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mscat 03-27-2009 09:29 AM

Is she going to give you a partial refund? did you pay for the puppy in full? If so, and she refuses to give you a puppy now, or your refund, then to me, it is robbery. You need to file a police report. Especially if this was a high amount of cash. Do not let her get away with it! :eek: She is a criminal. :mad:

DanielleAllen 03-27-2009 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mscat (Post 2545988)
Is she going to give you a partial refund? did you pay for the puppy in full? If so, and she refuses to give you a puppy now, or your refund, then to me, it is robbery. You need to file a police report. Especially if this was a high amount of cash. Do not let her get away with it! :eek: She is a criminal. :mad:

I agree with you!

Lou 03-27-2009 10:07 AM

The puppy you agreed to purchase and paid for either totally or in part died. She is obligated to refund that money to you. If she doesn't give it to you in full you can take her to court and she knows it. Stick to your guns. Ask a lawyer to write her a letter detailing the legalities and she will cave. It won't cost that much.

nanahas3 03-27-2009 10:45 AM

I raised poms for years and that looks like a full blooded black pom. Dont let her do this to you. Am praying for you.

KYsweetheart 03-27-2009 10:59 AM

My first thought is definitely not!

MaxwellHouse 03-27-2009 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by omichka (Post 2545865)
are you kidding? of course, they are NOT yorkies at all, maybe some 25%....

One Quarter Yorkie is what I thought as well. Cute for pets, not for show.

Teiya 03-27-2009 03:15 PM

I"m in the middle of this very same thing. Check with your local courthouse on how to file a civil small claims suit. Normally, the filing fees aren't that much. File a police report too. That holds credibility. Print your emails from her and from here on out, document the date and times you talk to her, what the conversation entailed and how long you spoke on the phone. When you walk into court with documentation (even your own notes) it holds a lot more credibility than someone who has nothing.

DO NOT back down! Fight for what you paid for and don't give up. Vent here if you need to. My PM box is always open. God knows I know what you're going through.

Good luck!
PS: the dog isn't a yorkie... AT ALL. It doesn't even pretend to be a yorkie

kimrob 03-27-2009 04:17 PM

Cute puppy, but not a yorkie, maybe partial mix, but not much. I definitely would be requesting a complete refund or a new puppy that is full yorkie, although it would be hard to trust that she would do that now. I would check into the law as others have suggested to recoup my payment/deposit. I am sorry you have to go through this, what a shame. :(:(:(. Please keep us posted on what happens
Good luck :):):)

FlDebra 03-27-2009 09:06 PM

As long as you stick with the facts, no one can get you for slander/libel. It has to be an untrue statement to fall under slander (spoken) or libel (written) laws.

I agree with those who said go to the police. It is a criminal matter. Is she local to you or in a different state? That can make it more difficult but not impossible. You do not have to have a lawyer to go to small claims court. But if you do get a lawyer and win as you should with the facts you presented, then you can be awarded legal fees in addition to recouping your money. Don't let someone get away with this or she will just turn around and do it to another.

I am almost wondering if it is possible that she sent you the wrong picture. Did you discuss with her that the dog does not look like a Yorkie? Long shot I know but this is starting to get me down that so many breeders are being dishonest. I would rather think maybe she made a mistake.

Does she have a website? Can you list it here?

yorkiemomto4 03-27-2009 11:36 PM

Looks like a pom to me

Jan L. 03-28-2009 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LilMissy (Post 2545873)
Not yorkies, and I'm leery that this woman has "several other breeds of dogs". Is she running a puppymill?

:thumbup::thumbup:

BLowry 03-28-2009 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by LilMissy (Post 2545873)
Not yorkies, and I'm leery that this woman has "several other breeds of dogs". Is she running a puppymill?

I was going to say the same thing..

