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RemydeHaviland 02-14-2010 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 3003047)

Also, I guess I prefer that Thor squats on his pee pad. If I leave it too close to the wall, he lifts his leg and pees on the wall. So there's another con of leg lifting. :)
IMO "leg lift" refers to two separate issues

The first is referred to in QuickSilver's post above. If the male is lifting his leg to pee it may be more difficult to have them in-door only and exclusively pad trained because they can spray everywhere. Some people get those little hydrants to give them something to aim at. For Remy, I used to use people incontinence pads (the big ones) and I folded the pad up the wall so he could lift his leg and not cause a mess. Now he goes 100% outside so his technique no longer puts my walls at risk :D

Second is marking potential

Nancy1999 02-14-2010 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RemydeHaviland (Post 3003079)
IMO "leg lift" refers to two separate issues

The first is referred to in QuickSilver's post above. If the male is lifting his leg to pee it may be more difficult to have them in-door only and exclusively pad trained because they can spray everywhere. Some people get those little hydrants to give them something to aim at. For Remy, I used to use people incontinence pads (the big ones) and I folded the pad up the wall so he could lift his leg and not cause a mess. Now he goes 100% outside so his technique no longer puts my walls at risk :D

Second is marking potential
Joey's exclusively pee pad trained, his breeder recommended a "pee string" because we were growing coat, and the string does direct the hair away from the coat, but it probably keeps all spatters down. He pees, pretty much in the center of his pad, but the little guy is really private, and will not pee if I'm in the room. I just assumed he stood, but he may be a squatter. I'm going to have to try a hidden camera. :cool:

tarczely 02-14-2010 03:22 PM
wow! what a topic I think I'll just be happy with my 5 month old boy that squats like a girl so far! at least he don't pee pee on the wall just on the pad, that is when he remembers to us the pad

DvlshAngel985 02-14-2010 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RemydeHaviland (Post 3003079)
IMO "leg lift" refers to two separate issues

The first is referred to in QuickSilver's post above. If the male is lifting his leg to pee it may be more difficult to have them in-door only and exclusively pad trained because they can spray everywhere. Some people get those little hydrants to give them something to aim at. For Remy, I used to use people incontinence pads (the big ones) and I folded the pad up the wall so he could lift his leg and not cause a mess. Now he goes 100% outside so his technique no longer puts my walls at risk :D

Second is marking potential
GOT IT! I guess I never thought of it that way since Kaji made things so easy for me. He tried marking but I got that quickly under control and it's not an issue anymore. He still does the excited pee when I come home, but I use Nancy's "ignore him" technique combined with taking him to his pad as soon as I get home so he get's my attention after he goes on the pad. It works great so far! I miss him being 100% outside potty trained.

Nancy1999 02-14-2010 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3003078)
So when females lift their leg that means they're marking?
And to clarify, to me peeing to relieve themselves is when they pee a big puddle vs marking, all it takes is one little squirt and they move on to squirt on other things.
I'm starting to think this thread is making me sound really dumb. :confused:
Lol, I'm getting confused too, I think I'm answering around three threads asking the same stuff, but yes, I think when a female lifts their leg they are marking. I think you are correct that you can sort of tell by the size of the puddle, Joey will lift his leg sometimes outside, and I swear not even a drop is coming out. Now that he's older, he only pees a couple of times a day inside, and it's a good size amount. I've read that unneutered dogs leave a really strong scent when marking, but neutering eliminates this strong scent.

bellanrocco 02-14-2010 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3003059)
I understand the marking vs peeing thing, but this is what I mean, copied from another thread:


To me this statement means, "yay my doggie squats when peeing and I hope my other doggie never learns to pee standing up either." So it seems to me like people think that male doggies lifting their leg is bad bad bad, and it has nothing to do with marking. That's what I don't understand.

*names changed so as not offend anyone*
That was actually my quote.

Frankly, my dog Teddy was the first male dog I EVER saw squat while peeing. I always found it strange myself that he never lifted his leg. All of my family's other male dogs did, so I figured that was the correct way of peeing. So, for the longest time, I was concerned for NOTHING. When all it meant was that he just didn't mark.

