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Ashley V 06-14-2008 05:39 AM
difference between a parti and a biewer?
 
Okay this might be a dumb question, but what is the difference between a parti and a biewer? They look the same to me... cute!

bchgirl 06-14-2008 06:02 AM
Partis are yorkies with a color variant....meaning not within the standard set by YTCA. They can be akc registered but not shown. There is no color standard placement for partis.

Biewers orginated in Germany by Werner Biewer in 1983. His pair of yorkies..produced a litter of these colored puppies. He developed the line and the standard. Biewers have tri colored heads (although there are some with 2), a white tummy, white legs, at least a white tip on their tails, there is no standard to the amount of white or black saddles. Their tails are not docked. They are not recognized by AKC and most are registered in Germany. They are shown in rare breed dog shows.

kathy785 06-14-2008 07:51 AM
IMO partis can have just a chest spot and be called a parti, because a Yorshire Terrier should not have any white to meet the standard for Yorkshire Terriers.

The Biewers have a standard and are registered as their own breed. They are able to be shown because of having a standard and registered as their own breed, while the partis would have to show as a Yorkshire Terrier and get DQed from the ring because of the white.

All Biewers should be able to be traced back to the original two Yorkshire Terriers that produced that first Biewer.

I have been told, but have no proof, that the Biewers and the partis can all be traced back to a kennel in England that raised Yorkies as well as other breeds of dogs.

Would love to see the info, but it would probably confuse me.

Ashley V 06-14-2008 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by kathy785 (Post 2049989)
IMO partis can have just a chest spot and be called a parti, because a Yorshire Terrier should not have any white to meet the standard for Yorkshire Terriers.

The Biewers have a standard and are registered as their own breed. They are able to be shown because of having a standard and registered as their own breed, while the partis would have to show as a Yorkshire Terrier and get DQed from the ring because of the white.

All Biewers should be able to be traced back to the original two Yorkshire Terriers that produced that first Biewer.

I have been told, but have no proof, that the Biewers and the partis can all be traced back to a kennel in England that raised Yorkies as well as other breeds of dogs.

Would love to see the info, but it would probably confuse me.
So basically, Chip is a parti because he has a small white patch on his chest?

kathy785 06-14-2008 09:00 AM
Depends on your definition of a parti. Is a parti a yorkie with white? If so then any yorkie with any amount of white (large or small) would be a parti.

shelz 06-14-2008 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by kathy785 (Post 2050082)
Depends on your definition of a parti. Is a parti a yorkie with white? If so then any yorkie with any amount of white (large or small) would be a parti.
To be registered as a parti with AKC, the yorkie must be more than 30% white.

A yorkie w/ a small blaze on their chest could "possibly" be a parti gene carrier, depending on their lineage.

kathy785 06-14-2008 03:57 PM
Interesting, so a white chest spot is acceptable? Are they allowed to show or is it a fault?
2nd thing I have learned today! Better watch out, my old woman brain may explode! Not a pliable as the young brains of school students. LOL

shelz 06-14-2008 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by kathy785 (Post 2050575)
Interesting, so a white chest spot is acceptable? Are they allowed to show or is it a fault?
2nd thing I have learned today! Better watch out, my old woman brain may explode! Not a pliable as the young brains of school students. LOL
I believe they can be shown if the white is no bigger than 1 inch (don't quote me on that).

I was just saying in my earlier post that AKC will not list them as a parti, unless they are 30% or more white.

a2luckygirl 06-14-2008 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Ashley V (Post 2049843)
Okay this might be a dumb question, but what is the difference between a parti and a biewer? They look the same to me... cute!
Thank you for asking- I have wondered the same thing!
and I think they are both cute, also!

Now we know
:)

bchgirl 06-15-2008 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by shelz (Post 2050565)
To be registered as a parti with AKC, the yorkie must be more than 30% white.

A yorkie w/ a small blaze on their chest could "possibly" be a parti gene carrier, depending on their lineage.
Really?? Learn something new every day. How is the coloring substantiated with AKC? Wouldn't that also mean on papers...beside breed it reads parti yorkshire terrier?

JAVAHSMOM 06-15-2008 05:32 AM
OH MY!! GOOD INFO!!:)

shelz 06-15-2008 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2051234)
Really?? Learn something new every day. How is the coloring substantiated with AKC? Wouldn't that also mean on papers...beside breed it reads parti yorkshire terrier?
Partis can be listed as Black and Tan w/ parti colors as their markings.

JaLaYorkieGirl 06-15-2008 08:23 AM
Many yorkies are born with a white spot/marking on their chest/toes. They usually fill in or fill in most of the way with tan. In the yorkie show ring there can be a "small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension."

Many yorkies who have small white spots on their chest have been bred for years together never producing a "parti" colored yorkie, so I find it very doubtful they are carriers.

sierrapups 06-15-2008 01:32 PM
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Many yorkies who have small white spots on their chest have been bred for years together never producing a "parti" colored yorkie, so I find it very doubtful they are carriers.



Is there a general consensus in the Yorkie world as to how the partis acquired so much white in them? 30% white seems like it is quite a bit from a small spot on the chest. Are they attributing it to recessive genes? Just curious as to how it is explained.

Nancy1999 06-15-2008 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by sierrapups (Post 2051705)
Is there a general consensus in the Yorkie world as to how the partis acquired so much white in them? 30% white seems like it is quite a bit from a small spot on the chest. Are they attributing it to recessive genes? Just curious as to how it is explained.


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