YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community

YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community (https://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/index.php)
-   General Yorkshire Terrier Discussion (https://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/general-yorkshire-terrier-discussion/)
-   -   Reading an APRI registration ( my first one) (https://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/general-yorkshire-terrier-discussion/159566-reading-apri-registration-my-first-one.html)

chloesMama 01-22-2009 12:07 AM
Reading an APRI registration ( my first one)
 
Chloe's parents are both dual registered. I just received papers today to send in to register her. But I am getting confused on how to read the APRI reg. number. I get most of it but I don't know how to read the sex's in the litter.

For example D08-YY-AB-12345D ....I know the D08 is the month and year and AB means Yorkie and the last is the reg. number and her place in the litter was 4th , correct. But does YY mean two girls were born?On the web site it says count from Z,Y and that= 2 males but then it said WXYZ = 4 females ???? what???:confused: I do not get that part at all. How do you know if its males or females born to a litter?

I have never read an APRI reg. before before and I am a bit confused.

KimberlySRN 01-22-2009 10:38 AM
Sorry I am not sure, but someone here has to know?:confused:

yorkiegirl2 01-22-2009 01:38 PM
I believe
D08-YY-AB-12345D

D month she was born (APRIL)
08 year (2008)

YY (I believe the first Y is males and the second Y is females)
Meaning 2 males and 2 females

AB (Yorkshire Terrier)

12345 (Registration NO.)

D ( 4th pup born)

A= pup 1
B= pup 2
C= pup 3
D= pup 4

So if I'm reading it right there were 4 pups born in the litter and your girl was the last one born.

Nancy1999 01-22-2009 02:00 PM
Are you planning on breeding? I always recommend that someone register their dog with the AKC if illegible even if they aren't planning on breeding and showing. The AKC has strict requirements for registration, and is the only registry that does regular unannounced inspections. I believe it's also the only registry that has a suspension list. As states are passing more laws raising kennel conditions, the AKC has more power to suspend breeders who break state laws. These breeders have to go somewhere and many are going to the alternative registries. Any breeder can list with the alternative registries, and you do not have to prove you had breeding rights, and you cannot refuse breeding rights to a new owner. This really is a bad situation. Here's some information about APRI:

Quote:

APRI - AMERICA'S PET REGISTRY INC. Advertises free registration for commercial breeders. Non Profit 'dedicated to the preservation of the professional pet industry', dogs and cats. Founded by retailers of pets (commercial breeders and resellers). Registries

Unless, you feel like there is some reason that you would like to support APRI, there is really no purpose for registering your dog with them. You are just supporting commercial breeders, also known as puppy mills.

Bentleys Momma 01-22-2009 02:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2432638)
Are you planning on breeding? I always recommend that someone register their dog with the AKC if illegible even if they aren't planning on breeding and showing. The AKC has strict requirements for registration, and is the only registry that does regular unannounced inspections. I believe it's also the only registry that has a suspension list. As states are passing more laws raising kennel conditions, the AKC has more power to suspend breeders who break state laws. These breeders have to go somewhere and many are going to the alternative registries. Any breeder can list with the alternative registries, and you do not have to prove you had breeding rights, and you cannot refuse breeding rights to a new owner. This really is a bad situation. Here's some information about APRI:




Unless, you feel like there is some reason that you would like to support APRI, there is really no purpose for registering your dog with them. You are just supporting commercial breeders, also known as puppy mills.
May I ask a question on this? I have Bentley. He came with AKC papers. He is a pet quality dog which is exactly what I wanted. I have no intentions of breeding him and actually just put his papers to the side and was not going to send them in. If I do not plan to breed him, why do you recommend registering him? I can...that is not a problem. I just figured why? Can you help me understand?

Thx!

Nancy1999 01-22-2009 03:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bentleys Momma (Post 2432756)
May I ask a question on this? I have Bentley. He came with AKC papers. He is a pet quality dog which is exactly what I wanted. I have no intentions of breeding him and actually just put his papers to the side and was not going to send them in. If I do not plan to breed him, why do you recommend registering him? I can...that is not a problem. I just figured why? Can you help me understand?

