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yorkie mad 09-03-2009 10:48 AM

Read everything you can , ceasar offers some good advice about showing the dog you are the boss. I think once youve achieved that you are going to have a loving faithful friend for life for you and your family.
You can do it,if your husband and your family stick together on the training you will have a different dog.Keep us posted.:D

Britster 09-03-2009 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2785554)
First of all that was an excellent reply and it gives me a clearer understanding of some of the problems, if you take a step back, I think you have really answered some of your questions. There's a difference between spoiling and pampering a dog. Spoiled dogs, act like they have run of the house, but actually they are running scared, pampered dogs, on the other hand, are treated well, but they understand their place, and are happy knowing that the human is in charge. I believe a dog must never be hit, the hands should only be used for good things, never bad things, a dog equates your hands with your mouth, when you hit him he thinks you are biting and bites back, you can beat a dog into submission, but is this what you want? A dog can learn to be submissive, but he must feel protected and safe. You dog must learn that you and all family members are the boss, but you will also need to teach you son, that he can not handle the dog too much. How would he like it if someone just wanted to hug and kiss him all day long? There are other things a dog would like to with him besides hugging and kissing. I like some of the Dog Whisper's training techniques, and it's his belief that a dog needs, exercise, discipline, and affection, in that order. He's say that humans just want to give affection and forget that a dog doesn't want to be held and loved all day. Like humans, a dog need his space, and maybe you could create a quiet safe area for your dog such as a kennel where he can go when he feels anxious, but this should not be used as punishment. You can get your dog use to a kennel, but taking him for a good walk, and placing him in the kennel, he'll be tired, and probably won't protest too much. If he really doesn't like it I would only leave him in it about 5 minutes the first time, and try not to take him out when he's barking, but take him out after he quiets down. Do this every day for several weeks, and increase the time he's in the kennel, don't let your son disturb him in the kennel that's his place. You need to learn the proper way to take a dog for a walk, and teach this to your son, walking is a very important part of a dog's life and they feel like they are part of a pack when you walk together. There are many websites that explain the proper walking techniques.

Discipline can involve various training methods from potty training to trick training to guest greeting. You need an approach for each problem, but it should never involve physical force. Potty training is best accomplished by ignoring the mistakes, (and cleaning them up with an enzyme cleaner), and praising the successes. If you want to train to go outside, this is best accomplished through crate training. Other ways to establish yourself as a pack leader are to make your dog sit, before food is given. Your dog should learn that all good things come through humans. It's very easy to teach this, and pick up the bowl if he moves toward it before you give the release command. I use pennies in a can for barking, I just say no and shake the can, you have to do this repeatedly and consistently for a while, but it does work. You shouldn't scream or get agitated as this makes them more agitated, so don't scream at the dog, saying, "ugh ugh" in a firm voice when they do something wrong has been said to be effective. You need to also teach your son a proper way to discipline, and I would have him learn to say "ugh ugh" in a firm voice, but only use it when the dog behavior is really bad, not just when he wants to boss the dog. For example, if the dog bites, he should say "ugh ugh" in a firm voice and put the dog down. So much of this training will involve training your son, that's why I think you might be able to use the advice of a professional trainer who will also be able to explain these things to your son.

My dog Joey is a really good boy, and has never bitten anyone, but I think if a child handled him too much or was annoying him, he'd bite too, I think much of the problem is with your son, but you need to teach him in a careful way, so that he doesn't think you love the dog more and becomes jealous of the dog. I just wanted to add that since I did recommend the Dog Whisperer, I should qualify that and say, I love his intuitive knowledge of a dogs psyche and their needs, and I love the fact that he makes you understand that dogs need calm assertive behavior, not aggressive nor passive behavior. Assertiveness is a useful skill to learn in life with humans as well as dogs, you don't step on anyone's toes, neither do you allow them to step on yours. However, his programs sometimes show controversial training techniques that should only be done by an experienced professional. Unfortunately, people see some of these things, and think they are a quick fix, and if not done right could cause more harm than good. You do not have to use techniques that were meant as the last resort for aggressive dogs, as you said yourself, this dog isn't aggressive, it's just defending himself. I wish you best of luck, learning to have a well trained and disciplined dog is extremely rewarding.

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livingdustmops 09-03-2009 05:25 PM

I believe your little girl is showing classic fear aggression because of being hit and by the children in the home. This is very serious and I don't want to see your son hurt but I think you need to bring in an expert as you do not have the knowledge base to help your little girl. You are very lucky as the University as a department to help you or could direct you to someone even closer to your home. I feel very strongly that you just can't open the yellow pages and get a trainer as anyone can train dogs and they can do even more damage with your little girl. I believe you need a Board-Certified Veterinary Behaviorist which the University has.

Please do not try the dominant theory with her or you will do even more damage to her. She is scared out of her mind and she attacks because of this. Sorry but not all Yorkies like children and also she is now on her second home so you will need patience to alleviate her fears.

I think you can turn her around but it will take patience and postive training.