Pinehaven 03-28-2009 05:14 AM

Could you ask her if you could wait until the next yorkie litter is due, so you could get pick of that litter? If not, tell her you don't want to loose your money, and that the pup in the photo doesn't have the look you were looking for but you wanted to get more information about the puppy she says you have to take.

Verify that those were the right photos (maybe she sent you the wrong photos), ask to see photos of mom and dad and some better close up pics of the pup as well as a photo of the entire litter (including the red pups). Ask for parents full registered names and copy of pedigrees. Ask if she's applied for the pups AKC papers yet and get the pups litter registration number. Ask how many litters dad has sired (if he's sired more than 3 litters in one year or more than a total of 7 litters, he should have DNA on file already - it's required). Hopefully he does have DNA on file already and if so, get a copy of his DNA papers.

If you are still not happy with the pup after getting all this information (get all the info first, reg numbers, photos, dna papers), and she still insists that you have to take this pup or no pup at all, tell her that you hope she doesn't mind if you contact AKC just to verify that the information she's given you is correct (and be sure she's in good standing with AKC). If dad does have DNA on file, tell her that if you do take the pup, you intend on DNA'ing the pup to verify parentage because the pup doesn't look like a show quality yorkie; it looks like a mix of something.

Hopefully that will change her mind and she'll give you your money back just to get rid of you ;-) I'm sure she doesn't want AKC to see any red flags or question her reputation.

Otherwise, small claims court would be an option, if you have all the facts in writing via e-mails to back you up. You could also complain to the Better Business Bureau.

Good luck ... sorry this happend to you.

YorkieMom90 03-28-2009 08:20 AM

hi,
she also raises LOTS AND LOTS of many horses (like hundreds on a little bit of land). i heard that she pretty much got kicked out of th city because of the care her animals were receiving...which was pretty much none. anyways this is her webiste LIL BIT OF HEAVEN she doesn't usually post many pics of her dogs and considers them "family members'' of course. i know she has several other breeds and that her pups are sick and dying as well as her horses. i hope she doesn't use anyone else. i will be contacting akc.

YorkieMom90 03-28-2009 08:22 AM

oh,and the pics of the two yorkies are apparently the parent's of these pups...it is a longshot....i don't believe her for a minute.

Mitzis Mom 03-28-2009 08:35 AM

This sounds like a common scam to me! It's called 'bait and switch'.

IMO you still have a legal standing. Just keep all the emails or maybe tape a conversation with her where she admits that the puppy you wanted died and you have to take another one and she doesn't want to give all your money back.

I'm so sad to hear the same thing over and over again and all on the innocent backs of animals and trusting people...:mad:

4doggiemama 03-28-2009 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkieMom90 (Post 2545886)
i found out later from someone that works at my vet's office that she has had several lawsuits because of mulitple dead horses found on her property. she DID show her yorkies. that is the odd thing. apparently both parent's were shown. maybe something else just got mixed in??? i don't know....but i doubt i will ever see my money again. i was stupid enough not to get a bill of sale so i don't think i have any legal standing.

Just because someone shows dogs doesn't make them ethical or honest or decent. About 7 miles from us we have an Australian Shepherd breeder who shows dogs. They have been busted multiple times for dead dogs, emaciated dogs, starved horses, dead horses. They've been busted twice in our country and they keep getting more dogs. I see the training equipment on their yard. It is horrible. The dogs were in over a foot feces and were eating the dead dogs. You can look into the barn when they have the side doors open and see cages clear to the top where the roof starts. And they have horses again. This time when they were busted I heard that they will be able to get the dogs back if they can prove that they will take care of them. What is that???????:eek::eek::eek: And they are show people.....show their Australian Shepherds. I cringe every time someone generalizes and says show people are good breeders. Our small community know different.:( You have to go see what is going on.

lgoodall 03-28-2009 09:03 AM

Looks like you were scamed. But, I feel so sorry for the puppy she wanted to give you. It is cute, and looks so sweet. It's probably not being treated very well. That breaks my heart. Tucker's Mom

ChantalB 03-28-2009 09:15 AM

What a scam!