Thx!
Like I said in the above post I believe in the work the AKC is doing, the $20.00 it costs to register is a one time life fee, and this money helps support kennel inspections. It also help keep breeders honest because many have said that dogs were eligible to be registered when indeed they were not. Furthermore, it tells the AKC exactly, how many dogs a year the breeder is actually having. DNA tests and home inspections are required over a certain number and some breeders don't encourage you to register due to this. When you register a dog, your dog will forever be categorized in a specific line. I am hopeful that these records will, in the future, be an aid to scientists who wish to learn more about certain genetic conditions. This sort of thing has already happened with humans when there were good records taken.

Bentleys Momma 01-22-2009 03:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2432803)
Like I said in the above post I believe in the work the AKC is doing, the $20.00 it costs to register is a one time life fee, and this money helps support kennel inspections. It also help keep breeders honest because many have said that dogs were eligible to be registered when indeed they were not. Furthermore, it tells the AKC exactly, how many dogs a year the breeder is actually having. DNA tests and home inspections are required over a certain number and some breeders don't encourage you to register due to this. When you register a dog, your dog will forever be categorized in a specific line. I am hopeful that these records will, in the future, be an aid to scientists who wish to learn more about certain genetic conditions. This sort of thing has already happened with humans when there were good records taken.
I appreciate this information. I truly just saw the AKC more for breeders and show owners and didn't think "we", the little pet owners, mattered when it came to the paperwork. But I definitely understand the monitoring of breeders and not wanting them to have too many litters which could be unhealthy for the momma. Thanks again!!! I will am definitely reconsidering my position.

Nancy1999 01-22-2009 03:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bentleys Momma (Post 2432841)
I appreciate this information. I truly just saw the AKC more for breeders and show owners and didn't think "we", the little pet owners, mattered when it came to the paperwork. But I definitely understand the monitoring of breeders and not wanting them to have too many litters which could be unhealthy for the momma. Thanks again!!! I will am definitely reconsidering my position.
Oh great, I've always wondered why so many people didn't register them, I'm glad you told me your point of view. I know lots of breeders discourage it, and I had one who told me once many years ago, it would cost several hundred dollars to register my new puppy. I took her word for it, and didn't bother, but now I realize she may have not even had breeding rights.

yorkiegirl2 01-22-2009 04:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2432638)
Unless, you feel like there is some reason that you would like to support APRI, there is really no purpose for registering your dog with them. You are just supporting commercial breeders, also known as puppy mills.
This statement I'll have to disagree with.
Because AKC also supports commercial breeders.
They were in Goodwin Mo and patting the biggest puppy broker Hunte's Corp
(which buys these commercial bred dogs) on the back and telling them what a fine job they were doing.
These dogs are then sent to pet stores all over the US.

AKC is a registery keeper they do not care if one breeds health problems or to the standard.

And any registery is only as good, as the breeder is honest.

Nancy1999 01-22-2009 04:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 2432969)
This statement I'll have to disagree with.
Because AKC also supports commercial breeders.
They were in Goodwin Mo and patting the biggest puppy broker Hunte's Corp
(which buys these commercial bred dogs) on the back and telling them what a fine job they were doing.
These dogs are then sent to pet stores all over the US.

AKC is a registery keeper they do not care if one breeds health problems or to the standard.

And any registery is only as good, as the breeder is honest.

AKC does do inspections of commercial breeders and have suspended many. These commercial breeders have banded together and formed APRL, they own it, do you believe that they would be inclined to suspend themselves? This is just to fool the uneducated buyer who wants a "registered" dog. Many don't understand all registries were not created equally. The AKC is far from perfect, but that can't do more than state law allows.

yorkiegirl2 01-22-2009 05:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2432985)
AKC does do inspections of commercial breeders and have suspended many. These commercial breeders have banded together and formed APRL, they own it, do you believe that they would be inclined to suspend themselves? This is just to fool the uneducated buyer who wants a "registered" dog. Many don't understand all registries were not created equally. The AKC is far from perfect, but that can't do more than state law allows.
There are not enough inspector to inspect all commercial kennels that is why AKC teamed up with USDA to help.
And how many breeders get by for years before getting caught doing something wrong or if they ever do.

AKC is not going to swab every dogs mouth in a kennel it would cost to much so even if you have an AKC registration on the dog doesn't mean the parents stated on the papers are the correct ones.

How about the fact, that say someone has a litter but back dates the the birth so they can sell them sooner and they appear small.