Animal Behavior Services - CVM - Veterinary Medical Clinic, University of Minnesota

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With many dogs you can develop a great foundation for avoiding and working through behavior issues through training class and practice, daily grooming, diligent veterinary attention, and good management structure in the home. It takes time, knowledge, skill and effort to learn and to do these things, though, and some dogs are just “problem children,” no matter what you do! The experts stay busy helping us with our dogs for good reasons!
Your regular veterinarian is the best resource to keep your dog’s health care in great shape and to help you figure out where to find the other expertise you need for your dog. A veterinary behavior specialist may be further away, but well worth the travel for an aggression problem, a dog who is obviously suffering from anxiety, or any other situation that makes an expert assessment of the dog’s temperament important. If you need a veterinary behavior specialist, ask your regular veterinarian to help you find the closest one. Follow-up to the work with the specialist will most likely include your regular veterinarian. Specialists are routine in veterinary medicine now, but regular veterinarians can be indispensable!
Don’t put off the veterinary behavior specialist until “the last resort.” A behavior becomes more set and more difficult to change when it continues for a longer time. With a young dog, you also want to use developmental periods to maximize behavior improvement much more than is possible if you wait until these critical periods are past. They pass quickly.
Whenever possible, take aggression and serious anxiety problems to the veterinary behavior specialist quickly, so the right assessment can be made and treatment begun in good time. It could very well save your dog’s life, or in some cases the life of a human. You will gain the knowledge to make good decisions about your dog’s care, and your family will benefit, too.

tallulahsmom 09-10-2009 07:03 PM

I dont know if I can do this!
 
Tallulah peed on the couch tonight!!!! :eek: I cannot believe it. She has never peed on the couch. She did it right in front of my husband and I. I was surprised because she sits on the couch frequently and she is welcome to sit on the couch (we decided to pick our battles). Why would she pee where she sits all the time to relax?! She has also been peeing on her rug where we keep her food and water bowl. I don't get it at all! Why would she pee where she eats?! This problem is much worse than I thought. Its one thing to pee on the floor but I cannot deal with her peeing on our furniture. I read everyone's advice and a lot of it was very helpful. I know we need some professional help here but we just cannot afford it right now. I just got laid off from my job a few weeks ago. I am starting to really wonder if we need to rehome her. I hate to do it but I'm not sure we can give her what she needs at this point. On the other side of things we have trained her to sleep on her pillow rather than on our bed! Small victories! And we are working on some basic obedience training and walking on a leash. She is doing okay, its hard for her because she is so used to not being obedient and not being walked at all. But after tonight I just don't know what to do.

tallulahsmom 09-10-2009 07:53 PM

I thought of maybe trying to retrain her to go outside instead, that way she wont be peeing in the house at all. But she is six and she has always gone in the house. Also, we live in Minnesota and have cold bitter winters and I have never been able to get her to walk or go outside in the snow. She just lays on the ground and whimpers like she has no will to live or go on. It makes me feel awful! Plus what would we do when we are gone at work all day? I know she cant hold it all day. :confused:

Lucky09 09-10-2009 08:14 PM

Hi maybe she is missing her old family?? I think that`s the problem...you should talk with hers vet maybe he will suggest something :cool:

joeyandtanksmom 09-10-2009 08:35 PM

I am very strict with Joey and Tank, but they are also spoiled rotten. For the biting, I suggest flipping her over to her back, and putting yourself over her. I know some people think it's horrible to do, but it has worked very well for me. It basically just lets my dogs know that I am the Alpha dog, and what I say goes.

For the barking, I have 2 suggestions. The first one is that you could get a spray bottle and fill it with water. Spray the face whenever unneeded barking is going on. The second suggestion is a bark collar. I have one that zaps when one they bark, and it works quite well. Joey has learned that if he has the collar on, he can't bark, but if he's not wearing it, he can bark without a shock. Too smart for his own good...all I have to do is show him the collar and he shuts right up. Now, my boys both know that a couple barks to let me know something is ok, but yapping is not an appropriate thing to do. Tank will bark a couple times to say hello when my husband or I get home, and Joey barks when he hears a car or motorcycle he recognizes (yes, he knows our cars' and bike's sounds).

If my dogs pee or poop in the house, they go in the kennel for at least one hour. They go in together, since it's very difficult to know exactly who did it. They both know it's bad, and they come get me when they do it. If it's because I haven't been able to take them out for hours, they feel badly, but they don't go in the kennel. It's mostly when I take them outside for quite a long while, bring them in, and they poop. That's when they go in the kennel most of the time.

I most certainly hope this helps at least a little, good luck to you with your training!

Nancy1999 09-11-2009 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by joeyandtanksmom (Post 2795942)
I am very strict with Joey and Tank, but they are also spoiled rotten. For the biting, I suggest flipping her over to her back, and putting yourself over her. I know some people think it's horrible to do, but it has worked very well for me. It basically just lets my dogs know that I am the Alpha dog, and what I say goes.