I said nothing remotely close to saying that it was "bad bad bad."

RemydeHaviland 02-14-2010 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3003086)
Joey's exclusively pee pad trained, his breeder recommended a "pee string" because we were growing coat, and the string does direct the hair away from the coat, but it probably keeps all spatters down. He pees, pretty much in the center of his pad, but the little guy is really private, and will not pee if I'm in the room. I just assumed he stood, but he may be a squatter. I'm going to have to try a hidden camera. :cool:
I've gone with the pee string too, but at least with Remy, when he really has got to go it comes out with some, ahem, velocity which led to splatter. Typical man ;) I have found the pee string to really help directionally so that his tummy, or shirt if he has one on, stays dry!

QuickSilver 02-14-2010 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3003099)
GOT IT! I guess I never thought of it that way since Kaji made things so easy for me. He tried marking but I got that quickly under control and it's not an issue anymore. He still does the excited pee when I come home, but I use Nancy's "ignore him" technique combined with taking him to his pad as soon as I get home so he get's my attention after he goes on the pad. It works great so far! I miss him being 100% outside potty trained.
I saw on "It's Me or the Dog" that dogs can pee while they are sitting - so may you can make him sit before he greets you, if he's doing the excitable peeing?

ellabee 02-14-2010 07:16 PM
asking about marking behaviour
 
I started the most recent thread asking this question...I wrote, "I'm wondering if he would lift his leg and pee on things in my house". I mean, will he be lifting his leg and peeing on things in my house!! :D

I tried to search the topic, I am new here and couldn't find historical threads answering this question. The only thread I could find referred to what to do if a male dog's "lipstick" is out for too long.

If my female pup were to have an accident in the house, the most I am contending with is mopping up a small puddle. I am trying to imagine having a boy and am asking will he mark, will he lift his leg and mark my couch, curtains, shoes, clothes, bed, everything. I am trying to learn what I can so I make the best choice regarding the next pup I bring into my home. I am trying to decide between knowing 2 girls are more likely to have problems and bringing in a boy that may have needs and/or behaviours beyond what I am willing to deal with.

thanks! :)

DvlshAngel985 02-14-2010 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by bellanrocco (Post 3003157)
That was actually my quote.

Frankly, my dog Teddy was the first male dog I EVER saw squat while peeing. I always found it strange myself that he never lifted his leg. All of my family's other male dogs did, so I figured that was the correct way of peeing. So, for the longest time, I was concerned for NOTHING. When all it meant was that he just didn't mark.

I said nothing remotely close to saying that it was "bad bad bad."
Sorry about that. I hope that didn't offend you or anything. Your reply was just fresh on my mind. I just want to understand why people would make it sound like it's such a bad thing. Your quote alone doesn't make it bad, it is your preference that he not leg lift and that's understandable. Just like some people prefer pee pad trained vs litter box trained vs outside trained, it's a preference really. But when many other people have the same types of feelings towards leg lifting it makes me think most people see it in a negative light, especially when I've seen a few breeders (not on YT) price their boys differently because they are the problematic sex due to "leg lifting" issues. Maybe it's something that I just don't know about since Kaji is my very first pet? That's why I posted the question, I thought there was something new I would learn about boys and leg lifting that I didn't know before.

DvlshAngel985 02-14-2010 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ellabee (Post 3003420)
I started the most recent thread asking this question...I wrote, "I'm wondering if he would lift his leg and pee on things in my house". I mean, will he be lifting his leg and peeing on things in my house!! :D

I tried to search the topic, I am new here and couldn't find historical threads answering this question. The only thread I could find referred to what to do if a male dog's "lipstick" is out for too long.