So fare from pure, not even sure you can call it a yorkie?

Cute puppy for sure. But look like there is some Pomeranian cross to me

cj125 03-28-2009 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2547442)
Could you ask her if you could wait until the next yorkie litter is due, so you could get pick of that litter? If not, tell her you don't want to loose your money, and that the pup in the photo doesn't have the look you were looking for but you wanted to get more information about the puppy she says you have to take.

Verify that those were the right photos (maybe she sent you the wrong photos), ask to see photos of mom and dad and some better close up pics of the pup as well as a photo of the entire litter (including the red pups). Ask for parents full registered names and copy of pedigrees. Ask if she's applied for the pups AKC papers yet and get the pups litter registration number. Ask how many litters dad has sired (if he's sired more than 3 litters in one year or more than a total of 7 litters, he should have DNA on file already - it's required). Hopefully he does have DNA on file already and if so, get a copy of his DNA papers.

If you are still not happy with the pup after getting all this information (get all the info first, reg numbers, photos, dna papers), and she still insists that you have to take this pup or no pup at all, tell her that you hope she doesn't mind if you contact AKC just to verify that the information she's given you is correct (and be sure she's in good standing with AKC). If dad does have DNA on file, tell her that if you do take the pup, you intend on DNA'ing the pup to verify parentage because the pup doesn't look like a show quality yorkie; it looks like a mix of something.

Hopefully that will change her mind and she'll give you your money back just to get rid of you ;-) I'm sure she doesn't want AKC to see any red flags or question her reputation.

Otherwise, small claims court would be an option, if you have all the facts in writing via e-mails to back you up. You could also complain to the Better Business Bureau.

Good luck ... sorry this happend to you.

Absolutely the best advice :thumbup::thumbup: I hope you stand firm. This is happening way too often and we all need to stop taking it. Good Luck getting your money back and I hope you don't accept another puppy from her. Take your money, do some research for a good breeder close to you and find that beautiful puppy just waiting for you.

bcrass2 03-28-2009 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkieMom90 (Post 2545886)
i found out later from someone that works at my vet's office that she has had several lawsuits because of mulitple dead horses found on her property. she DID show her yorkies. that is the odd thing. apparently both parent's were shown. maybe something else just got mixed in??? i don't know....but i doubt i will ever see my money again. i was stupid enough not to get a bill of sale so i don't think i have any legal standing.

No you had a verbal contract! You take her to small claims court!! That's definitely pomeranian mix...

Nancy1999 03-28-2009 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 4doggiemama (Post 2547630)
Just because someone shows dogs doesn't make them ethical or honest or decent. About 7 miles from us we have an Australian Shepherd breeder who shows dogs. They have been busted multiple times for dead dogs, emaciated dogs, starved horses, dead horses. They've been busted twice in our country and they keep getting more dogs. I see the training equipment on their yard. It is horrible. The dogs were in over a foot feces and were eating the dead dogs. You can look into the barn when they have the side doors open and see cages clear to the top where the roof starts. And they have horses again. This time when they were busted I heard that they will be able to get the dogs back if they can prove that they will take care of them. What is that???????:eek::eek::eek: And they are show people.....show their Australian Shepherds. I cringe every time someone generalizes and says show people are good breeders. Our small community know different.:( You have to go see what is going on.


This is so true, anyone can show, it doesn't mean anything to be a show breeder. You can be a show breeder, and not have won anything also. The very best breeders belong to the mother club of the AKC and for yorkies, that's the Yorkshire Terrier Club of American (YTCA). They have the highest standards and ethics, and since they also show, many call them show breeders, but they should not be grouped with any breeder who decides to show. Breeders enter the show ring, for a variety of reasons, so just being a "show breeder" doesn't indicate very much in regards to quality, or ethics.

