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Ethics questions I met this lady through work and we have worked on several projects together and I have met her two boys (7 and 10). They are great kids, but really not nice to animals. I was finally able to show her my yorkie right before finals time and she was instantly in love and wanted one. I told her that I would let my breeder know she was interested. I did what I said and my breeder left me a message today saying that she wanted to ask me a few questions because she had young boys and wanted to know if I knew anything. I don't want to bad mouth her kids. They are great boys with people, but even she admits that they are rough with animals. She is really specific about it being under 5lbs too, which just leads me to worry about the yorkie. I did tell her about yorkies being fragile and she just said that dogs can take a lot more than we give them credit. Which I guess is true. I have just seen first hand and heard stories about her boys and I don't know what I should tell my breeder. Any advice would be appreciated. |
Without knowing the person and her kids personally, just from what you have said, it sounds like she may be in denial about the severity of her childrens behavior. Hurting animals is one step that can lead into some very serious problems with children. Not saying their situation may be this severe, it's quite possible that it's not. But she needs to work on that situation before getting any pet, especially a dog as small as a yorkie. |
It sounds like they need a bigger breed of dog. Yorkies even large ones dont do well with rough housing. I would be honest with your breeder |
the truth if you feel that there is a possibility that her sons can hurt the poor little yorkie then its not worth it. im sure your breeder would appreciate you telling the truth also.. the whole point of your coworker getting a dog is so that it can be loved and cared for (im not saying that the pup wont be loved), but if theres a problem with kids then maybe she should wait until her kids are mature enough to handle a dog. |
A 5 lb dog may be appropriate for your co-worker, but with the information you have shared, it is not appropriate for her two sons. Young boys and girls for that matter can play quite roughly with animals and although dogs are quite resilient, Yorkies can also be very delicate at this weight. There just isn't much to them. 5 lbs is very tiny for children to play with. You already know all of this - I'm just supporting you.;) So regarding the ethics of the situation, be honest with the breeder but don't offer anything more than the facts you have. She can form her own opinion and I suspect that she already has somewhat or she wouldn't have called you. Leave the decision to the breeder, it's her responsibility to home her babies appropriately. Good luck with your co-worker. |
I really think you should be totally honest with the breeder about what you know about the children. You would not be able to live with yourself if the breeder sold this lady a puppy and the puppy died because of something the boys did. A tiny yorkie puppy that is going to be under five pounds is very fragile and not the best pet for rowdy boys. imo |
I see nothing wrong with telling the breeder that the kids are rough with animals. I'm sure any reputable breeder would want to know the truth about where their puppies are going. Then she can decide if she wants to sell them a puppy. Answering someone's question honestly isn't "bad mouthing" someone else. |
I just think the kids don't acknowledge that animals are in pain. They had a beautiful golden retriever and the boys would just torture her to the point of her yelping. She only retaliated on them once and they had her for a year. Immediately they got rid of her, which I guess I can understand but she never blames her boys. I just know my breeder will say no once I tell her and then my work associate will know that I said something. I guess it doesn't matter as long as the dogs are okay. |
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I wouldn't want that lady having one of my dogs(if I bred). Those kids are old enough to know how to behave with animals. Heck, when my 6 year old g-daughter was 2, I wouldn't have had a problem letting her even hold my 1 1/2 lbs biewer. She has always been taught from very young how to love animals, her problem is that she loves them too much and is always wanting to love on them. My grandson is 9 and he's the same way, the would never even think of doing anything to hurt a animal period! When Kyleigh(the g-daughter) was 3 or 4, she had a little cage, she would chase lizzards(called them her little buddies) and catch them and put them in the little cage...If you can't teach your kids to respect not just a little dog, but even a big one, then they don't deserve to have one. Sorry jmo |
As a breeder myself I do check references (every one of them) and I ask alot of questions. I pray that those people I talk to are honest with me and that they know I only have the best interest of my babies in mind. I also talk with the perspetive owners vet and ask alot of questions including wanting to know if one of their pets have ever been brought in with an injury that may have been cause by any type of neglect or abuse. As a breeder I depend a great deal on what references have to say and even more on my heart which is what it sounds like your breeder is doing. Be honest with her even if it means she doesn't get one of your breeders babies. In the long run you will feel better about yourself knowing that you have kept a small furbaby from possibly being harmed. As I know your breeder will be very thankful for your honesty, I know I would. |
I just spoke with my breeder and told her that her boys were a little rough. She said that she had already paid a home visit which I didn't know about and that is why she was concerned. Thanks for the advice. I just didn't want to assume the boys would hurt it. |
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Sounds like your breeder already knew and you just confirmed it |
Good for the breeder for asking questions! I'm impressed! There are so many scoundrel breeders who don't give a crap what happends to the puppies. It makes me so mad. I'd say go with everyones advice. Or maybe you should talk some more with the lady about how fragile yorkies truly are..My yorkie female is about 7 lbs. and she's still pretty small. I mean if ppl think thats a big do they are crazy. In my opinion dogs shouldnt be much smaller than that, ever. I always thought i wanted a tiny dog but it would be like caring for a puppy for the rest of your life, always making sure you don't crush it in the recliner, step on it etc. Kids sometimes just don't comprehend these things. I mean did you all read the post about the kids killing the kitten and hanging it in a tree? Thats horrible!!! |
I would give the breeder my honest opinion and at the same time suggest to the Mother of the boys that maybe she might give some thought to getting a Lab. Labs are very intelligent and are a very nice breed, have great personality and would make the boys a fine pet. Our neighbor has two labs and they are awesome. We may be getting one later :D our son also has one now and their two boys love it to pieces, our grand sons being 14 and 16 years of age. Whereever they are, you can be sure Sadie is right with them :) oops excuse me I just read they had to give a retriever away because the boys being mean to it, I would tell her not to get another, let the boys grow up and then when they are older would be best. |
Give the breeder your honest opinion(s) and perhaps have them suggest a larger dog. Most rescues will not adopt out Yorkies to families with children under 8 or 10 because of the risk of the children hurting the Yorkie. Bob |
Yes. A lab is a good idea. So is rather than spending hundreds of dollars on a yorkie, adopt one from the local pound. Black beauties go unnoticed for months in pounds. they need love too! |
I agree , you should be honest and up front with the breeder about the situation . I can see why you would be hesitant - no one wants to have a problem with a co-worker . But telling the breeder that the children are known to be rough with animals is in no way saying anything malicious about your co-workers children , your just being truthful..... A truth I'm sure your co-worker knows even if she chooses to "overlook" it. If her children can attack /provoke a Golden Ret. without fear of retaliation from either the dog or being punished by Mom , than the poor Yorkie wont stand a chance :( And I can't see that the Mom really cares for animals considering she lets her kids get away with hurting the dog and then blames the dog. If she can't watch a Golden , she can't watch a Yorkie JMO ;) |
I think you are in the clear. Your breeder doesn't have to "out" you, since she visited the house and had concerns of her own. It sounds to me like you did the right thing. They had a RETRIEVER, and got RID of it because it was provoked by these kids? Definitely not a home for a delicate, possibly excitable yorkie! I am not sure what this mother is thinking. I just saw on Animal Planet that Rottweilers can be excellent family pets. Apparently they are very patient with children. It sounds like the family needs a very sturdy, patient dog. If they need a dog at all. Maybe you should suggest fish! |
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