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TammyJM 06-16-2008 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2053587)
I don't understand how breeding an off colored dog would enhance your "show lines." Apparently we have different ideas on the definition of a responsible breeder, however I do believe it's misleading to suggest that only those people who intend to "show" their pets should buy from breeders who follow the rules set forth by the YTCA. Very few non-breeders "show" pets.
I think Sue is referring to the show breeders that have the black/tan colors, along with some that also breed the "red leg"....even though the YTCA standards also consider this to be "off-colors" based on the newest written changes.

To the original poster, I think that you should do what you want and feel comfortable with.....but that's just my opinion.

Tammy

YorkyDiva 06-16-2008 04:27 PM
Sue (PineHaven) Again, thank you for your very professional replys. It is great that you can provide some education on this subject.

Nancy1999 06-16-2008 05:27 PM
Each breed of dog has a mother club that sets the standard. The "standard" is a list of descriptions that describes the qualities for that particular breed. Once you vary from the standard, one dog breed starts to look like another. In other words, the standard is what makes a yorkie look like a yorkie. The Yorkshire Terrier is not an easy standard to follow, its hair is different than most dogs and is considered hair instead of fur because there is no undercoat. The Yorkie also has a metallic sheen to the coat that is often very difficult to reproduce, and many other qualities that make it rare and special in the dog world. In fact, maybe the "rarest" yorkie is the yorkie that meets standard.

oopsmyhalofello 06-16-2008 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by candybaby (Post 2051745)
Hi everyone I seen this ad Yorkie Stud Service -- Sacramento, CA - provided by The Sacramento Bee in my local paper and was wondering if this color is rare in yorkie's as it states. I'm just curious because I really like that color :)


Thanks for everyone's thoughts :animal-pa
I also love the golden color... along with black/tan, parti's and chocolates :) I would one day love to have a golden girl of my own but there is no way I can have anymore for many years :) I would consider them rare in the true sense of the word. I do not however think that raising the prices because of this is right. I have a chocolate girl and I paid no more for her then I would have a standard color yorkie, and I would buy her all over again if I had to re-do it. I really don't give a hoot what the YTCA says about breeding yorkies that do not fit the standard. IMO there are far more people breeding unhealthy standard color yorkies that should be chastised then the people that I have meet and spoke with regarding chocolates in particular.

Good luck to you in finding a golden baby!

Julz 06-17-2008 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by candybaby (Post 2051798)
Oh wow so Golden yorkies could have problems?

Only blue borns carry additional health risks. Chocolates, goldens and partis (you can ask anyone who owns them) are regular Yorkies with non-standard colored coats. My golden girl is 3 years old and has never had a health issue whatsoever. My chocolate is 17 months old and hasn't had any health issues either.

BamaFan121s 06-17-2008 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Julz (Post 2056350)
My golden girl is 3 years old and has never had a health issue whatsoever.
Awwww....Mercedes...:wub:

Julz 06-18-2008 08:32 AM
...and I'll go ahead and say it....that little standard puppy in my avatar is Mercedes' baby. I stay away from the fact that I have bred her on here because I just love this place. She will only ever produce standard pups as long as she is bred with Cowboy. I sell all of my pups with limited registration (no breeding rights).

Baron 06-18-2008 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2052577)
I'd like to comment on the Genetic portion of this thread.

With the exception of Blue born Yorkies (who more often than not, do have skin, coat and health problems), the Parti, chocolate and golden colored yorkies are no more prone to genetic or health problems than the traditional colored yorkies are. I wish YTCA would accurately note this on their site but instead the information they've written, leads people to assume that ALL off colors could be genetically defective and be more prone to health problems - they are not! The health problems YTCA has noted, are the health problems associated with the blue born yorkies and not the parti's, chocolates, goldens or black and tans.

Put simply - Parti's have a gene that causes spotting, chocolates have a double dose of a gene that dilutes the pigment/coat color, goldens lack a gene that produces the black saddles and black and tan colored yorkies lack a grey dilution gene that causes their coats to turn to the desired steel blue color. All these colors are considered to be "off color" but they are no more prone to health or genetic problems than the standard blue and tan yorkies are.

Unless you actually know people that have these off color dogs and they are healthy and live long lives, I would not state that they are no more prone to health/genetic problems than the standard yorkies. I do know of some that have the gold yorkies and one person had problems with a pup that was gold, although she did survive and is a beautiful little 3 year old today, but the twin to the sick pup just died with out having had any prior indications of being ill. She ended up showing as having an enlarged heart, and from onset to demise was only a little over 24 hours. That is not normal.......... I have seen others although I do not know how long they live, or how old they are. There does not seem to be illness with any of the parti yorkies that I have seen so far, and I have not come across any of the choclate ones. The few blue puppies I have known about died shortly after birth or within a few months. For some reason, the blue do not survive long at all.

Julz 06-18-2008 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Baron (Post 2057236)
Unless you actually know people that have these off color dogs and they are healthy and live long lives, I would not state that they are no more prone to health/genetic problems than the standard yorkies. I do know of some that have the gold yorkies and one person had problems with a pup that was gold, although she did survive and is a beautiful little 3 year old today, but the twin to the sick pup just died with out having had any prior indications of being ill. She ended up showing as having an enlarged heart, and from onset to demise was only a little over 24 hours. That is not normal.......... I have seen others although I do not know how long they live, or how old they are. There does not seem to be illness with any of the parti yorkies that I have seen so far, and I have not come across any of the choclate ones. The few blue puppies I have known about died shortly after birth or within a few months. For some reason, the blue do not survive long at all.

How sad for the loss. We do hear of these losses on YT too frequently with completely standard colored Yorkies also. I know people that breed different breeds and have lost entire litters for no good reason bred from AKC dogs that fit the standard for that breed. I recently sold a Yorkie puppy to someone that has a 5 1/2 year old Chi that has to be put down due to extreme health issues. So very sad for such a young dog:(. So many circumstances must always be considered when/before/ or instead of placing "labels". Typing can be so misinterpreted sometimes, as I am not debating anything here. Only stating what I believe and/or know.:) I stick to my guns about Goldens only carrying as much health risks and issues as the standard colored Yorkies.

nana4u 07-27-2008 06:48 AM
Amen to that all my colored yorkie are very healthly--ask my vet

oopsmyhalofello 07-27-2008 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Baron (Post 2057236)
Unless you actually know people that have these off color dogs and they are healthy and live long lives, I would not state that they are no more prone to health/genetic problems than the standard yorkies. I do know of some that have the gold yorkies and one person had problems with a pup that was gold, although she did survive and is a beautiful little 3 year old today, but the twin to the sick pup just died with out having had any prior indications of being ill. She ended up showing as having an enlarged heart, and from onset to demise was only a little over 24 hours. That is not normal.......... I have seen others although I do not know how long they live, or how old they are. There does not seem to be illness with any of the parti yorkies that I have seen so far, and I have not come across any of the choclate ones. The few blue puppies I have known about died shortly after birth or within a few months. For some reason, the blue do not survive long at all.
I know of my own and many other chocolate yorkies that are perfectly healthy, well bred and thriving. There is always a risk of something like your stating happening but that is true with any coat color so it isn't a true indication that coat color had something to do with it. There is plenty of information on there proving that blue borns are the ONLY ones that have health issues above and beyond those of the standard coat color.


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