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recourse for non-delivery of AKC registration I just purchased two dogs, sight unseen, from somebody I met over internet. They were for showing and future breeding. I checked her out best I could and she seemed clean, but it's always risky, I know. Dogs arrived looking not quite as described, but OK. Papers didn't come and I'm getting run-around, ignored and excuses--too busy, too sick, somebody else has them, etc. These were very very expensive dogs that came from about 2000 miles away from my home. I'd like to hear from people who have had similar experiences and how they were resolved. Also, should this be posted somewhere else? Thank you. Belinda |
Sorry to hear about that! I really don't know anything about purchasing over the internet and such but I know that if you purchase goods with a credit card you can argue charges. I hope everything works out for you and sorry I couldn't be of more help! |
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I'm not experienced but first thing that came to mind was to contact the AKC. The internet is not a good place to buy. For one you do not know really the conditions the parents or pups are living in. I hope it works out for you. Elaine |
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I breed and the papers are ready with the puppies, I dont understand when people say they are waiting for the papers. It doesnt take long to register the litters. I have heard of mess ups with getting them back from AKC but that doesnt sound like the issue here. Im sorry this happened to you. Im not sure what you can do. |
let me ask a different way--- Thank you all for your replies, but I'm interested in knowing what I can do to pressure this breeder into giving me my papers. There's no point discussing how I came to do business with someone I didn't know, etc. She sounded good in email and on the phone, and I didn't find any bad reports on her on internet, etc. These were not puppies that I purchased, they were adults, and one is supposed to be a champion though I sure don't have papers to prove that either. These were expensive dogs! She has impressive quality dogs on her web site and she claims to be showing sone if them. I want to hear from people who have had similar experiences with people making excuses instead of giving them their papers. I want to know where they filed any complaints---BBB, AKC, attorney general, websites that record breeder reviews, etc. For this sum of money it should be a criminal matter! |
file a complaint through AKC, also look in your state for pet lemon laws, you may want to post his or her name on this site to put the pressure on or to get feed back from maybe someone else that has had dealings with this person, also if they have a kennel license you can contact the city/county they live and make a report, better business is also an option. Good luck. |
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I guess I would first threaten that you are going to file reports or possibly file a lawsuit. If she doesnt come through then take whatever actions you can. Do you have a contract from her? Does it state anything about the papers in the contract? |
Can you please post the website?? |
Do you have the Akc reg . numbers or the name of the champion? or pedigree or actual reg. name of each dog? PM if you prefer. |
all will be disclosed tomorrow I have emailed her a final demand and will start reporting her tomorrow. At that time I will post something here disclosing her identity. Thanks everyone. |
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Did you pay through Paypal by any chance? Maybe there's some recourse there if it wasn't that long ago? |
Akc Call the AKC and file a complaint..and most likely they will tell you it is a civil matter...but at least a complaint will be on file for the next buyer. I would write a registered letter asking for papers or a refund..then follow through with a small claims suit...it will be inconvenient, but it is your best recourse...unless she is a YTCA or regional club member...then you can "sic" them on her...that is how I got a refund once...good luck |
Please, people, be more professional-- I have granted this person a time extension before I start going public with her identity but it's going on one extra week and still no papers. Even AKC says those papers should accompany the dogs when they are delivered, but I'll bet they do nothing when I report this. This should be grounds for suspension. Please, everybody who ships dogs, be more businesslike. This is not a funny thing for me. I paid $6500 for two show dogs and am now missing the show entry deadlines because I can't register them. Terrible business person I got involved with--- |
This is one of the main reasons that I recommend everyone register their dogs, if eligible. Many people don't because they say they are not breeding or showing anyway, but so many breeders sell dogs that they claim are AKC eligible, yet when it comes time to receive the paperwork, all these excuses come up. Definitely report them to the AKC, and maybe they can advise you on further action. If their dogs aren't really eligible, this would be fraud, a serious crime. I have a feeling some breeders are using a bait and switch practice with some dogs being eligible, and their "papers" are given to the people who make the most fuss. I definitely would not choose a breeder who sold both ineligible and eligible pups. |
the story gets wilder--- Now she's telling me the dogs are registered to someone other than herself and she's waiting for that party to send her the papers so that she can forward them to me. Doesn't that mean she sold me dogs she didn't own? Isn't that a criminal act of fraud, for which I can file a police report and have her arrested? There are a few kennel names in this drama, some members of this site. All will be exposed if those papers don't show up. What the h... is the matter with people? Belinda |
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AKC will not do anything in getting you the papers and they do state that the papers should come with the dog. Their rules state with selling a dog you MUST give full identifying information with every dog sold even if the papers are not yet available. Perhaps reporting her would result in her loosing AKC rights....if she has them at this time that is. This is simply against their rules!!! I hope you saved all of the emails! I would think that this is more of a civil matter and perhaps only small claims court...although with the amount of money involved it might be able to go further. I don't see why people do this! I hope you get those papers! |
there are other people involved--- [QUOTE=Sugar's Mom;1940444]Sounds like she bought the dogs and turned right around and sold them before she herself got the papers or she is a broker. i wouldn't worry about exposing other kennel names because no matter what is in the pedigree, the deal is between you and the woman that sold them to you and not the other people unless I am missing something here..[/QUOTE From what I've been able to piece together, Breeder X purchased the dogs from breeder Y, then transferred them to breeder Z. Z didn't uphold their end of the deal so X took the dogs back to re-sell to ME, only the papers haven't followed the dogs around and I'm holding the bag--got dogs, no papers. Meanwhile Mrs.W, a breeder friend of X, has contacted me to say what a great person she is and that she'll make good on her agreement to get me those papers. So, I guess Z still technically owns the dogs, and W has jeopardized her good reputation by speaking to me in defense of X, who is looking increasingly like a criminal. I think I'll eventually publish all the names regardless of whether I get my papers. Anybody who does business this way deserves a bad reputation. |
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