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red98vett 04-06-2008 07:33 AM
Let's not forget - if it wasn't for these extremists - FUR WOULD BE STILL POPULAR and we all know how fur coats etc are made. :( :(

Thank God the world (at least our country) is waking up to the torture and cruelty involved in the fur industry and it's BECAUSE of these groups that the word is out there.

Susan123 04-06-2008 08:16 AM
oops not contributation lol, contribution would be correct. I can't believe I made up a word lol

Nancy1999 04-06-2008 09:38 AM
I use to be an avid supporter of Peta, and refused to believe some of the more extreme "rumors" I heard about them. However, with their primary goal of eliminating pet ownership, it doesn't matter how much good they have done in the past. Laws initiated by them would indeed hurt the ethical breeder as much as the puppymiller because they do indeed want ALL breeding stopped. As I suggested in post 6 for those of you who find it hard to believe all the things you've hard about Peta, please watch the HBO documentary: I Am An Animal: The Story of Ingrid Newkirk and PETA . This was not done as a bash piece and does show some of their good work, but most importantly, it allows Ms. Newkirk to speak for herself about her goals. I think some of you need to hear for yourselves what she has to say. I realize many people believe that the end justifies the means, but we must remember her main goal is the elimination of all pets.

Yorkie Mom2 04-06-2008 09:39 AM
I agree
 
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Originally Posted by simonandhallie (Post 1900264)
I have to agree with some of this, I believe breeding should be stopped. And if it weren't for PETA and the HSUS (regardless of their supposed "real" intentions) the public would probably not be aware of all the true injustices. They may be extreme with some of their ideas and actions but they get the message out and people listen.
I agree with some of this. I think there needs to be some legislation to monitor breeding and the ethical treatment of animals. Right now, these are the groups with the power of lobbyists to influence the closing of puppy mills. If closing puppy mills means tighter regulations on all breeders I think it is worth it. That being said, I couldn't do without my babies. I think having pets is a symbiotic relationship that benefits both animals and people.

jrsygal37 04-06-2008 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by red98vett (Post 1901369)
Let's not forget - if it wasn't for these extremists - FUR WOULD BE STILL POPULAR and we all know how fur coats etc are made. :( :(

Thank God the world (at least our country) is waking up to the torture and cruelty involved in the fur industry and it's BECAUSE of these groups that the word is out there.

:thumbup:


Elaine

Yorkie Mom2 04-06-2008 09:49 AM
Me too
 
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1901307)
I think the threads for selling yorkies should be elimated on this board and the featured breeders section. This should be a forum just in my opinion to talk about yorkies and help others learn about the breed and brag about what a wonderful breed this is. This can be a great place for imformation but shouldn't be about selling them :)
Ok throw the book at me LOL...I love what this post was about!
I totally agree with you!!!

Wylie's Mom 04-06-2008 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 1901599)
As I suggested in post 6 for those of you who find it hard to believe all the things you've hard about Peta, please watch the HBO documentary: I Am An Animal: The Story of Ingrid Newkirk and PETA . This was not done as a bash piece and does show some of their good work, but most importantly, it allows Ms. Newkirk to speak for herself about her goals. I think some of you need to hear for yourselves what she has to say. I realize many people believe that the end justifies the means, but we must remember her main goal is the elimination of all pets.
I've actually seen it twice - and I still support PETA for *some* of what they do - as I always have. It didn't change my mind about anything - I just learned more about why Ingrid is the way she is.

BoBoDiddle 04-06-2008 10:52 AM
I think that if selective breeding never existed, animals would be better off. This goes for horses, cows, dogs, cats, etc. Ultimately, I would love for people to get to that point. However, since breeding is here, we owe something to the animals whose 'wild' survival instincts have been bred out of them.

I think some of us need to be reminded that animals are not here for our entertainment.

Ladyhawk 04-06-2008 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BoBoDiddle (Post 1901712)
I think that if selective breeding never existed, animals would be better off. This goes for horses, cows, dogs, cats, etc. Ultimately, I would love for people to get to that point. However, since breeding is here, we owe something to the animals whose 'wild' survival instincts have been bred out of them.

I think some of us need to be reminded that animals are not here for our entertainment.
So why would you say that they are here? Are they not here to provide us with food? Are they not here to remind us of how magnificent our Creator is in the variation and wonder of His creations? Are they not here to help us and in return enjoy our protection and affection? Having a pet is an honor and responsiblity that should not be taken lightly but God forbid it should be taken away! Selective breeding has given us beautiful animals that are of the size and temperment to fit our individual tastes and lifestyles. It should always be done with the animals welfare in mind working to create a healthy, happy breed. I disagree that animals would be better off without selective breeding, nature would and in the wild does cause selective breeding by survival of the fittest. It is a harsh cruel world out there and pets bring beauty and love into it.