Ever thought about the fact that some limit because maybe the parents are not who they say they are and the person who bought is not likely to complain... no need to if you bought a pet pup.

AKC catches some of these breeder but how many are left unchecked.

Goes back to the honesty of the breeders breeding.

CGP 01-22-2009 05:30 PM
:thumbup:

ILOVEYORKIES2 01-22-2009 07:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2432638)
Are you planning on breeding? I always recommend that someone register their dog with the AKC if illegible even if they aren't planning on breeding and showing. The AKC has strict requirements for registration, and is the only registry that does regular unannounced inspections. I believe it's also the only registry that has a suspension list. As states are passing more laws raising kennel conditions, the AKC has more power to suspend breeders who break state laws. These breeders have to go somewhere and many are going to the alternative registries. Any breeder can list with the alternative registries, and you do not have to prove you had breeding rights, and you cannot refuse breeding rights to a new owner. This really is a bad situation. Here's some information about APRI:




Unless, you feel like there is some reason that you would like to support APRI, there is really no purpose for registering your dog with them. You are just supporting commercial breeders, also known as puppy mills.

You are quite wrong. APRI is not one of the alternative registries, they are a great registry, just as good if not better then AKC.
AKC supports more puppy millls then all other registries combined and they are begging all breeders to come back because they are hurting for money. I heard tell a group of breeders last year that if they were not imbreeding that they were doing it all wrong. What kind of message is that?
Also, brokers pay more for an AKC puppy so puppy mills regular use AKC so they make more money.
There is no registry that makes one dog better then another. EVER!

chloesMama 01-22-2009 07:57 PM
Thank you . I could not for the life of me figure the YY part out. :rolleyes:

While I am not going to breed or show her , I am planning on registering her. The AKC and the CKC were the only two registries I had heard of until I bought Chloe . I had not heard of APRI until then.

Question , If a dog is registered w/ APRI can they also be registered with AKC ? If AKC registration is available should I just do one (AKC) or dual registration?

Thanks again.

CGP 01-22-2009 08:00 PM
You are quite wrong. APRI is not one of the alternative registries, they are a great registry, just as good if not better then AKC.
AKC supports more puppy millls then all other registries combined and they are begging all breeders to come back because they are hurting for money. I heard tell a group of breeders last year that if they were not imbreeding that they were doing it all wrong. What kind of message is that?
Also, brokers pay more for an AKC puppy so puppy mills regular use AKC so they make more money.
There is no registry that makes one dog better then another. EVER


I totally AGREE with !!!!!!! The BLOODLINE is the Bloodline whether it is AKC OR APRI....some have started with AKC then dual registered with another registery and just because they changed the registery DID NOT change the Bloodline of the Yorkie......it is for the same blood it was born with!!!!!!!!!

yorkiegirl2 01-22-2009 09:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chloesMama (Post 2433340)
Thank you . I could not for the life of me figure the YY part out. :rolleyes:

While I am not going to breed or show her , I am planning on registering her. The AKC and the CKC were the only two registries I had heard of until I bought Chloe . I had not heard of APRI until then.

Question , If a dog is registered w/ APRI can they also be registered with AKC ? If AKC registration is available should I just do one (AKC) or dual registration?

Thanks again.
No,
AKC will only register a dog born of akc parents.
APRI will duel register an akc dog.
Since your pup is APRI just register throught them, and if you decide to
Show APRI does have dog shows.
They judge the dog on it own merits and not pit the dogs against other dogs or who is at the end of a lead.

CGP 01-22-2009 09:23 PM
APRI also is more strict with the dog that is showing in the ring...all dogs being shown have to be micro chipped and when they leave the showring the micro chip is scanned and also DNA (pull a few hairs) is placed with the judging papers.They know for sure that the dog entered in the show is the dog showing in the ring! The dog also has to have a Health certifacte before entering the ring.....AKC does none of this!

chloesMama 01-22-2009 09:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 2433402)
No,
AKC will only register a dog born of akc parents.
APRI will duel register an akc dog.
Since your pup is APRI just register throught them, and if you decide to
Show APRI does have dog shows.
They judge the dog on it own merits and not pit the dogs against other dogs or who is at the end of a lead.

One of Chloe's parent's is AKC registered and (I think )APRI registered as well and one is only APRI registered.( I think this is how I read it -I will reread to be sure) So since only one parent is AKC registered I cannot register with AKC , correct?

