have asked to join YT to help you to keep fooling potential buyers.

I wonder why this keeps happening?

nicholasdale 04-08-2010 08:09 AM

"Cerise" you do not know me at all and for you to keep posting about me and your comments is just horrible that you can pass judgment. And if someone wants to come on here and post somthing this is there right just as it is for anyone to post somthing weather they are newbie as there called or someone who post all the time. it is open to any member.

Cerise 04-08-2010 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by nicholasdale (Post 3075485)
"Cerise" you do not know me at all and for you to keep posting about me and your comments is just horrible that you can pass judgment. And if someone wants to come on here and post somthing this is there right just as it is for anyone to post somthing weather they are newbie as there called or someone who post all the time. it is open to any member.


What is so horrible about what I said?

1. You have joined recently to defend yourself...under a new name.
2. You don't have a good breeding reputation. I Googled and researched you months ago when I was looking for a Yorkie.
3. Both times you joined YT new members came on to defend you and that is something that is not looked at as positive.

So what is so horrible about that?


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