MyFairLacy 04-06-2008 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Susan123 (Post 1901149)
About the post wanting to stop breeding: I believe YT is able to contribute to less breeding by removing the Featured Breeders, Yorkies for Sale, and even the Nursery sections (and one can go so far as saying the Breeders forum, I'm sure you will). New people sign on to YT just to sell puppies (posting for sale threads with 5 posts etc..). Irresponsible breeders probably do more breeding than normal believing that they'll sell on YT. Anyone can pay money to be a Featured Breeder. I think it might bite into new membership but not by much, which will be good if it's only people looking to sell puppies. It's an outlet to irresponsible breeders period and buyer's have a false sense of security. YT is a big forum and influential to the breed. YT obviously contributes to the Yorkie community wonderful information by caring people, but the contributation to overpopulation should be thought about. JMO.
I agree with this completely. I'm a member of a maltese forum that does not allow the sell of animals on there. And I'm a member of another forum that doesn't even allow you to mention your kennel or another breeder at all..no form of advertising or talking about breeders is allowed at all. I don't like that YT has puppy sales on here at all. For one thing, it gives many buyers a false sense of security...

And YT doesn't make any money from the regular for sale section. While you have to donate to be a featured breeder or to sell clothing and such, you don't have to donate (or even have posted before) to place a for-sale ad. I just don't see the point in having puppy for-sale sections...

gardenyorkies 04-06-2008 11:58 AM
I'm sorry but there is no way I can support an organization, PETA (or any like org.) that use the extreme measures they use to get a point across...

There have been many other organizations and clans that have also used extreme measures to get their point accross and I don't think many of you would support those organizations either...

PETA kills animals ...PERIOD...Would you give your pet up to them?...I know some of you support some of what they do but if you can't stand behind all the extreme measures they take then please do not support them...

Yes, there are too many dogs, cats, etc in shelters today...I am a firm believer that if every breeder would rehome pets that came from their breedings there would be no need for shelters..

Stopping all breeding means the extinction of all dog breeds or public nusiance of stray, wild dogs in communities...HMmmm I don't see anything better about that!

~Laura

MyFairLacy 04-06-2008 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1901307)
I think the threads for selling yorkies should be elimated on this board and the featured breeders section. This should be a forum just in my opinion to talk about yorkies and help others learn about the breed and brag about what a wonderful breed this is. This can be a great place for imformation but shouldn't be about selling them :)
Ok throw the book at me LOL...I love what this post was about!
well then throw a book at me too LOL because I've wanted to see the for sale forums go for a long time...

BLEU BOY BARBER 04-06-2008 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by simonandhallie (Post 1900264)
I have to agree with some of this, I believe breeding should be stopped. And if it weren't for PETA and the HSUS (regardless of their supposed "real" intentions) the public would probably not be aware of all the true injustices. They may be extreme with some of their ideas and actions but they get the message out and people listen.
I do not believe breeding should be stopped. I DO BELIEVE IF YOU ARE BREEDING TO BETTER THE BREED AND ARE PLACING IN REPUATABLE CHECKED OUT HOMES ALL SHOULD BE WELL. IF BREEDING WAS STOPPED WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE THE BABIES WE HAVE NOW!

IM THANKFUL FOR TRUE EDUCATED SHOW BREEDERS THAT BREED TO BETTER THE BREED!:thumbup:

KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK AND THANK YOU FOR ELIMINATING ANYTHING IN YOUR LINES THAT WOULD CAUSE BIRTH DEFECTS LATER ON I COMMEND YOU FOR STARTING YOUR BREEDING PRACTICES ALL OVER AGAIN AND I ALSO COMMEND YOU FOR HAVING A HEALTH GUARANTEE FOR LONGER THAN A YEAR! JUST MY 2 CENTS!

MyFairLacy 04-06-2008 12:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 1901599)
I use to be an avid supporter of Peta, and refused to believe some of the more extreme "rumors" I heard about them. However, with their primary goal of eliminating pet ownership, it doesn't matter how much good they have done in the past. Laws initiated by them would indeed hurt the ethical breeder as much as the puppymiller because they do indeed want ALL breeding stopped. As I suggested in post 6 for those of you who find it hard to believe all the things you've hard about Peta, please watch the HBO documentary: I Am An Animal: The Story of Ingrid Newkirk and PETA . This was not done as a bash piece and does show some of their good work, but most importantly, it allows Ms. Newkirk to speak for herself about her goals. I think some of you need to hear for yourselves what she has to say. I realize many people believe that the end justifies the means, but we must remember her main goal is the elimination of all pets.

:thumbup: I've always said that PETA has done some great things as well, but I believe their intentions are really for the wrong reasons. They don't want to stop suffering of animals...in their own way they want to continue it. They want to eliminate our pets completely. I can't support an organization that wants to take my babies away from me

BLEU BOY BARBER 04-06-2008 12:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1901307)
I think the threads for selling yorkies should be elimated on this board and the featured breeders section. This should be a forum just in my opinion to talk about yorkies and help others learn about the breed and brag about what a wonderful breed this is. This can be a great place for imformation but shouldn't be about selling them :)
Ok throw the book at me LOL...I love what this post was about!
I AGREE 100%


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