If my female pup were to have an accident in the house, the most I am contending with is mopping up a small puddle. I am trying to imagine having a boy and am asking will he mark, will he lift his leg and mark my couch, curtains, shoes, clothes, bed, everything. I am trying to learn what I can so I make the best choice regarding the next pup I bring into my home. I am trying to decide between knowing 2 girls are more likely to have problems and bringing in a boy that may have needs and/or behaviours beyond what I am willing to deal with.

thanks! :)
Girls mark too. Most of the girl dogs I've met mark just as much as the boys, then again most of the dogs I've encountered where shelter dogs so I don't know if that makes a difference. They as strays all had to mark their territory? Maybe all my questions would be answered if I would get a little girl too. :D

But, your question is different than mine. I understand that dogs mark, I just never knew there was a difference between boys marking and girls marking.

Nancy1999 02-14-2010 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ellabee (Post 3003420)
I started the most recent thread asking this question...I wrote, "I'm wondering if he would lift his leg and pee on things in my house". I mean, will he be lifting his leg and peeing on things in my house!! :D

I tried to search the topic, I am new here and couldn't find historical threads answering this question. The only thread I could find referred to what to do if a male dog's "lipstick" is out for too long.

If my female pup were to have an accident in the house, the most I am contending with is mopping up a small puddle. I am trying to imagine having a boy and am asking will he mark, will he lift his leg and mark my couch, curtains, shoes, clothes, bed, everything. I am trying to learn what I can so I make the best choice regarding the next pup I bring into my home. I am trying to decide between knowing 2 girls are more likely to have problems and bringing in a boy that may have needs and/or behaviours beyond what I am willing to deal with.

thanks! :)
I've had male dogs all my life and I've never had a problem with marking inside, I think if you get him neutered, you'll probably will never have a problem. You certainly shouldn't have the problem you're describing. That sounds more like a unneutered male cat! :D

bellanrocco 02-14-2010 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3003433)
Sorry about that. I hope that didn't offend you or anything. Your reply was just fresh on my mind. I just want to understand why people would make it sound like it's such a bad thing. Your quote alone doesn't make it bad, it is your preference that he not leg lift and that's understandable. Just like some people prefer pee pad trained vs litter box trained vs outside trained, it's a preference really. But when many other people have the same types of feelings towards leg lifting it makes me think most people see it in a negative light, especially when I've seen a few breeders (not on YT) price their boys differently because they are the problematic sex due to "leg lifting" issues. Maybe it's something that I just don't know about since Kaji is my very first pet? That's why I posted the question, I thought there was something new I would learn about boys and leg lifting that I didn't know before.

Not a problem. I was actually made to feel negatively about my dog by others, who I now know just weren't knowledgeable about it. But I see your point. It's not really a "bad" thing, really just an unfavorable habit. And i definitely agree that it shouldn't be something with a huge stigma attached. Personally, I'd rather all of my dogs leg lift than do other things, such as bite or act aggressively toward other dogs, strangers or children.

capt_noonie 02-14-2010 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3003067)
That is so weird. Kaji is my first dog, and we use to live with a female. When my roomie and I walked our dogs together, Kaji would pee once, walk a long while then go #2 and he was ready to come home. The girl however marked every 2 mins, pooped many times and then was ready to come home. I lived with the opposite!
You and I must live in bizarro world b/c Uni marks all the time on walks. She marks maybe 5+ times, and still tries even if not even a full drop comes out.

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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 3003069)
I think it's just that if a male dog is squatting, you know he's definitely peeing just to relieve himself, and not to mark. Again, once male dogs start lifting, they almost never pee just to pee. It's either purely marking (when there isn't even any liquid coming out, they're just waving their leg at something), or marking and peeing together.

Yeah, it is interesting that you had a little girlie marker. I don't see a lot of female yorkies, so maybe this is more common in the breed. I actually almost never see females mark.
You need to see Uni in action! :D

capt_noonie 02-14-2010 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3003078)
So when females lift their leg that means they're marking?
And to clarify, to me peeing to relieve themselves is when they pee a big puddle vs marking, all it takes is one little squirt and they move on to squirt on other things.
I'm starting to think this thread is making me sound really dumb. :confused:
:sidesplt: Uni does a big puddle first, then goes on to droplets.


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