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jdonica 10-04-2008 01:32 PM
Biewer Help Please!
 
I have been doing some research on Biewers and would love to get one a little later down the line. I ran across this ad and this pup doesn't look alot different than Harley. Most of the pups I have seen are almost all white with just a little black. Could someone tell me if they think this is legit or misrepresentation?

Jeri and Harley

5 Month Old Yorkie Needs New Home - Nashville Dogs & Puppies For Sale - Kijiji Nashville, Tennessee

baileysmom31 10-04-2008 01:47 PM
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I can't say for sure, but I would think this may be a splitter pup (one parent yorkie, one parent Biewer). Here is a link to the Biewer standard. Standard

Just thought I would share my baby Darbee with you

Kelz 10-04-2008 01:51 PM
i think the $475 is what throws me off.. he could be a spiltter but you never know

baileysmom31 10-04-2008 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelz (Post 2267845)
i think the $475 is what throws me off.. he could be a spiltter but you never know
Yes, I have to agree. That is really cheap for a Biewer!

jdonica 10-04-2008 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelz (Post 2267845)
i think the $475 is what throws me off.. he could be a spiltter but you never know
The price threw me too, which is the main reason I say I want one eventually! I realize that there will be some variations to coloring, but I thought that they all had the four white feet? There was also the link below which is a beautiful puppy and more what I think of when I think Biewer and he is listed as a "spotted yorkie". It seems like the more I try to learn, the more confused I get.

YORKIE Tri-colored Male puppy born August 6, 2008 - registered - Nashville Dogs & Puppies For Sale - Kijiji Nashville, Tennessee

Jeri and Harley:aimeeyork

jdonica 10-04-2008 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by baileysmom31 (Post 2267833)
I can't say for sure, but I would think this may be a splitter pup (one parent yorkie, one parent Biewer). Here is a link to the Biewer standard. Standard

Just thought I would share my baby Darbee with you
Your Darbee is georgous! I really want my next purchase to be a girl. Since my daughter is a sports fanatic, I want a furbaby that I can girl out! Although Harley does love his carrier which has a hot pink liner!! lol

Jeri and Harley:aimeeyork

baileysmom31 10-04-2008 02:04 PM
The standard for coloring is:

"Coloring of the coat of the trunk and the head piece are as follows: Rather white or blue-white broken or closely blue absolute, or black, without brown coloring. Hair on the breast, pure white on the belly, and the legs. The head with white-blue-gold, symmetrical colored."

There are lots of great Biewer sites if you need more information.

baileysmom31 10-04-2008 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jdonica (Post 2267872)
Your Darbee is georgous! I really want my next purchase to be a girl. Since my daughter is a sports fanatic, I want a furbaby that I can girl out! Although Harley does love his carrier which has a hot pink liner!! lol

Jeri and Harley:aimeeyork
Thanks Jeri. We just love our Darb's. Hope you can find the baby you are looking for.

cesar49 10-04-2008 05:06 PM
if a splitter looks like a biewer, they can call it a biewer:)

AprilLove 10-04-2008 06:34 PM
I would run the other way :eek: IF that is a splitter, most reputable breeders that have splitters, are very very careful where they end up, and don't put them out there with breeding rights.

There are many good responsible Biewer breeders in the USA now. I would suggest doing a google search on Biewer breeders, and then talk to them and go see them if possible.

AprilLove 10-04-2008 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by baileysmom31 (Post 2267833)
I can't say for sure, but I would think this may be a splitter pup (one parent yorkie, one parent Biewer). Here is a link to the Biewer standard. Standard

Just thought I would share my baby Darbee with you
Hey Darbster, you little sexy furbutt you ;);) Sissy sends kissies and huggles :D

scrapindee 10-04-2008 07:29 PM
My webmaster has updated my site with lots of new Biewer pictures and my trip to Germany. No splitters. A biewer is supposed to have 4 white lets and at least the tip of the tail.

cesar49 10-05-2008 01:40 AM
i agree that a true biewer will look like one and meet the color standards.
but my splitter is registered as a biewer and does not meet the color standards.. so there are lots of people probably selling biewers that are actually splitters...kathy has nice looking biewers that meet standards:)
but there is no other choice on the registry..
either biewer yorkie or yorkie...splitter is not a choice..:animal-pa

cesar49 10-05-2008 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by AprilLove (Post 2268240)
I would run the other way :eek: IF that is a splitter, most reputable breeders that have splitters, are very very careful where they end up, and don't put them out there with breeding rights.

There are many good responsible Biewer breeders in the USA now. I would suggest doing a google search on Biewer breeders, and then talk to them and go see them if possible.
her posting offers breeding rights for an additional $500. :eek:
hopefully she is being honest about the splitter thing because
i dont see white on this puppy

bchgirl 10-05-2008 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by cesar49 (Post 2268433)
her posting offers breeding rights for an additional $500. :eek:
hopefully she is being honest about the splitter thing because
i dont see white on this puppy
Not all splitters necessarily have white on them.

