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spina 04-28-2009 10:22 AM
Breeders vs. Brokers???????
 
ok.....I just purchased my first AKC Puppy. Mia Rose (MIMI). We absolutely are in love with her. I thought I did my homework. I took weeks to weed through all of the scams and the links telling me "Don't buy from a backyard breeder," and all of the emails from the missionaries in Africa. (Which was really weird) I placed an ad looking for a yorkie, I specifically said NO out of state. I had heard that small dogs get bad health problems and can die when flying. I did not want to place any dog in jeopardy. We finally found a local person. I thought the puppy was local. When we saw her it was (of course) love at first site. I asked for the AKC papers he said he would send them to me. When I got the papers I noticed the Breeder was from out of state. When I contacted her to see pictures of the Dam and the Sire, she said she retired them and has no pictures. Mia was just born on December 26,2008. Any way, I am assuming the gentleman was the Broker for the breeder? Is this normal activity. Just wondering for any future references.
Thanks

chachi 04-28-2009 10:39 AM
Yes that sounds like a broker. It is more common to have one if you buy over the internet

bchgirl 04-28-2009 10:43 AM
Breeders who sell outright to brokers...or who have them brokered have no concern where their puppies end up.

TLC 04-28-2009 10:53 AM
So sorry...You did sort good, not falling for those crazy scams and avoiding BYB - Unfortunately, you purchased from a broker, who in turn either purchases in bulk from puppymills or BYBs :(

spina 04-28-2009 11:50 AM
Thanks for the info....I'll be more careful next time around..

bchgirl 04-28-2009 12:01 PM
If at least the dam isn't on the premises...consider that a red flag.

spina 04-28-2009 12:06 PM
This may be a dumb question but why? Sorry I am extremely new at this..

bchgirl 04-28-2009 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by spina (Post 2598553)
This may be a dumb question but why? Sorry I am extremely new at this..
Because the puppies are likely from a broker not a breeder. Beyond that...I want to see what the sire and dam look like along with their personalities.

Elaine Benise 04-28-2009 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by spina (Post 2598553)
This may be a dumb question but why? Sorry I am extremely new at this..
IMO a reputable breeder has the mom there with her puppies. If the mom isn't there, then where the heck is she?? Make sense?

Martin0327 04-28-2009 01:54 PM
Sooo...???
 
I hate to raise any concerns but if puppies come from brokers.....Could there be a possibility that the puppy isnt actually AKC since we dont know where the parents are at? I mean she could have papers but doesnt mean the dog came from those parent right?

spina 04-28-2009 02:07 PM
I thought about that. I have papers from America's Pet registry. I guess they are the same as the American Kennel Club. I didn't realize this. They are each others competition. I called and the registration number that I have is valid...Not that it really makesa difference if she is registered or not. I just want a purebred. So I know exactly what her temperment will be and what she is going to look like.

spina 04-28-2009 02:09 PM
I also have the registration numbers for the dam and the sire. So I guess it's on the up and up. But I just don't understand why they don't include a picture or more information on the parents? like temperment, coloring so on and so forth.

chachi 04-28-2009 02:13 PM
The AKC is the only registry I feel comfortable with. They register pure breds only no mixes. The other registries register mixes

bchgirl 04-28-2009 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by spina (Post 2598731)
I thought about that. I have papers from America's Pet registry. I guess they are the same as the American Kennel Club. I didn't realize this. They are each others competition. I called and the registration number that I have is valid...Not that it really makesa difference if she is registered or not. I just want a purebred. So I know exactly what her temperment will be and what she is going to look like.
An APR registry does not prove she is purebred. Without seeing her parents....you can't possibly know her temperament nor what she may end up looking like.

Ladymom 04-28-2009 05:29 PM
America's Pet Registry is a junk registry. It was specifically formed to support the retail pet industry, puppymills, brokers and pet shops, and to provide "papers" to make the buyer think they are getting a quality dog. :thumbdown

You can read in their FAQ's their intent to support the retail pet industry:

America's Pet Registry - FAQs

Martin0327 04-28-2009 05:55 PM
but....
 
what Im trying to find out.....is it possible to buy an a pup that has AKC and not actually be the pup that the AKC is intended for? If you dont see the parents, then where did the puppies come from? As long as you have AKC parents registries then you can, cant you pretty much register any litter as an AKC litter?

yorkie_mama22 04-28-2009 06:14 PM
I fell for the APR papers as well and let me tell you, BIGGEST MISTAKE OF MY LIFE! NEVER AGAIN will I buy a dog unless it is AKC or CKC (CANADIAN) I learned the hard way, my dog has genetic disorder with her knees (luxating patellas) I also found out my dog was from a puppymill, when I called the original "breeder" they didn't have the parents either, it took her about 5-10 mins to FIND the papers on MY dog because she didn't know anything on the top of her head, she seemed like a nice lady and was very informative talking but she blank out said they sell their dogs to someone who then sells them off, she doesn't ship them, unless someone comes there to buy a pup the rest go to whoever will buy them for whatever.

yorkie_mama22 04-28-2009 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin0327 (Post 2599134)
what Im trying to find out.....is it possible to buy an a pup that has AKC and not actually be the pup that the AKC is intended for? If you dont see the parents, then where did the puppies come from? As long as you have AKC parents registries then you can, cant you pretty much register any litter as an AKC litter?
I am sure it can happen, who really knows, some dishonest people could say these are a certain pups papers but how can you REALLY know.

DvlshAngel985 04-28-2009 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by spina (Post 2598736)
I also have the registration numbers for the dam and the sire. So I guess it's on the up and up. But I just don't understand why they don't include a picture or more information on the parents? like temperment, coloring so on and so forth.
I think the information your looking for would be provided by the breeder. I mean, a responsible breeder knows the mother dog she would be living with the breeder and interacting with the breeder, so how could this person not know or give you info on the mother dog? The breeder also knows her lineague, and if the breeder used their own stud, then they would know that information for him aswell. I don't know about registries, but I think other members could answer your questions on what information they provide. I'm still searching for my furbaby, so the info I can share is what I've learned here on YT and other places, like the AKC website.

bchgirl 04-29-2009 07:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin0327 (Post 2599134)
what Im trying to find out.....is it possible to buy an a pup that has AKC and not actually be the pup that the AKC is intended for? If you dont see the parents, then where did the puppies come from? As long as you have AKC parents registries then you can, cant you pretty much register any litter as an AKC litter?
First off the litter itself must be registered by the breeder.

Also AKC requires detailed record keeping and dna samples thus ensuring a puppy is indeed the product of a specific breeding.

The implementation of the record keeping and dna requirements lead some breeders to seek out alternative registries.


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