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andibaby 03-10-2009 09:25 AM
Biewer breeders-Can you recognize?
 
I know you are protective of your babies. Please help-how did they end up at auction??? Do you know these breeders???

Look at March 28th and April 11th Auctions in link below!

Upcoming Auctions

bchgirl 03-10-2009 09:32 AM
I'm very involved on a biewer forum...I do not recognize that breeder's name. I'll cross post your thread...

It's a sad fact that greeders have discovered these wonderful little dogs. :(

andibaby 03-10-2009 09:35 AM
Thanks! It is very sad. It doesn't take long for a breed to get in the wrong hands. It makes me really sad. I have wanted one for awhile and they are just tossing them out to auction like its no big deal. :(

jencar98 03-10-2009 09:48 AM
It is sad, the greeders are already exploiting a breed that up until a few years ago was almost unknown - they are quick to jump on the next money train!:mad:

BonBon 03-10-2009 09:53 AM
How / why does a dog end up at auction? Is an auction mainly a means for breeders or millers to bring in new stock? Sorry for the questions but I've been curious about this for awhile.

jencar98 03-10-2009 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 2512914)
How / why does a dog end up at auction? Is an auction mainly a means for breeders or millers to bring in new stock? Sorry for the questions but I've been curious about this for awhile.
Generally they are called "breeders auctions" and you're supposed to be a breeder to even buy a dog. And, yes they are primarily for breeders to buy new stock. Though the ones I've been to never checked to see if you were a breeder or had a USDA license - anyone could buy a dog. But there are mostly breeders there, rescues and a few individuals buying a puppy.

BamaFan121s 03-10-2009 10:01 AM
On one of the links (March 28th, I think) there is a picture of a dog...a white French Bulldog?...that looks seriously....wrong? for lack of better words. The dog's back legs are twice as long as the front legs! :eek: Surely that is not normal for that kind of dog? :confused:

I feel sorry for all these little ones. :( No, I do not know any of the Biewer owners listed. I would certainly give them a good piece of my mind if it did! :mad:

scrapindee 03-10-2009 10:37 AM
This is terrible. The biewer clubs' rescues don't have the money it will take to rescue these many dogs. I wonder if they are getting the dogs for these auctions from Germany. Most of the U.S. Biewer breeders make their buyers jump through hoops--sad, very sad.

andibaby 03-10-2009 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by scrapindee (Post 2512985)
This is terrible. The biewer clubs' rescues don't have the money it will take to rescue these many dogs. I wonder if they are getting the dogs for these auctions from Germany. Most of the U.S. Biewer breeders make their buyers jump through hoops--sad, very sad.
I agree. It is very sad. I am not sure where they are getting them. That is why I was wondering if anyone knew the breeders/kennel. I think owners should have to prove they are worthy to breeders, to ensure the best placement of their babies. It helps break the cycle if animals are placed in good homes. JMO.

BonBon 03-10-2009 11:17 AM
Please see my post on Andi's other thread titled 'Please Read...". Thanks.

kpstoybox 03-10-2009 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by andibaby (Post 2513032)
I agree. It is very sad. I am not sure where they are getting them. That is why I was wondering if anyone knew the breeders/kennel. I think owners should have to prove they are worthy to breeders, to ensure the best placement of their babies. It helps break the cycle if animals are placed in good homes. JMO.
Look on Puppyfind.com and you will see where many of these dogs are coming from. Many of the Biewers listed are cheap, badly bred and are easily getting into the wrong hands. Many are splitters. About a year ago..there were only 3 to 4 pages of Biewer pups listed for sale. Today there are 13 pages.

Sugar's Mom 03-10-2009 11:44 AM
this is so sad. it has gotten to the point where I won't sell a puppy to anyone in Missouri. I would have to know you really well. I sold one about two years ago to a very nice couple who said they wanted mine because all the dogs they had seen in Missouri were from puppymills. I have worried over that little dog ever since wondering if those people lied to me,.

BonBon 03-10-2009 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 2513085)
this is so sad. it has gotten to the point where I won't sell a puppy to anyone in Missouri. I would have to know you really well. I sold one about two years ago to a very nice couple who said they wanted mine because all the dogs they had seen in Missouri were from puppymills. I have worried over that little dog ever since wondering if those people lied to me,.
I'm really learning a lot here today. What's a splitter?

Obie 03-10-2009 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 2513098)
I'm really learning a lot here today. What's a splitter?
In Germany, they strongly believe in breeding the Yorkshire terrier with the Biewer terrier. First generation will produce the standard yorkshire terrier. An offspring from that litter will give you a split percentage in some biewers and some standard yorkies. These are called splitters. They carry the gene to produce the biewers.

scrapindee 03-10-2009 02:12 PM
Most of the breeders I know, make sure that their puppies are going to real homes, not puppy mills. I think if any breeder knowingly sells to a puppy mill, they should be outted. I google earth every application for a puppy if I can't go to see a home, found a few kennels that way--and didn't sell any puppies to those folks.

calaryn yorkies 03-10-2009 02:26 PM
Dee is right.

I google phone numbers and many times a person who inquired who says they just want a pet, their phone number turns up pages and pages of many breeds, designer breeds, many states, etc.

A few times the address given turned out to be an empty lot or a business district.

It is amazing how much information you can find when googling the phone number, the address, the name, etc.

Try googling your self or your spouse or a friend and see how much comes up. It's amazing. AND a wonderful tool to help screen those who inquire about your puppies. It sure helps me identify and rule out a lot of people who end up on my "Alert list".

Micah my love 03-10-2009 03:24 PM
I was invited to go with a friend to the southwest auction in wheaton,mo
a few years ago, i will never forget that day for the rest of my life i was expecting to see beautiful dogs no that is not what you see what i saw was cages after cages crammed full of dogs some with no teeth some looked very sick and one without a leg and most without food or water
unless you go there to rescue don't go i wish that i never did


Betty & Micah my love:aimeeyork

BamaFan121s 03-10-2009 03:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scrapindee (Post 2513417)
I google earth every application for a puppy if I can't go to see a home, found a few kennels that way--and didn't sell any puppies to those folks.
That is an excellent idea! :thumbup:

BonBon 03-11-2009 04:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2513224)
In Germany, they strongly believe in breeding the Yorkshire terrier with the Biewer terrier. First generation will produce the standard yorkshire terrier. An offspring from that litter will give you a split percentage in some biewers and some standard yorkies. These are called splitters. They carry the gene to produce the biewers.
Great explanation. Thank you.


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