I agree there are lots of reputable biewer breeders out there with websites.

jdonica 10-05-2008 07:42 AM
Thinks for all the help guys! I think I'm going to email and just ask if this pup is a splitter. I have found lots of wonderful Biewer websites, just not any in my area. Right now, I am just enjoying my Harley whom I've only had for a couple of months but I eventually want to get him a friend!

Jeri and Harley:aimeeyork

phil tillmam 10-05-2008 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jdonica (Post 2267801)
I have been doing some research on Biewers and would love to get one a little later down the line. I ran across this ad and this pup doesn't look alot different than Harley. Most of the pups I have seen are almost all white with just a little black. Could someone tell me if they think this is legit or misrepresentation?

Jeri and Harley

5 Month Old Yorkie Needs New Home - Nashville Dogs & Puppies For Sale - Kijiji Nashville, Tennessee
I have six Biewers myself and I would say this is more than likely what is called a F1. Not a good price for a F1 and the additional $500.00 for breeding right is also unreasonable.

jdonica 10-06-2008 10:03 AM
To all of you that helped me with this thread, I just wanted to let you know that I did email the seller and ask if this baby was a splitter pup. She didn't know what "splitter" meant but told me the breeder labeled this pup as an F2 Biewer. Said dad is full biewer and that mom was gold, I'm assuming black and gold. Also said that if this pup was bred with another biewer that it would produce full blooded biewers? Not sure how that is genetically possible!

Jeri and Harley:aimeeyork

bchgirl 10-06-2008 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by jdonica (Post 2270319)
To all of you that helped me with this thread, I just wanted to let you know that I did email the seller and ask if this baby was a splitter pup. She didn't know what "splitter" meant but told me the breeder labeled this pup as an F2 Biewer. Said dad is full biewer and that mom was gold, I'm assuming black and gold. Also said that if this pup was bred with another biewer that it would produce full blooded biewers? Not sure how that is genetically possible!

Jeri and Harley:aimeeyork
F2 means a second generation breeding. You won't necessarily get biewer colored puppies from breeding a splitter to a biewer though. The splitter still has the dominate gene to offer. It is totally possible to get biewer colors and standard colors in one litter.

The term splitter is a commonly known term in the biewer world.

Tnyorkiemom 10-06-2008 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2270351)
F2 means a second generation breeding. You won't necessarily get biewer colored puppies from breeding a splitter to a biewer though. The splitter still has the dominate gene to offer. It is totally possible to get biewer colors and standard colors in one litter.

The term splitter is a commonly known term in the biewer world.
you explained that very well..

some do not understand that a biewer is still a yorkie....just that they carry the pie bald gene....if you have their DNA done it still comes up yorkie....

also the gold that was mentioned may be the golden gene carrier....

cesar49 10-06-2008 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jdonica (Post 2270319)
To all of you that helped me with this thread, I just wanted to let you know that I did email the seller and ask if this baby was a splitter pup. She didn't know what "splitter" meant but told me the breeder labeled this pup as an F2 Biewer. Said dad is full biewer and that mom was gold, I'm assuming black and gold. Also said that if this pup was bred with another biewer that it would produce full blooded biewers? Not sure how that is genetically possible!

Jeri and Harley:aimeeyork
only biewer to biewer is a purebred biewer.. but if the pups look like a biewer, they register them as biewers.. you can tell by looking..
she should not advertise him as a biewer without saying that he is a splitter.
is she a broker? she said she is not the breeder? brokers are not a good thing.. but it might be a great puppy.. i would go see for sure in person:aimeeyork before buying him..

Snow Yorkies 10-08-2008 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by cesar49 (Post 2271059)
only biewer to biewer is a purebred biewer.. but if the pups look like a biewer, they register them as biewers.. you can tell by looking..
she should not advertise him as a biewer without saying that he is a splitter.
is she a broker? she said she is not the breeder? brokers are not a good thing.. but it might be a great puppy.. i would go see for sure in person:aimeeyork before buying him..

Really Ceasar? And I am sorry but who told you this? The breed origin, Germany, still to this day registers by color, not by biewer to biewer breedings. Look to the registry history from Germany.
Just because people in here is the US decided to change the whole concept on what a biewer is doesn't mean it so.

The picture I seen is no Biewer, sorry. I have to agree with everyone else it might be a F2 as explained in other posts or as the breeder responded to the question.

xxmxaxrxyxx 10-09-2008 06:50 AM
he looks like either a yorkie or a maybe a parti gene carrier due to the white chest and chin like my Kioko...but don't take my word for it...heeh


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