YorkieMom90 03-28-2009 06:45 PM

GOOD NEWS!!!
We did not back down and threatened to contact an attorney. the lady gave all of my money back. i still don't believe her pups are purebred and i am guessing she will sell them as akc...
she said she has dogs in the ring right now...but...
well..thanks for your help!!!

Dara311 03-28-2009 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieMom90 (Post 2545940)
okay. thanks for the advice. i just don't want to be sued for slanderous statements...but everything i said is true!!!! besides i don't think she would want to go to court...and have them investigate her thoroughly. :)
thanks for all the advice...i LOVE yorkietalk!!!


you should sue her for saying that those are YORKIES, when they really aren't! :thumbdown:eek:

AprilLove 03-28-2009 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieMom90 (Post 2548532)
GOOD NEWS!!!
We did not back down and threatened to contact an attorney. the lady gave all of my money back. i still don't believe her pups are purebred and i am guessing she will sell them as akc...
she said she has dogs in the ring right now...but...
well..thanks for your help!!!


Thats great news that you got your money back. Now run as fast as you can the opposite way from this breeder, lol :thumbdown:thumbdown

FlDebra 03-28-2009 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YorkieMom90 (Post 2548532)
GOOD NEWS!!!
We did not back down and threatened to contact an attorney. the lady gave all of my money back. i still don't believe her pups are purebred and i am guessing she will sell them as akc...
she said she has dogs in the ring right now...but...
well..thanks for your help!!!

That is good news! Now I would still follow up and send the photos and a brief unbiased outline of the facts of this transaction to AKC. Someone needs to stop her before an unsuspecting person buys a dog from her expecting it to be something it is not.

Glad you held your ground and at least got your money refunded!

miabellaamoure 03-28-2009 10:01 PM

Exactly what I was thinking..."BAIT & SWITCH"...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitzis Mom (Post 2547624)
This sounds like a common scam to me! It's called 'bait and switch'.

IMO you still have a legal standing. Just keep all the emails or maybe tape a conversation with her where she admits that the puppy you wanted died and you have to take another one and she doesn't want to give all your money back.

I'm so sad to hear the same thing over and over again and all on the innocent backs of animals and trusting people...:mad:

I totally agree here that you're about to be the victim of a "BAIT & SWITCH" scam...run fast, run, run, run away!!!:eek:

Pom+Yorkie=Porkie...not a good look, imho:rolleyes:

YorkieOwned5 03-28-2009 10:29 PM

Hey, Besure if you tell her you want the next pick of the litter that you want it to be a YORKIE LITTER!!!!!!!!! No some halfbreed or mixture of something.... Haven't you ever SEEN a YORKIE PUPPY??????? They all look basically the same with the same marking unless they are some thro off that is red, blonde, black etc.. Go after the Bi---... I am sick of these people ripping off you guys............geeze what is this world coming to... How much did she charge you for the dog?? Goo luck, where is this place located anyway???

mscat 03-28-2009 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YorkieMom90 (Post 2548532)
GOOD NEWS!!!
We did not back down and threatened to contact an attorney. the lady gave all of my money back. i still don't believe her pups are purebred and i am guessing she will sell them as akc...
she said she has dogs in the ring right now...but...
well..thanks for your help!!!

I am so happy you got all your money back ! those puppies you showed us honestly looked to me like little poms. They were definately not Yorkie babies. At least u were refunded. PLease be very careful next time. It is so important to go to a breeders home and see the parents of the puppies and talk to the breeder face to face. Maybe this one really just sent u the wrong pictures. I do not know.
All ended well for you, and that is what was important. :thumbup:

YorkieOwned5 03-28-2009 11:25 PM

Why dosen't someone from Oregon call the animal welfare department out there and report her????? There is a county unit that investigates these kinds of claims. I was on teh site LilBitOfHeaven and looks to me like they are move involved in horses and cows etc. Will someone PLEASE CALL SOMEBODY OUT THERE????? This is rediculous !!!!!!


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