I am going to register her with APRI . I just wanted to find out if I was to do AKC as well. I have no problem with the registries , I just never knew any existed besides AKC /CKC before hand.

I don't have any plans on showing her. I can hardly keep her from looking like a hot mess most of the time :D Showing her is way beyond my zone right now!

Ladymom 01-22-2009 09:33 PM
It is stated right on their website that the APRI was formed to protect the interests of the professional (retailers, wholesalers, brokers, and commercial kennels) pet industry. :thumbdown

https://www.aprpets.org/FAQs.html

CGP 01-22-2009 09:36 PM
The mama probably has AKC registered heritage because most all APRI registerd dogs were AKC first...When dual registering with APRI you MUST also Send a pedigree, unless both parents are already APRI and if they are then there is already a pedigree behind you puppy.

chloesMama 01-22-2009 09:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CGP (Post 2433433)
The mama probably has AKC registered heritage because most all APRI registerd dogs were AKC first...When dual registering with APRI you MUST also Send a pedigree, unless both parents are already APRI and if they are then there is already a pedigree behind you puppy.

Yes both her parents are APRI registered and I believe the dad is AKC registered also. I received her papers the other day and was looking up her family tree and it was very fun to see them all . I know her dad and granddad were Champions but I don't know about her mom's side , I don't think so.

No matter what I love her to pieces :D . I am trying to think up a formal name for her....That's a hard job !

ILOVEYORKIES2 01-22-2009 10:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2433423)
It is stated right on their website that the APRI was formed to protect the interests of the professional (retailers, wholesalers, brokers, and commercial kennels) pet industry. :thumbdown

https://www.aprpets.org/FAQs.html

And AKC stands for American KENNEL Club. So what do you think they were started for? Everyone is mad because APRI is just as good as AKC and have taken a bunch of business away from AKC. APRI does have the right to inspect your dogs and papers just like AKC has the right to.
From what I have heard that AKC is going to start or have already started accepting other registries that have a proven background. Sounds like they need money.

CGP 01-22-2009 10:08 PM
Several generation back in the dams line, I bet you will also find AKC...If you have her APRI pedigree, you can search the names with AKC.

CGP 01-22-2009 10:11 PM
I also like APRI much better than AKC.

chloesMama 01-22-2009 11:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CGP (Post 2433463)
Several generation back in the dams line, I bet you will also find AKC...If you have her APRI pedigree, you can search the names with AKC.

Thanks , I will look. :D I'm having as much fun searching Chloe's family tree as I did searching mine.

CGP 01-22-2009 11:19 PM
:):thumbup: YES, I really enjoy searching the pedigrees also and you will be surprised at what you can find!


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:56 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2003 - 2018 YorkieTalk.com
Privacy Policy - Terms of Use


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 751 752 753 754 755 756 757 758 759 760 761 762 763 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 789 790 791 792 793 794 795 796 797 798 799 800 801 802 803 804 805 806 807 808 809 810 811 812 813 814 815 816 817 818 819 820 821 822 823 824 825 826 827 828 829 830 831 832 833 834 835 836 837 838 839 840 841 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 860 861 862 863 864 865 866 867 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 895 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 961 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 1012 1013 1014 1015 1016 1017 1018 1019 1020 1021 1022 1023 1024 1025 1026 1027 1028 1029 1030 1031 1032 1033 1034 1035 1036 1037 1038 1039 1040 1041 1042 1043 1044 1045 1046 1047 1048 1049 1050 1051 1052 1053 1054 1055 1056 1057 1058 1059 1060 1061 1062 1063 1064 1065 1066 1067 1068 1069 1070 1071 1072 1073 1074 1075 1076 1077 1078 1079 1080 1081 1082 1083 1084 1085 1086 1087 1088 1089 1090 1091 1092 1093 1094 1095 1096 1097 1098 1099 1100 1101 1102 1103 1104 1105 1106 1107 1108 1109 1110 1111 1112 1113 1114 1115 1116 1117 1118 1119 1120 1121 1122 1123 1124 1125 1126 1127 1128 1129 1130 1131 1132 1133 1134 1135 1136 1137 1138 1139 1140 1141 1142 1143 1144 1145 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1151 1152 1153 1154 1155 1156 1157 1158 1159 1160 1161 1162 1163 1164 1165 1166 1167 1168