For the barking, I have 2 suggestions. The first one is that you could get a spray bottle and fill it with water. Spray the face whenever unneeded barking is going on. The second suggestion is a bark collar. I have one that zaps when one they bark, and it works quite well. Joey has learned that if he has the collar on, he can't bark, but if he's not wearing it, he can bark without a shock. Too smart for his own good...all I have to do is show him the collar and he shuts right up. Now, my boys both know that a couple barks to let me know something is ok, but yapping is not an appropriate thing to do. Tank will bark a couple times to say hello when my husband or I get home, and Joey barks when he hears a car or motorcycle he recognizes (yes, he knows our cars' and bike's sounds).

If my dogs pee or poop in the house, they go in the kennel for at least one hour. They go in together, since it's very difficult to know exactly who did it. They both know it's bad, and they come get me when they do it. If it's because I haven't been able to take them out for hours, they feel badly, but they don't go in the kennel. It's mostly when I take them outside for quite a long while, bring them in, and they poop. That's when they go in the kennel most of the time.

I most certainly hope this helps at least a little, good luck to you with your training!

You have mentioned some very aggressive methods of training, and although there are many reports of success with these methods, I don't think this is something I would recommend without knowing exactly what you are doing. I love Cesar, and he does some of these things, but he always has a qualifier on the show saying, "don't attempt this method without consulting a trained professional". There are some training methods that anyone can do and teach, however other methods are a little trickier, and need to be done exactly right, and an expert can read the animal's body signals. Most humans really can't read a dog that well. Also some of the methods are used "as a last resort," by certain professionals, and shouldn't be used unless all other conventional training has failed. While many dog owners believe that they have tried all methods of training, in reality this is seldom the case and it's more likely they have been hit and miss with their training. There is nothing wrong with crate training, but the crate should never be used as a punishment, and if you place them in the crate right after an accident the dog could read it that way. The crate should be a safe haven, not a punishment.

To the OP, Joey has peed on the couch, from out of nowhere, and I don't know what caused this, but I just used Nature's Miracle on the stain and it vanished, it was a one time thing for Joey, and who knows why he did it, but maybe he just wanted his scent there. You are making progress, don't get discouraged, and don't think about redoing your whole training program. We don't completely understand why dogs do certain things, but she may have had a good reason for it, and perhaps she feels more at home and safer in your house. To me it sounds more like marking than peeing, remember females will mark also, and since it on or near favorite objects it sounds more like marking. Hang in there!

yorkiejunkie 09-11-2009 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2785554)
There's a difference between spoiling and pampering a dog. Spoiled dogs, act like they have run of the house, but actually they are running scared, pampered dogs, on the other hand, are treated well, but they understand their place, and are happy knowing that the human is in charge.


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lovespandp 09-11-2009 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeyandtanksmom (Post 2795942)
I am very strict with Joey and Tank, but they are also spoiled rotten. For the biting, I suggest flipping her over to her back, and putting yourself over her. I know some people think it's horrible to do, but it has worked very well for me. It basically just lets my dogs know that I am the Alpha dog, and what I say goes.

For the barking, I have 2 suggestions. The first one is that you could get a spray bottle and fill it with water. Spray the face whenever unneeded barking is going on. The second suggestion is a bark collar. I have one that zaps when one they bark, and it works quite well. Joey has learned that if he has the collar on, he can't bark, but if he's not wearing it, he can bark without a shock. Too smart for his own good...all I have to do is show him the collar and he shuts right up. Now, my boys both know that a couple barks to let me know something is ok, but yapping is not an appropriate thing to do. Tank will bark a couple times to say hello when my husband or I get home, and Joey barks when he hears a car or motorcycle he recognizes (yes, he knows our cars' and bike's sounds).

If my dogs pee or poop in the house, they go in the kennel for at least one hour. They go in together, since it's very difficult to know exactly who did it. They both know it's bad, and they come get me when they do it. If it's because I haven't been able to take them out for hours, they feel badly, but they don't go in the kennel. It's mostly when I take them outside for quite a long while, bring them in, and they poop. That's when they go in the kennel most of the time.

I most certainly hope this helps at least a little, good luck to you with your training!


Wow
#1 I woud never use a "zap collar" on anything living
#2 One hour in a crate? Do you catch them in the act and then put them in the cage? If you dont and you just find some poop and throw them both in the crate I highly doubt they even know what they did, plus one hour is a long time to leave them in there. After like 10 mins I dont even think they know why they are in the crate in the first place.

tallulahsmom 09-13-2009 07:59 PM

Tallulah is doing much better!
 
Thank you everyone for your advice! After much practice I have gotten Tallulah to walk nicely on her leash. She doesn't pull anymore like she used to. And she only sniffs if we allow her too. She also does not bark at other people and dogs nearby!!!! I am so happy! I used to feel so embarrassed walking her because she was so out of control. But I have used a few training techniques that really worked, like not allowing her to walk in front of me at all. And not allowing her out the door until all of us get out first. Also when I notice her getting overly excited on our walk I will make her sit and wait until she has time to calm down, then when she's calm continue walking. She is responding really well, and she responded quickly too. It only took a few times before she started to understand what's okay and not okay. She also has not peed in the house in a few days. I have been trying to take her to her pads more frequently throughout the day and rewarding her for going potty. Since we prefer her to go outside too I have been rewarding her when she goes potty or poop on our walks as well. So far so good! Thanks again for everyone's help!:)


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